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No, he is enthusing a tiny self selecting electorate. It is a huge mistake to map that to the other 98% of the population. So the others are drawing in hundreds of people day after day, and then having to speak separately to all those who can't get into the halls? Right. We'll take your word for it...

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yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Cathy Newman ‏@cathynewman 1m1 minute ago
Next on #c4news: @CarolineFlintMP on why she and @Corbyn4Leader could be a "dream ticket"...

Hadn't seen that coming.

It is quite a smart move....don't want her particularly but makes a change from the frothing we see from elsewhere

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yahyah wrote:Margaret Beckett...have I missed something ?

Latest crackpot idea.....fortunately, it is only the intelligence vacuum Mensch who has said anything at the moment though

Looking for a has-been to join the ABC bandwagon!

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NATO is arguably as important now as it was in the Cold War. Any Labour Party arguing to leave it would only get my vote if I believed they couldn't win the election outright. Has the party policy changed....Corbyn is not a fan of NATO and to be honest neither am I, ever since it became an extensio...

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At least such proposals would be aired Hugo. At the moment they are left to the fringe parties. I'm beginning to understand the arguments of some who in the past I've seen as unrealistic. There comes a point where the same old no longer works. What was New Labour is old hat. Sometimes change is ver...

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Thank you How Silly. You have put it so much better than I ever could. It seems this is where I have the disagreement with Tubby, TE and Hugo - they assume that Corbyn cannot win in 2020 and the others can. I am of the opinion that Labour will only win in 2020 by causing a major disruption and Corb...

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@ SpinningHugo The world (and NATO) are somewhat different now, though. NATO is arguably as important now as it was in the Cold War. Any Labour Party arguing to leave it would only get my vote if I believed they couldn't win the election outright. Has the party policy changed....Corbyn is not a fan...

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We hear a lot about 'The Spirit of 45' but I'd never read the 1945 Labour manifesto. Have cherry picked but the full document, 'Let Us Face the Future: A Declaration of Labour Policy for the Consideration of the Nation' can be found here http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/man/lab45.htm ''In t...

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So it appears I am 'extreme left' to agree with McDonnell. Much better then to let the thieving barstewards get away with it ? No way of trying to make them think twice ? Problem is that the whole premise is utter bollocks. When it is sold by HM Government it is sold. A new government can't turn up...

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come on folks...play nice

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I'm not sure how the Americans would react to a future PM accusing them implicitly of deception like that. Doesn't mean it's not true of course or that it wouldn't do Labour good to say it. But I wonder if he's taking the view that his best service can be to get this out of the way and allow a succ...

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Howsillyofme I too think Blair has behaved shabbily since he left office. Why you think this helps your case that Corbyn is not so bad mystifies me. Yes, they have both shown very poor judgment. This isn't a game where your dissing my guy somehow makes up for me dissing yours. I have given my reaso...

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The Labour leadership frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn is to issue a public apology over the Iraq war on behalf of the party if he becomes leader next month, a move Tony Blair repeatedly resisted. In a statement to the Guardian, Corbyn said he would apologise to the British people for the “deception” in t...

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Blair and criminality. The UK state violated public international law when we invaded Iraq. I thought so then and am sure now. At the time I felt ambiguous about the Iraq War, Saddam was not good for his country. But, the illegality was decisive. I marched against and in 2005 voted against the Labo...

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Anyway time to breathe now and stop ranting Just want to say also I have huge respect for TE and Tubby. I disagree with them on this, and it is a key thing, but it is just a different way to try to get to the same place I hope whatever happens we do see a more enthused and positive opposition to the...

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I don't believe I am: A) Calling anybody stupid and B) Taking out my frustrations on anybody. When I point out how utterly hopeless Temulkars argument was against Tubby's original point. I can see the PMQs now. Corbyn - I think it is outrageous the PM is doing xxxxx. Cameron - I won't take lessons ...

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Larry Elliott puts it quite well. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-tory-economy-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I think "big picture" analysis is putting it a bit kindly. It looks incredibly thin. Where for ins...

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Corbyn is not to blame for any of that....if you, TE and Hugo want to take out your frustration then blame those who did that rather than the rest of us who are fed up of being taken for granted and no longer want to accept the political status quo where we have 3 'main' English parties spouting th...

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LOL Yeah thats right, because all the scots who left Labour because they had become 'Red Tories' would have stayed with them had they had a more right wing platform. That is truly cognative dissonance of the most ludicrous. The SNP got where they are because Labour completely ignored their traditio...

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There were. But he got his knighthood, and was a very active fundraiser. And he didn't accuse Jews of carrying out 9/11. No he didn't make a stupid and ignorant comment regarding 9/11 but he abused hundreds of children, pretty much the worst that there has ever been.....go figure which is the worst...

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Larry Elliott puts it quite well. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-tory-economy-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; As soon as the new leader is announced, the Conservatives will unleash political blitzkrieg, an attempt to d...

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So Jimmy Savile 20 odd years ago, when he was known primarily for raising millions for charity. And two heads of government, unless I'm mistaken. Meeting them tends to come with the job of being head of government. Do better. Do Better? I dont need to, you are the one trying to smear by assosciatio...

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@Tubby Isaacs I'm sorry to disagree, Tubby, regarding Savile, but rumours abounded even then. Personally I always found him a bit creepy, not that I knew or even met him you understand. There were. But he got his knighthood, and was a very active fundraiser. And he didn't accuse Jews of carrying ou...

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Sadly,it looks likely that I have lost my bet with my classmates that I would be PM before I was 55.On the bright side I have completely lost contact with all of them.Even more sad though I was serious.In my defence I got diverted by ...reality. Dunno, get posting furiously on here and you might ma...

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Sadly,it looks likely that I have lost my bet with my classmates that I would be PM before I was 55.On the bright side I have completely lost contact with all of them.Even more sad though I was serious.In my defence I got diverted by ...reality. Shame you would be much better than the current incum...

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Gordon Brown made a very good speech. However, would Jeremy Corbyn winning, and then back-pedalling a bit, be more likely to achieve his (GB's) ambitions than any of the other candidates? I'm thinking he would be. After all, he's less likely to upset people in the PLP by tacking "right" (...

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Gordon Brown made a very good speech. However, would Jeremy Corbyn winning, and then back-pedalling a bit, be more likely to achieve his (GB's) ambitions than any of the other candidates? I'm thinking he would be. After all, he's less likely to upset people in the PLP by tacking "right" (...

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I claim ownership of "mad bastard" I have been called it for many a long year and consistently,along with "as weird as a nine bob note" which shows my vintage.Any usage outwith specific reference to myself may very well result in recourse to legal action.You have been warned. Lo...

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Picking up the tv in another room there was one of those appalling property programmes on In it we have some one working in a fairly low paid with a daughter out of work who is moving from Surrey to Yorkshire and has a budget of £375000 for a property This is what makes my blood boil a bit - you ca...

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I think we all need to be mindful of other people's feelings when posting. Please be aware that it is harder to get across meaning in the written word than spoken. As much as possible we should avoid pejorative language, including using "mad bastards" to describe sets of supporters. Indee...

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tom bradby ‏@tombradby 5m5 minutes ago Just watched an elderly man commit suicide in Greece by driving his car off the harbour wall in Rafina. tom bradby ‏@tombradby 4m4 minutes ago Dived in, tried to help, couldn't get him out. Completely shocking. This has really got to me. This shows it is not a...

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I find it interesting to have Kubler-Ross curve discussed here as I am on a change management course tomorrow I know people turn off when 'change management' is discussed but some of it is very interesting and makes sense. It is just companies and elsewhere are very bad at doing it as changing thing...

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Brown says we are grieving, our hearts are broken but one thing worse is powerlessness. I'm not grieving. I still have the emotions of the time. Angry and disgusted. Anger's said to be one of the stages of grieving. Kubler-Ross' model has: denial & isolation, anger, bargaining, depression and a...

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Picking up the tv in another room there was one of those appalling property programmes on In it we have some one working in a fairly low paid with a daughter out of work who is moving from Surrey to Yorkshire and has a budget of £375000 for a property This is what makes my blood boil a bit - you can...

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the way certain people were only too eager to undermine the leader and the election campaign suggests a loss was on their minds. Who? Names? Are you going to claim (along with AK) that Kendall's interview in House magazine saying that she favours an NHS structure that works best was fatal to Labour...

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That does not deny therefore there are a bunch of people on the wing of the party who were secretly pleased at the loss, who undermined Miliband and thought they were going to rule the future. I don't accept that no. Nobody was more critical of Miliband than me. Nobody. I thought and think he was h...

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Oh, and Burnham was a vice Chair of the evil Blairite Progress, and Jarvis currently is. I am well aware of that, you know - so is maybe my favourite prominent Labour MP Stella Creasy. My own MP is in it too, by no means everybody involved with them is a bad 'un (I also opposed the nonsense about p...

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Oh, and Burnham was a vice Chair of the evil Blairite Progress, and Jarvis currently is. So? Who said it was evil? I am sure there is a wide diversity of opinion just like in any organisation It is, however, an organisation that tries to influence the party as a whole in a particular direction whic...

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In the hours and days after the GE, the Miliband-bashers in Labour genuinely thought they had "their" party back. That godawful Progress rally in mid-May had an atmosphere little short of a lunatic asylum. Liz Kendall was treated like a rock star, Andy Burnham was booed for his "trea...

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The only candidate I have received any literature from by post (rather than email) is Burnham. Perhaps there is a whole tranche waiting to be delivered. If not - I am left wondering whether they are only bothering to mail stuff out to areas they have visited. Burnham is the only one who has come th...

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We have Mr Riots' grand daughter and great grand daughter staying at the moment. Grand daughter - 28 years old and bringing up her 6 year old daughter on her own - works for a very well known insurance firm. Except she doesn't really - she now works for Capita - who work for this well known insuran...

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TobyLatimer wrote:Would it be out of order to invoke Mrs Merton at this point ?

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Can you imagine what we'd say if Cameron had donated to a campaign run by a high profile anti-semite. What would we say? What would we say if this were not a one off? What if he had had tea in the Commons with a man who said that Muslims use the blood of non-believers in rituals? What would we say ...

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I am a simple soul and I find some of the trawling through old comments and speeches made by the candidates a bit wearing to be honest Firstly time moves on and the challenges we saw in times past have been forgotten. We are facing different threats and different 'enemies' to the 1980s but still pe...

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I am a simple soul and I find some of the trawling through old comments and speeches made by the candidates a bit wearing to be honest Firstly time moves on and the challenges we saw in times past have been forgotten. We are facing different threats and different 'enemies' to the 1980s but still peo...

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Some of the abuse about Kendall on social media has been nasty. Just because they don't agree with her some have called her a c***. She is entitled to her views, and under the democracy of the Labour party she is entitled to stand for leader. Yes it has.....and it should be in now way condoned. Any...

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Good morning This person is getting a bit ridiculous now.....does she say nothing at all about policy? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/15/liz-kendall-labour-supporters-should-be-called-out-over-vitriolic-online-abuse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Of course no...

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Good morning This person is getting a bit ridiculous now.....does she say nothing at all about policy? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/15/liz-kendall-labour-supporters-should-be-called-out-over-vitriolic-online-abuse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Of course no-...

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Temulkar wrote:Anyone awake with access to The Times? Apparantly there is a review of The Last Roundhead, Im just deciding whether to buy a subscription, which I will never use, or wait till 7am for the Newsagents to open.

Looking forward to reading it

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To be fair to Corbyn, it's clear that he's read a fair bit on the subject and ignored his brother (who is an egregious climate change denier). I wasn't aware of this till he mentioned it. the Committee on Climate Change found that a virtually carbon free power sector by 2030 would cost consumers £2...

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