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tinyclanger2

We might be a bit crap, but we still don't deserve Cameron.

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True. But it's very popular.

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The provocative move came as a Mail on Sunday poll showed big support in England for Mr Cameron’s home rule measures . http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2763710/Don-t-sell-England-Cameron-warns-Miliband-Labour-accuse-PM-s-plan-block-Scottish-MPs-Tory-trap.html#ixzz3DtYNC5lR" onclick=&quo...

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Given their joint constitutional venture before referendum day, did Cameron ring him on Friday morning and share his relief at the result? "No," says Miliband. Should he have done? He doesn't answer directly. "I don't care really. Nothing he does on this kind of thing surprises me. T...

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pompous dancing - I like it.

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sorry that (above) sounds a bit pompous - such a tone not intended!

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As I say, genuine question. If there are good reasons why tackling the orchestrated anti-Miliband campaign BTL will help, I'll happily reconsider my views . It needs to be fought by Labour reframing the political dialogue, by it expanding the ways that it communicates, by understanding that differe...

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It does look as though - in addition to some sensible folk going AWOL - there is an orchestrated BTL campaign to just trash Labour in a tone akin to the moronic end of the yesser spectrum. It will need to be fought.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09 ... 54138.html

WTF?

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... croft-poll

74% of yes voters "disaffected with Westminster politics". And still Cameron continues as normal and the Scots buy into Ed being the root of all evil.

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hence my pessimism at the moment I think it's an age-old problem. Idealists, motivated by a desire to make things better, tend to split into smaller and smaller groups as they fail to agree on every point or definition. This inevitably makes them less able to fight those motivated only by money and...

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"I will ensure that as a promise keeper these promises that have been made will be upheld."

Gord in the Guard
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... mon-future

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Cameron is related to Harry Mount, Boris Johnson and Brenda (and indeed by some circuitous path to Samantha if I recall correctly). The aristos' time is up. (We can keep the royals for tourism, but they don't get to ask for the odd extra 60 million quid to feed the corgis).

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RS - I like it. I kind of knowledge exchange approach to politics. I'm in.

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Are there any attack dogs left who aren't bloody Blairites?

As someone mentioned earlier - we need real people in politics. The Oxbridge footsoldiers for the ruling elite simply cannot effectively represent this country alone - even if they sincerely mean to.

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It seems to me that Labour is the only party currently attempting to get on with it in good faith. Indeed, which is why we need to bring in some honest thugs who can drive a tractor through said steaming bag of shite. Honour and intellect are necessary to provide the right solutions to the actual p...

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Apologies for gratuitous dancing smiley. I have always liked it and couldn't resist.

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But it CAN be done - it's happened here, Recent, like.

Indeed. Thank you Scotland. So let's do it (but not in any Andy Murray type way)

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So why are those same Scottish Yes voters now accepting the spin of the MSM so readily? They know they lie, yet now they are eagerly & obediently lapping it up. Because a) people aren't rational b) these particular people are angry and c) since the Guardian first started publicly hating and bul...

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Thoughts on this?

Totally agree. Is this something that the Hannah Mitchell foundation (or whatever it is) is working on?

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Cameron and the media are only following their nature, what really pisses me off is people who should have more sense buying the media line so completely. I share your frustration with the MSM - but then so do the Scottish Yes voters and yet still they had an immensely successful grassroots campaig...

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https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/pipe/ ... or-change/

Ed in Manchester this morning. He must be knackered by now.

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My deepest concern is that Cameron will use this whole business to entrench his political position - which is not good for England, Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland. And as you say, if the Tories get into office again I don't think I could survive it either. Agreed. Indeed none of us will, sinc...

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One thing. We now know Cameron has literally no soul - so no amount of appealing to it will have any useful role to play moving forward. Labour - no matter how hard they find this to understand - must accept this fact and act accordingly.

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frightful_oik wrote:I think he's going to smack DC if he tries to duck out of his responsibilities.

excellent

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frightful_oik wrote:Gordon Brown speaking on BBC News now.

Can't get it right now - what's his message?

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Clearly the effing Tories haven't had sufficient a kicking and require a concerted campaign to do just that. There's some Scottish guy - bit dodgy but adds the ruthlessness Miliband lacks - who might be free ...

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-referendum-results-crossparty-consensus-collapses-amid-torylabour-spat-on-the-english-question-9745125.html It's very disturbing how little interest is paid (by both Salmond and Tories according to this piece) to actually solving the problem. I...

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Although politicians from all sides have recognised there is a real issue, the general consensus has been that – as Labour’s ex-lord chancellor Lord Irvine once pithily remarked – the best answer to the West Lothian question is to stop asking it. http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/latest/sco...

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WARNING MAIL http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2763018/Mutiny-threat-Miliband-fights-MPs-powers-England-Labour-leader-sparks-backlash-refusing-support-plans-limit-rights-Scottish-MPs.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Labour sources said Mr Miliband was ‘wary’ of any plan t...

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Except for very specific cases am no fan of nationalism and have had more than the occasional run-in with a nat BTL. But I have to say that the Scots have done the UK a great service by raising the issue of democratic deficit, and successfully articulating a frustration with the elite-run status quo...

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Hopefully the basterd Tories will just tear themselves apart. That would be ideal. Time for Ed and Gordon - the two most reviled politicians we've ever had - to change the political dialogue once and for all.

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frightful_oik wrote:Now the BBC is leading the news with 'David Cameron has welcomed the result...'. What, like it's some sort of vote of confidence in him? I hate the BBC.

I'm confident I hate the BBC more. And there was a time when they/it made me positively gleam with pride.

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As usual, Cameron took his eye off the ball, then went into crisis mode they winged it. He needs to stop doing that. But the biggest loser is not Salmond but Milliband.. to be less popular in Scotland than a Tory Eton toff overseeing austerity takes some doing.

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Spacedone wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:UK keeps 40 Scottish MPs. That's got to be terrible news for Ed Miliband.
Watch now as the Tories try and engine a way to ensure that those 40 MPs don't get to vote.

Indeed.

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I meant 40 Scottish Labour MPs but am a bit below par

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UK keeps 40 Scottish MPs. That's got to be terrible news for Ed Miliband.

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c. 71 % of votes --> 54.3% no to date

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the BBC really are a disappointment these days to be sure

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with maybe a third of votes so far

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you're doing a sterling job here Lady C!

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49.1 yes

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Expected "comfortable win" in Dundee will be bad news for EM - (Guardian) if that helps

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/18/labour-english-power-local-government definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development. Except the guy making it is a tosser. Most people really aren't that bothered by the West Lothian question. You can't restrict voting rights of Scottish M...

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tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... government

definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.

and this

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... e20680667/

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First (?) dramatic moments of tonight's count: Will the plane ferrying ballot boxes around the Western Isles be able to land at Stornoway – or anywhere else, for that matter? Fog may or may not clear... Ballot boxes in the Western Isles Posted at 23:34 The plane has landed in Benbecula. If the skie...

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... government

definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102014318 "no vote could lead to unpleasant scenes" whereas of course yes vote would lead to utopian dream. As any sane person predicted - the quest for division has ended with division, whichever way the coin falls.

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Apparently Farage describing the Referendum as a farce from start to finish. crikey. Good old Nigel, always wrong. The one thing this has not been is a farce. It has been a well run referendum on a hugely emotive issue. The Scottish electoral people are top drawer. And of course the epitome of farc...

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Eric_WLothian wrote:
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Eric_WLothian wrote:

Thanks.

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