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The irony of Chris Williamson, that barnstorming defender of anti-semitism, finally saying something I agree with https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/chris-williamson-quits-labour-frontbench-after-double-council-tax-call" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and being...

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Looks like one of the reasons for the rehuffle was to enable this revolting rightwing policy

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V good on fiscal transfers

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Jeremy Corbyn WILL let trains sell the Daily Mail once he renationalises the railways, his official spokesman declared today. The Labour leader refused to take the same view as Virgin Trains, which has sparked a furious debate after withdrawing the right-wing newspaper from sale. Instead his team b...

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May's just shouted, ' And which government started bringing the private sector into health? ' at Corbyn The internal market was introduced into the NHS by Thatcher's government The internal market is quite different from the involvement of the private sector. The private sector has always been invo...

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Devestating on rail policy. Some actual facts and analysis. http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/01/10/welfare-for-the-rich-the-truth-about-rail-nationalisation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Ah yes, James Ball - one of the loudest voices in the "means test...

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Devestating on rail policy. Some actual facts and analysis.

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It is really a question of whether someone is prepared to spend political capital for a cause or not. Miliband by joining fores with Cameron and Clegg expended some of Labour's political capital in defence of the Union. This, without doubt, damaged Labour in the 2015 election north of the border as...

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Cameron was hopeless and had burned all his bridges for his own personal gain. Come the day, possible allies across the continent, including Labour, were simply unable to stand with him, because, in simple terms, he had shafted them all in the past. It really, really was Cameron's fault from start ...

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Corbyn refused https://labourlist.org/2016/03/corbyn-refuses-to-share-a-platform-with-cameron-on-the-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and it wasn't just Cameron he wouldn't be seen alongside https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-refused-to-share-eu-platform-with-blai...

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I'm still not sure there won't be a conversion to Freedom of Movement, but I'm not encouraged. I think Corbyn had to find some way out of the SNP-led talks because the Tories would make hay with it, but it wasn't really a good enough excuse. And to repeat, it's not all on Corbyn's head, there are l...

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citizenJA wrote:It's in Labour's Manifesto

Which took it from the 6 points, which took it from Davis. It is just game playing, not to be taken seriously (unless Labour policy were to stay in the EU: which it isn't.)

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As for the ridiculous six tests, number 2 is Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union? As that is only possible by remaining within the Single Market and Customs Union you might think that was Labour's policy. But it isn't. it ...

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I'm still not sure there won't be a conversion to Freedom of Movement, but I'm not encouraged. I think Corbyn had to find some way out of the SNP-led talks because the Tories would make hay with it, but it wasn't really a good enough excuse. And to repeat, it's not all on Corbyn's head, there are l...

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As for the ridiculous six tests, number 2 is Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union? As that is only possible by remaining within the Single Market and Customs Union you might think that was Labour's policy. But it isn't. it i...

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I think Labour's leadership are being, of all things, quite like Blair over Iraq - they've made a face and the wind changed. They've decided this is the principle and that's it, everything must follow from there. That's not my reading at all. Both Corbyn and McDonnell have said quite clearly they w...

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1. There is not going to be an election before Brexit takes place. So saying "what we need is a Labour government" is, politely, unhelpful. 2. The only way for Labour to oppose "Tory Brexit" with any chance of an impact was to try and build bridges with moderate Tories and seek t...

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Phil BC Retweeted paul ewart ‏ @paulewart23 6h6 hours ago More paul ewart Retweeted Simon A point I've long made. The EU literature is inconsistent on this sliding between member status and associate status when referring to Norway, Iceland etc.paul ewart added, Simon @simonk_133 Corbyn getting lau...

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Shame that Chuka's theatrical - and very obviously pre-planned - flounce last night got overshadowed by other things eh ;) Chuka is one of those who voted to trigger art 50 without conditions. We should never, ever, let him be forgiven for that. His attempts after that to portray himself as a passi...

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I do wonder about moving abroad https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/950451733880299520#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I do know that all other coutries have their problems (I like Australia for example, but it has a worse problem with race than the UK IMO for example), b...

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Tell me if I;m missing something but what exactly has Damian Hinds done for a living outside politics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Hinds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Elected as an MP at the age of 40...but done what exactly before? Pubs https://www.damianhinds.c...

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Andrea Leadsom stays as leader of the house.

WITHOUT CHECKING who is shadow leader?

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I do wonder about moving abroad https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/950451733880299520#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I do know that all other coutries have their problems (I like Australia for example, but it has a worse problem with race than the UK IMO for example), bu...

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Hinds, by contrast, went to a grammar school, like many other previous Education secretaries.

WHat is amazing is that it is EASY to construct better cabinets and shadow cabinets from those on the backbenches. I don't think that has ever been true before.

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Fairly astonishingly, Greening was the first education secretary (including Labour) ever to go to a Comp. This reshuffle is hopeless. May is just dreadful at politics. Easily, by a mile, the worst cabinet and shadow cabinet since ww2. Could we just focus on the cabinet for today? Just for once, per...

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Fairly astonishingly, Greening was the first education secretary (including Labour) ever to go to a Comp.

This reshuffle is hopeless. May is just dreadful at politics. Easily, by a mile, the worst cabinet and shadow cabinet since ww2.

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A good take on Toby Young, who should never have been appointed

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Liberalism isn't just freedom it's equality too.

I'd have thought universal healthcare and education would be key to a successful liberal society. We ensure everyone has the best chance in life then give them the freedom to do what they want.

The short answer is "no it isn't".

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Not having everything run according to classical liberal shibboleths is not actually "ignoring liberalism". And how is saying that one of the main arguments against the NHS is that it is illiberal the same as claiming that "everything run according to classical liberal shibboleths&qu...

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Liberalism has its place. But if you support a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST party, then by definition it isn't the answer to *everything*. I'd suggest that the 20th century should teach you that the forms of socialism that ignored liberalism weren't very attractive. So "screw liberalism" and &quo...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Btw my response to "the NHS is illiberal" is - "even if it is, so what?"

Yeah.

Screw liberalism.

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Put another way, if you wanted to maintain the same level of basic provision for all as we now havem whilst introducing more choice, it would take more resources to increase provision (which you pay for from the contributions of those wanting more). Which is why the UK system is relatively cheap whe...

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The NHS is ' illiberal '? Yes of course. Good. Effective national healthcare provision requires it. Which is the politicial choice. If you want it cheap, make it illiberal. If you want more choice, it will cost. See (if you want an analogy) the difference between Lidl and Sainsbury's. If you're tim...

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2. As it is government funded, there is no guarantee it will be properly funded, and now it isn't. Some will answer "elect Labour then" but even if (which I doubt) we see a majority Labour government in power within the next decade, it wont be in power in perpetuity, or indeed looking at ...

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citizenJA wrote:The NHS is 'illiberal'?

Yes of course.

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There are upsides and downsides to all systems. A centralised single payer system like the NHS has the advantage of coverage and being cheap to deliver. It has two big downsides though 1. It is illiberal. That wasn't so much of a problem in 1945, I think it is now, and will increasingly become one. ...

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Fun, accessible reflection on different healthcare systems. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/18/upshot/best-health-care-system-country-bracket.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I don't think the UK's is the best either, but the costs of transition are too high ...

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Tatchell's stance on these things is well known, and yes he is consistent. Its easier when you are a pundit rather than politician, of course. Is he still a member of the Greens? Same party as you, then ;) Corbyn's position is also consistent, and hasn't altered whatsoever with being leader. We kno...

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Well known right-winger Peter Tatchell has a moral compass I think

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These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft". Fine to kill them then, eh? That is only worthy of ignoring. You can do better. It s indeed utterly ridiculous not to just state the killing of innocents is u...

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frog222 wrote:Thanks for that long one HSOM1 !

A senior politician doing their homework is good to see . Also a party 'leader' allowing someone else to do their job of shadowing the government.

Corbyn is in Mexico.

Seumas' isn't.

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The reason there is a difficulty knowing what exactly the protesters in Iran want is because any organisers are immediately arrested, usually never to be seen again. So, it has to be decentralised.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft".

Fine to kill them then, eh?

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Leadership bid starts early http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/emily-thornberry-says-labour-cannot-back-iran-protesters-because-its-unclear-who-has-white-hats_uk_5a4fb78ce4b089e14dba9911/?__twitter_impression=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Other parties can be vo...

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HindleA wrote:http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/co ... -403416110

Peter Oborne. You should know better.

I'm not sure I like a binary choice between apologists for Saudi Arabia, of a party led by an Iranian state TV presenter.

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Leadership bid starts early http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/emily-thornberry-says-labour-cannot-back-iran-protesters-because-its-unclear-who-has-white-hats_uk_5a4fb78ce4b089e14dba9911/?__twitter_impression=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Other parties can be vot...

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CPS clarifying that Starmer didn't personally take the decisions on Worboys (which is very slow of them, what have they been doing sine this story broke?)

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Julie Bindel, righteously furious
She is a horrible TERF.

I disagree with Bindel about most things, but I think she must be right that Worboys shouldn't be being released, and we need to analyse why.

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Hugo insinuated that Starter would be at fault if he took IPP into consideration when making a decision to prosecute when now they have been abolished o I don't usually bother, but that isn't right. IPP was abolished prospectively by Kenneth Clarke in 2012. It applied to Worboys, and still does to ...

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