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I wrote a blog post about Worboys if interested

https://spinninghugo.wordpress.com/2018 ... hy-punish/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:The Probation Service, not a private provider, will be overseeing Worboys. Grayling made sure the useless inefficient public sector was stuck with the most serious offenders.

Work that one out.

Quite. Only the public sector could be trusted with the serious ones. Grayling was just a vandal.

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Burgon is a populist lightweight. If the details of probation decisions need to be made public, that'll have newspapers stirring shit a hundred times a week. The parole board will just get far so cautious that the prison population rockets. Not to mention that it's personal to the offender, and I c...

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:

The system shouldn't be changed. The point of the reasons being private is that it helps the offender address them and go straight after release.

Does that apply where the decision is to release? I'm minded to accept the parole board chair's view, but am open to persuasion.

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Julie Bindel, righteously furious https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/05/john-worboys-women-serial-sex-attacker-released" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; She states, but without any links, that the Starmer decision was a "not in the public interest" o...

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To be fair to Burgon, he is now saying on twitter that we need disclosure of parole board reasons https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I used to work in this area, albeit in 1999. There were reasons to refuse, not reasons to accept. Plus this is...

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I know he is the wrong person to say it, but this is good

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ton ... 40286.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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To be fair to Burgon, he is now saying on twitter that we need disclosure of parole board reasons

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Further important background info

https://rightsinfo.org/appeal-black-cab ... ffects-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I confess I'd forgotten this was the same case.

Maybe there was lack of evidence because the Met cocked up?

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]It is also a sign of the times that the relevant questions are being asked by Yvette Cooper, and not by any of Labour's crack frontbench justice team.[ An exceptionally lame "point". Even from you ;) Why so? Because it would be normal - or at least far from unknown - for somebody in Coop...

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If people are more comfortable with something anti-Tory, the major problem with someone like Worboys is the probation service. The cuts under Grayling mean that it is badly damaged. there will, eventually, be a serious scandal as a result.

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Two things I can't find any more up to date figures but the most recent ones, from earlier in the decade, suggest that the average sentence for rape is 8 years. That would suggest that the average time served is less, obviously, and would suggest that if Worboys had been sentenced without IPP he ma...

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Statement from the parole board (who are not, I promise, a bunch of sofites)

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/paro ... hn-worboys" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:It is also a sign of the times that the relevant questions are being asked by Yvette Cooper, and not by any of Labour's crack frontbench justice team.
An exceptionally lame "point". Even from you

Why so?

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And RoT, it is a bit off, imo, to sarcastically ask "where's our legal expert", I take the trouble to give an answer (and I wasn't over critical of Starmer, IPPs weren't his fault) and then moan about that as well. You could, of course, volunteered an opinion before being asked. Here's St...

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And RoT, it is a bit off, imo, to sarcastically ask "where's our legal expert", I take the trouble to give an answer (and I wasn't over critical of Starmer, IPPs weren't his fault) and then moan about that as well.

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Yes, I agree - keep this above party politics - Cooper is the right one to take it forward. Why are criminal justice questions no longer part of the remit of the opposition frontbench? The reason for Worboys early release is probably IPPs, which were a scandal, and for which Labour was responsible....

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Yes, I agree - keep this above party politics - Cooper is the right one to take it forward. Why are criminal justice questions no longer part of the remit of the opposition frontbench? The reason for Worboys early release is probably IPPs, which were a scandal, and for which Labour was responsible....

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It is also a sign of the times that the relevant questions are being asked by Yvette Cooper, and not by any of Labour's crack frontbench justice team.

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I was being asked about Worboys last night, and so went and thought about it. I wrote a short twitter thread. I do think we need to know why Starmer as DPP took the original decision not to prosecute for the other offences. If it was because it was not in the public interest because Worboys was alre...

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:An article in the FT suggest using the NHS much more as anti-Brexit argument. I like that, but it's going to be difficult.

I don't think people see the connecti0on. You see the reaction it gets on here. People don't want to know.

O_nly the oppostion coould sell it, and they don't want to do so.

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The great thing about Rayner is who she is. Labour is supposed to bethe party of the working class, and she has a great backstory. One of the things that went badly wrong under Blair was the growth of SpAds who became MPs with no experience of anything at all outside politics. Miliband exemplified t...

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Kendall was called racist for the same statement

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V good on the EEA and Brexit

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Morning Paul. Tony Blair and The White House hey, who would've thought it. That was what you meant wasn't it :D :D :lol: It was just an all round eye roll really. Labour have had a powerful start to 2018 with the Tories basically in hiding. Blair is just a distraction. Everything turns on Brexit. W...

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What a lot of fatuous wibble Labour talks on the only issue that matters.

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Very good indeed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/02/free-hospital-parking-daily-mirror-jeremy-corbyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and also https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/01/something-missing-labours-transport-policy" onclick=&q...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:It is large, but also mostly comprised of groups in long term decline (indeed, that's an important reason *why* culture wars appeal to them)

Like old people? Do we just have to wait for them all to die?

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Rail work is scheduled at the least busy times.

That tends to be holidays.

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I wonder why Corbyn and Thornberry have said nothing n events in Iran.

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#RailFail Strong stuff this from Labour. Someone's been working hard over the break! Grim. Free lunches for all! That we shouldn't be subsidising rich south east commuters, the fares are mostly set by the regulator already, and that we need to pay for the infrastructure somehow all seems to be igno...

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#RailFail Strong stuff this from Labour. Someone's been working hard over the break! Grim. Free lunches for all! That we shouldn't be subsidising rich south east commuters, the fares are mostly set by the regulator already, and that we need to pay for the infrastructure somehow all seems to be igno...

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Over bidding is *great*.

But, if the public sector doesn't perform its side of the deal, we can't hold these private companies to these deals which are so good for us.

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Well, I think there is a good chance he will. Though it may still be significant that Adonis has so rubbished the idea of a shiny new "centrist" party saving the day for us all. Especially since Phil Collins (no, not that one) made yet another attempt to breathe life into that corpse just...

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Well, I think there is a good chance he will. Though it may still be significant that Adonis has so rubbished the idea of a shiny new "centrist" party saving the day for us all. Especially since Phil Collins (no, not that one) made yet another attempt to breathe life into that corpse just...

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You're the same with trains. Pump up the prices, only the middle class use them and they can afford to pay through the nose. The poor can just not travel, 'cause they don't need to go anywhere. Of course not only the middle class use these goods. But disproportionately they do. So subsidies like th...

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What part of ‘we’re not all able / well enough to jump on a bus to hospital’ do you not understand, SH. My particular bugbear with hospital car park charges is when you’ve dashed to A&E without any money / bank card because like, it was an emergency involving your nearest & dearest. This ha...

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As with all car usage charges, the beneficiary (ie the car owner) should pay, not me (or other patients who cannot afford to drive). I would agree if buses to and from hospitals were very much better than they are. I use buses on a daily basis, but if I had a sick relative in hospital I would defin...

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Scotland & Wales have both ended hospital parking charges, except for pfi funded facilities, so some degree of free parking must be feasible. Yeah. Sounds great http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14719779.Parking_row_forcing_nurses_to_sleep_in_cars_at_new_Glasgow_hospital/" onclick="w...

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I see Labour is running again with abolishing hospital parking charges. There has to be some kind of rationing system. It is just free lunch stuff yet again. Grim. Yeah, not great. Everybody does this sort of stuff though. Scotland & Wales have both ended hospital parking charges, except for pf...

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Well we agree (even if for differing reasons) that her latest piece is spectacularly delusional, but she is as terrible as that generally. (some might suggest Simon Jenkins for the above title, and I can certainly see why, but he does have the occasional spasm of lucidity) Everyone always thinks th...

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I see Labour is running again with abolishing hospital parking charges.

There has to be some kind of rationing system. It is just free lunch stuff yet again. Grim.

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Well we agree (even if for differing reasons) that her latest piece is spectacularly delusional, but she is as terrible as that generally. (some might suggest Simon Jenkins for the above title, and I can certainly see why, but he does have the occasional spasm of lucidity) Everyone always thinks th...

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I know the competition can be stiff at times, but Natalie Nougayrede really is the absolutely worst journalist employed by the Graun. Quite. Unless there is an opposition prepared to oppose the Tory Brexit, it will happen faux de mieux. Corbyn is the only one who could construct a coalition around,...

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http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/12/28/brexit-corbyn-is-playing-a-clever-long-game-that-could-benef Good piece, what some of us have been thinking for a while. That clever long game, of pushing everything through by whipping art 50 without conditions. The plan is to be fractionally m...

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Again, I think we can build a consensus around Charlie Parker not being Shed Seven.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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refitman wrote:[youtube]5w7huOZuZ3M[/youtube]

Grim, imo.

One thng life has taught me is to leave my teenage music tastes behind. Creasy's clngng on to hers make her look juvenile.
I was a punk once

The right tense.

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I don't think much of Shed Seven - but to consign all my musical memories to the bin on the back of a dislike of certain bits of them is very extreme and, well, very SpinningHugo . I mean, I don't like Mahler, either, but where does that lead me? For the record, I spent part of yesterday evening li...

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refitman wrote:SH has spoken. 90s indie music shall be struck from the annals. 'Tis beneath us to listen to it.

It is for the best.

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Grim, imo. One thng life has taught me is to leave my teenage music tastes behind. Creasy's clngng on to hers make her look juvenile. Good god, you're a miserable arse. I *love* music. I have radio 3 or my own music on all the time. A joy of life. But 90s indie??? Fun for kids back then who knew no...

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