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by SpinningHugo
Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:08 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015
Replies: 151
Views: 19744

Re: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015

The acceptance of the Tory "welfare" cuts is a painful, and dramatic illustration of how you can only move politics in your direction by being in government.
by SpinningHugo
Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:07 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015
Replies: 151
Views: 19744

Re: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015

Harman will soon effectively be history in Labour terms anyway. People thus shouldn't get too upset at what she says. The next leader will be free to set their own course, and hopefully will...... I don't think this is right. Once this position is adopted, it will be impossible to reverse (save by ...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 12 Jul, 2015 12:46 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015
Replies: 151
Views: 19744

Re: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... dy-burnham" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by SpinningHugo
Sun 12 Jul, 2015 12:26 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015
Replies: 151
Views: 19744

Re: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015

Labour backing Tory social security changes according to Harman http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02wwc7b" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; A gift for Corbyn. Yep - you wonder if she (and Chris Leslie) actually secretly wants him to win. If so, they're going the right way abou...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 12 Jul, 2015 12:01 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015
Replies: 151
Views: 19744

Re: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015

Labour backing Tory social security changes according to Harman
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02wwc7b" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A gift for Corbyn.
by SpinningHugo
Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:28 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015
Replies: 151
Views: 19744

Re: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... _mumbling/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The most recent two posts in Chris Dillow's blog about why raising the minimum wage is such a bad idea (and no substitute for tax credits) is well worth reading.
by SpinningHugo
Wed 08 Jul, 2015 6:34 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 8th July 2015
Replies: 186
Views: 41295

Re: Wednesday 8th July 2015

He stole Labour's clothes. The Living Wage thing is pure pre-distribution. I don't like it (the best way of helping the poor is to give them money rather than fix prices) but it is good politics. it didn't leak and so Harman fluffed her reply, talking about cuts to tax credits without any scheme to...
by SpinningHugo
Wed 08 Jul, 2015 4:08 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 8th July 2015
Replies: 186
Views: 41295

Re: Wednesday 8th July 2015

He stole Labour's clothes. The Living Wage thing is pure pre-distribution. I don't like it (the best way of helping the poor is to give them money rather than fix prices) but it is good politics. it didn't leak and so Harman fluffed her reply, talking about cuts to tax credits without any scheme to ...
by SpinningHugo
Mon 06 Jul, 2015 10:49 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Monday 6th July 2015
Replies: 82
Views: 19472

Re: Monday 6th July 2015

Just listened to Redwood on Toady with his Laffer Curve nonsense. Not challenged once by Montague. Wankers! Apparently again made the claim that having the top rate of tax at 45p raises more money than it does at 50p - something demolished many times now as fictional. or, at very best, there is zer...
by SpinningHugo
Mon 06 Jul, 2015 9:53 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Monday 6th July 2015
Replies: 82
Views: 19472

Re: Monday 6th July 2015

I missed this from last week. Peter Oborne returns to Daily Mail Award-winning journalist who left the Telegraph over its commercial policies will write a new weekly political column http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/30/peter-oborne-returns-to-daily-mail?CMP=share_btn_tw" onclick="...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 6:24 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

The 2015 intake of Labour MP's is very diverse, give them time and they may get to the top I don't think that is right. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/parliament-must-shed-privately-educated-and-westminster-bubble-mps-win-voters-trust" onclick="window.open(this.href);return ...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 5:53 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

A No in Greece, and the Chinese stockmarket collapsing?

Interesting times.

Buy gold is my advice (or if you cannot afford that, stock up on tins of soup).
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 4:49 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

Agree with Hugo on the narrowness of the political class, and can't help feel (having been in and left academia) that there is much to learn of great value outside of it that might help one contribute to running a country. Including different perspective. Would very much like to see far wider parti...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 3:38 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

:roll: What's odd about liking a sport that you discovered from having lived in the US when you were a kid? i like baseball (although I am a blue jays fan myself. In the UK every pol has to love football. Sad, but that is the way it is. Perhaps it is different for women pols? Miliband supported Lee...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 3:14 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

and will probably play better than Miliband's love of baseball (which was a small contribution to his appearing odd). :roll: What's odd about liking a sport that you discovered from having lived in the US when you were a kid? i like baseball (although I am a blue jays fan myself. In the UK every po...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 3:13 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

AB has worked at Thomas Cook and as a journalist on trade journals with titles like Tank World and Passenger Rail Management and Container Management. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/andy-burnham-tvs-boys-blackstuff-6002643" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Personally I'...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 2:54 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

Yes, all very true and I agree. Though there is always the "Nixon to China" argument - only somebody who has been part of the system, and thus understands it, can successfully change it? Burnham is an ex-SPAD and all that, true, but he has also IIRC had a job outside politics (sports teac...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 2:25 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

I see what you mean, but I recall what A Campbell said about such things...... (ie it was only when politically aware people were getting fed up with a certain phrase, that it was finally getting through to the general public) The problem is not the phrase but who is using it. Someone more entrench...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 2:11 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

Wish AB would stop using "Westminster bubble!" its getting a tad boring now I see what you mean, but I recall what A Campbell said about such things...... (ie it was only when politically aware people were getting fed up with a certain phrase, that it was finally getting through to the ge...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 11:51 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

@SpinningHugo Bake Off and Strictly? No wonder you feel it not worth the money. Snob! No - I watch Bake Off (not Strictly which I think is way past its sell by date and has been steadily dumbed down since its inception) but if those are the only programmes you want to watch it's a pretty narrow sel...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 11:17 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

utopiandreams wrote:@SpinningHugo

Bake Off and Strictly? No wonder you feel it not worth the money.
Snob!
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 11:01 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

The BBC. I love radio 3 passionately, and no commercial broadcaster would provide it. it feels like civilization to me. The Tories hate it, as it is not part of the private sector, but I am not sure that should be enough to cause us to love it. The way it is funded is a poll tax. Yes, there are some...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 05 Jul, 2015 10:48 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015
Replies: 168
Views: 37154

Re: Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th July 2015

Went to see Andy Burnham speak and answer questions tonight. I will try to post something on it tomorrow but for now will just say the Welsh audience were top bods IMO. Burnham was told in a variety of ways that Labour need to be plain and direct speaking using words that most people use and relate...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 3:56 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

It is obvious you have never been a building-site worker. Sacking people is exactly what they do. And they hoard land to keep prices high, by regulating supply and demand, not to even their workload. If local authorities were in charge of real housing policy, they would be instructed to start build...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 2:49 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

They need a cushion so that when jobs come to an end they aren't forced either to keep hundreds of people idle or sack them. It is obvious you have never been a building-site worker. Sacking people is exactly what they do. And they hoard land to keep prices high, by regulating supply and demand, no...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 2:48 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

I saw the face of Mr. Miliband after the 2015 GE result I did too. This is admittedly a matter of impression, but mine was not the same as yours. I was somewhat surprised he was able to make jokes about Milifandom for example. As for the list of horrors, I am pretty sure I can give you a long list ...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 2:41 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

They need a cushion so that when jobs come to an end they aren't forced either to keep hundreds of people idle or sack them. It is obvious you have never been a building-site worker. Sacking people is exactly what they do. And they hoard land to keep prices high, by regulating supply and demand, no...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 1:46 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

We will get 200,000 homes built a year by 2020. This will close the gap between the number of homes we build and the number of homes we need, as well as providing up to 230,000 jobs in construction. We will unblock the supply of new homes by giving local authorities "use it or lose it" po...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 1:38 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

"Does Liz Kendall have what it takes to interfere in the housing market to get hundreds of thousands of homes built as Ed was proposing" This is a classic example of what Hopi Sen called Labour's dressing itself up in Syriza clothing, whilst actually proposing SPD policies. The housing pl...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 1:21 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

"Does Liz Kendall have what it takes to interfere in the housing market to get hundreds of thousands of homes built as Ed was proposing" This is a classic example of what Hopi Sen called Labour's dressing itself up in Syriza clothing, whilst actually proposing SPD policies. The housing ple...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 12:57 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

Jeremy Corbyn has as much chance as anyone else of winning a general election. Blair won because the tories were exhausted and people were fed up to the back teeth of them. Blairites insist on interpreting this as proof of the widespread popularity of their own views. But they are wrong. In five ye...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 12:55 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

It is just as possible that they voted for Labour because of Ed Miliband's manifesto and Labour risks losing them if they reject it entirely as Kendall seems to be doing (and if she isn't doing that, then she is appalling at putting herself across because that's how it seems). Of course in a way th...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 12:45 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

(iii) The abuse that Kendall receives shows, for me, that Labour is unwilling to make the compromises necessary to gain power. I regret that. And this is where most of us here part company. One of the most irritating things about neo-Blairites is their tendency to claim (especially when pressed in ...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 12:07 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

I don't think Kendall will win (which is sad) but I do think that the abuse she gets reveals why Labour loses. What does this even mean? It means (i) Kendall won't win. I regret this (ii) Kendall gets lots of abuse. (iii) The abuse that Kendall receives shows, for me, that Labour is unwilling to ma...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 12:00 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

There is a difference between doing a token interview with the Currant Bun and making its approval a centrepiece of your strategy. But, of course, you know that :) If those were the facts, you would of course be right. But they are not. Those interviews are just as prominent and of the same length....
by SpinningHugo
Fri 03 Jul, 2015 11:50 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 3rd July 2015
Replies: 104
Views: 21078

Re: Friday 3rd July 2015

Good morfternoon. Labour leadership: Kendall in 'continuity Miliband' warning 24 minutes ago Liz Kendall says she is the only Labour leadership candidate who would fully break with Ed Miliband's leadership. She told The Sun her three rivals were all "continuity Miliband" candidates who wo...
by SpinningHugo
Sun 28 Jun, 2015 7:33 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015
Replies: 161
Views: 31547

Re: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015

For those interested, this is about gay marriage in the US. It is conservative

https://spinninghugo.wordpress.com/2015 ... e-a-judge/
by SpinningHugo
Sat 27 Jun, 2015 5:55 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015
Replies: 161
Views: 31547

Re: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015

I explained at length at the time what I thought was wrong with the 2015 manifesto (on here and elsewhere). So no. I liked the Labour party 2015 manifesto. Jobs guarantee (real wages for work!), dump Health & Social Care Act 2012 , dump Bedroom Tax, regulate Buy-to-Let, private sector housing, ...
by SpinningHugo
Sat 27 Jun, 2015 3:40 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015
Replies: 161
Views: 31547

Re: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015

"From this perspective Burnham has the strongest grasp of how things stand, praising the manifesto that 9m people just voted for as one of the best he's stood on." What matters is the same thing that has mattered in every election since the early 1920s. The gap between the Tory and Labour...
by SpinningHugo
Sat 27 Jun, 2015 2:39 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015
Replies: 161
Views: 31547

Re: Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th June 2015

"From this perspective Burnham has the strongest grasp of how things stand, praising the manifesto that 9m people just voted for as one of the best he's stood on." What matters is the same thing that has mattered in every election since the early 1920s. The gap between the Tory and Labour ...
by SpinningHugo
Thu 25 Jun, 2015 8:31 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 25th June 2015
Replies: 100
Views: 23349

Re: Thursday 25th June 2015

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/24/tax-credits-over-inflated-but-still-a-life-raft-for-many What Brown could not foresee was that the credits would become a major post-crash safety net, inflating their cost from £9bn to £30bn by 2010. The above line caught my eye. The tax credit bill c...
by SpinningHugo
Wed 24 Jun, 2015 4:42 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wenesday 24th June 2015
Replies: 71
Views: 16916

Re: Wenesday 24th June 2015

Cruddas is one of the guilty men. Not worth listening to.

He studied philosophy at Warwick, at a time when it was dominated by examining continental philosophy like Derrida.

It painfully shows.
by SpinningHugo
Wed 24 Jun, 2015 4:11 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wenesday 24th June 2015
Replies: 71
Views: 16916

Re: Wenesday 24th June 2015

Good morning. :D Andy Burnham is the Labour leadership contender most likely to improve the party’s chances at the next general election, according to a survey of 2,000 people for The Independent by ORB. And we know how reliable polls are. :roll: Liz Kendall, the shadow Care Minister who is seen as...
by SpinningHugo
Wed 24 Jun, 2015 11:05 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wenesday 24th June 2015
Replies: 71
Views: 16916

Re: Wenesday 24th June 2015

Interesting - I noticed this when I was watching the debate the other night. (via a Laura McInerney tweet) Education and The English question https://johnohowson.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/education-and-the-english-question/ Whatever happened to that English votes thing - presumably as the Tories won...
by SpinningHugo
Wed 24 Jun, 2015 10:34 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wenesday 24th June 2015
Replies: 71
Views: 16916

Re: Wenesday 24th June 2015

Interesting - I noticed this when I was watching the debate the other night. (via a Laura McInerney tweet) Education and The English question https://johnohowson.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/education-and-the-english-question/ What was more interesting, in a debate entirely about schools in England, we...
by SpinningHugo
Tue 23 Jun, 2015 7:29 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 23rd June 2015
Replies: 50
Views: 13718

Re: Tuesday 23rd June 2015

If people want some interesting and intelligent talk on what policy should look like in the UK, this is interesting on the UK http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/talking-britain/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto&_r=0 Stick with it and watch David Hendry, the most interesting of the t...
by SpinningHugo
Sat 20 Jun, 2015 12:27 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 20th and Sunday 21st June 2015
Replies: 182
Views: 36560

Re: Saturday 20th and Sunday 21st June 2015

Forgive me if I come over all Hugo-ish for a moment, but what exactly is another demonstration meant to achieve? Sunny Hundal had a good and thought-provoking piece on LabourList recently about how the initially promising anti-austerity/pro-change movements after the coalition was formed in 2010 ha...
by SpinningHugo
Fri 19 Jun, 2015 3:26 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 19th June 2015
Replies: 101
Views: 32819

Re: Friday 19th June 2015

Sometimes I can't understand Paul Mason's blog posts but this one's pretty clear. Greek crisis: crunch time http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/greece-crunch-time/3882" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Here’s what I think: First, the working assumption of the Greek lead...
by SpinningHugo
Thu 18 Jun, 2015 6:30 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 18th June 2015
Replies: 123
Views: 27495

Re: Thursday 18th June 2015

You seem to be almost relying on that in order that your dream of the future of the Labour Party might be realised. We are no longer in 2007. Sorry? Are you really expecting a government with a majority of 16 to fall between now and the next 5 years? Of course they won't, bar some kind of catastrop...