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Grim, imo.

One thng life has taught me is to leave my teenage music tastes behind. Creasy's clngng on to hers make her look juvenile.

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Chris Williamson fighting the good fight

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Creasy or Pidcock on socialising with Tories?

(I hope we can all unite in loathing Shed Seven. Move on from dire indie music ffs. Grow up.)

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Any evidence to support that perchance? Or even an "in my opinion" would help. That would be the obvious fact that Corbyn and McDonnell set all Labour policy including this. They have some constraints, but Corbyn's promises for party democracy now look really funny. The big problem is Bre...

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Tubby I don't mind him being given a nudge and it is is absolutely clear Labour will need to take a position at some point I am, though, happy to leave it to Starmer to take the lead on what needs to be done (with the leadership) and am happy to ignore the remarks of 60 random councillors (out of h...

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One for Hugo: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/27/campaign-launched-return-east-coast-rail-public-ownership" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ;) I agree with Adonis https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/29/east-coast-rail-franchise-terminated-three-years-e...

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Mind you, Shed Seven are crap

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One for Hugo: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/27/campaign-launched-return-east-coast-rail-public-ownership" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ;) I agree with Adonis https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/29/east-coast-rail-franchise-terminated-three-years-e...

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Labour’s student vote ‘could melt away’ over Brexit backing Hepi/YouthSight poll finds 68 per cent of students now back the party, up from 55 per cent prior to June’s general election https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/labours-student-vote-could-melt-away-over-brexit-backing" onclick=&q...

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I did reflect that while I am utterly unsentimental about Hilary Clinton (while respecting her many achievements), I am probably overly sentimental about Obama, who was in every sense a winner. In the US the sentimentality is all focused on Bernie S. "If only". Trump would have beaten him...

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I did reflect that while I am utterly unsentimental about Hilary Clinton (while respecting her many achievements), I am probably overly sentimental about Obama, who was in every sense a winner. In the US the sentimentality is all focused on Bernie S. "If only". Trump would have beaten him...

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Wilson is quite well regarded now it seems? Actually IMO with him the opposite is true to some extent - quite a few of the "modernising" school saw him as partly responsible for Labour's 1980s wilderness years. Kinnock's years as leader are still appreciated by some of us. What he did sub...

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The left are doing okay in the UK. It's tough, always has been tough being left-wing. Right-wingers...Dave Cameron, George Osborne, Theresa May, Jeremy Hunt, George Smith, Green, Gove, Johnson, Patel...the list goes on...Tory repeat failures all. Media gloss over their repeatedly failing most peopl...

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The usual laments BTL of "why weren't you like this as leader, Ed?" Quite frequently, he was. Our media had little interest in making people aware of it, though. He was like that before. But those qualities were not enough, and it wasn't the media's fault. He had plenty of exposire. He wa...

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The usual laments BTL of "why weren't you like this as leader, Ed?" Quite frequently, he was. Our media had little interest in making people aware of it, though. He was like that before. But those qualities were not enough, and it wasn't the media's fault. He had plenty of exposire. He wa...

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Merry Christmas, or else...

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ephemerid wrote:Hello Nesters!

Just popped in to wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy new year.

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Very kind of you.

Can we all go over to reciprocate?

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:

3m ago 13:56
Cabinet agrees to push ahead with demands for bespoke Brexit deal (Politics Live, Guardian)
Ah well, good luck with that.

Wouldn't it be great if we had an opposition opposing this.

But we don't.

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Corbyn confident

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Lots of things aren't easy, that doesn't automatically mean we shouldn't make at least some effort to do them. We should move those pieces of public administration to the regions to save costs. But. Areas of the country are not people, We have no interest in their equality. If it is economically co...

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Not much praise on here for Dennis Brexit Skinner and his amusing heckles. Unlike another place. Could you tell me exactly what you mean by this post? Was there some kind of celebration we should know about? Some important breaking news? Or, are you just trolling between two different forums in an ...

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Not much praise on here for Dennis Brexit Skinner and his amusing heckles. Unlike another place.

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You do have to love the Chutzpan of the members of the Campaign Group

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Barbara Castle kept popping up wanting more money spent on the main state pension. Cameron took that one on. I'm only glad it took till 2015 to go down that route, or else we'd be heading for Southern European public finances. Yes, I know most pensioners aren't rich. It is the other goodies (NI in ...

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AngryAsWell wrote:Out of interest SH, are there any Labour people - past or present - who you do like ?
#InnocentFace

Barbara Castle a personal favourite.

Almost anyone outside the Bennite strain.

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This is a challenging read

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That is one view, another is that Osborne's editing of that paper is transparently and obviously geared towards his rather obsessive vendetta against the PM (and of course, I hold no brief for her) revealing the underlying pettiness and malevolence that was too often obvious during his time as Chan...

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I think Clegg is less important (though he's respected on EU stuff) because he's not bringing anything to the table that the current LD leadership isn't bringing. But Osborne and Blair, I think they do. Osborne seems to have found his role though. He is a truly excellent editor of the Standard. He ...

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I know most don't like Rentoul, but this is absolutely right, I'd missed when written http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/pmq-prime-minister-question-time-jeremy-corbyn-challenge-theresa-may-rough-sleeping-housing-a8107401.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Like social sec...

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Oh and if Blair really cares about Brexit, the best service he can provide to the cause is to SHUT UP. I wonder. I do take his point that there are not hundreds of others lining up to make the case though. Some of those on the Labour side who are (most obviously Umunna) are completely compromised b...

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I am sorry for adding to the links to Graun front page stories above (I can't see them, but I can guess) but what do we all think of Blair? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/16/tony-blair-the-whole-country-has-been-pulled-into-this-tory-psychodrama-over-europe" onclick="window....

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refitman wrote:Whoosh.

Whoosh indeed..

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1983. He hasn't changed his mind on anything. Lots of other anti EU votes since then of course, who he surrounds himself with, how the rest of the Campaign group votes and how he has behaved post referendum make his views clear In 1983 I wanted to be a fire engine. I've changed my mind since then. ...

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So, Corbyn who isn't pragmatic and real world enough to be Labour leader is, err, too pragmatic and unprincipled with Brexit. OK Xmas drinks beckon :-) 1983. He has not changed his mi He doesn't really support Remain. Do try to keep up. A question for you (and nobody else I have put it to has been ...

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:So, Corbyn who isn't pragmatic and real world enough to be Labour leader is, err, too pragmatic and unprincipled with Brexit.

OK Xmas drinks beckon

He doesn't really support Remain. Do try to keep up.

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Didn't see QT last night (have barely looked at it for years) but it seems Barnsley was "right wing" on Brexit, but "left wing" on almost everything else. Which does rather neatly sum up the tightrope that Labour have had to negotiate on this issue (whatever else the #STOPBREXIT...

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PfY

What dramatic changes in the EUs structure are you envisaging over the next 2 to 3 years?

I expect none at all, so I am a bit puzzled by your claim.

As for the idea that Macron and Merkel are chatting regularly with John McDonnell, I would suggest that is similarly far-fetched.

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John McDonnell said We want to be as close to the single market as we possibly can to get tariff-free access and also to ensure that we protect jobs and the economy overall. With regards to the Customs Union, a Customs Union, again exactly the same. [...] We think we are the only party that can bri...

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Shirley the prospect of a final vote makes it much less likely that the final offer will be Hard Brexit. Demonstrably, this is likely to fail in the current House. So, the eventual choice for MPs may be between Hard (no deal) and Soft (deal) Brexit. If that happened there would be an opportunity fo...

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On which, Labour Brexit rebels who voted FOR the Grieve amendment Ronnie Campbell John Mann Dennis Skinner AGAINST Frank Field Kate Hoey The other usual rebels didn't vote as far as I can see https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2017-12-13/division/A6D3F514-D4C1-4883-926F-C3DEB1BC8AD0/EuropeanUnio...

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I don't think it matters. The art 50 process means we leave in March 2019 unless the other EU27 agree to delay the process, regardless of Parliament. They took the important decision age ago, Labour supporting the government. The effective decision then will be a no deal Brexit, or the deal the gov...

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/13/tory-brexit-rebels-inflict-major-defeat-on-theresa-may tory-brexit-rebels-inflict-major-defeat-on-theresa-may I don't think it matters. The art 50 process means we leave in March 2019 unless the other EU27 agree to delay the process, regardless of Pa...

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/13/tory-brexit-rebels-inflict-major-defeat-on-theresa-may tory-brexit-rebels-inflict-major-defeat-on-theresa-may I don't think it matters. The art 50 process means we leave in March 2019 unless the other EU27 agree to delay the process, regardless of Pa...

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Poor sod

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Hello. I will take victories wherever I can, but I see very little to celebrate when reading about the number of white people who voted for Moore (including significant majorities of both white women and college-educated whites). Just shows how grimly polarised politics has become. So determined to...

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The Real Fight Starts Now! https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/11/jeremy-corbyn-refuses-to-firm-up-labours-brexit-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Politics as juvenile game, guaranteeing that the poorest are made considerably poorer. Don't vote for the big tw...

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The Real Fight Starts Now! https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/11/jeremy-corbyn-refuses-to-firm-up-labours-brexit-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Politics as juvenile game, guaranteeing that the poorest are made considerably poorer. Don't vote for the big tw...

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The Real Fight Starts Now!

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Politics as juvenile game, guaranteeing that the poorest are made considerably poorer.

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That is what Yanis Varoufakis was arguing for . Thanks Frog I have to admit I didn't have time to read Varoufakis. I have been pretty busy of late. Something for me to catch up with over Christmas then. I did have a brief Twitter chat with Billy Bragg about it though ;-) An example of the same delu...

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SH's "Starmer is useless" really is one of their most niche opinions. He is one of the few Labour politicians outside the current leadership whose name I sometimes hear mentioned by "non political" people, usually approvingly. You really cannot know, or even follow on Twitter, a...

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