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Evening all

Just want to wish everyone a restful/happy holiday.

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Just had an email... I am pleased to inform you that the University's Research Degrees Committee has confirmed that your thesis meets the academic requirements for the award of the degree of Doctor of Philosophy of The Open University. Congratulations on your success! :) Excellence can still happen...

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Morning all
The one thing I keep holding onto is the memory of how devastating living through Thatcher and Reagan victories felt, but I carried on, had my kids and the world, thankfully, didn't destroy itself.

Not much really but it has to be sufficient for today.

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Afternoon all On the prefab possibilities I think there might be a problem of normalisation of inadequate and specifically poor people's housing in the longer term. If you think about prefabs, they were used after the war as a short term solution to a housing crisis created by war. They existed alon...

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Hello all

A reminder that came my way.
"Do the clocks do their thing this weekend?"
"Yes"
"So it's quarter to twelve?"
"No but it will be tomorrow"

Compliments of the fedup household. Hopefully you will all return to my time zone tomorrow.

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Morning tc.

I signed in a few hours ago to speak but my typing stutter got the better of me, as it often does, so I'm thinking of having a last cigarette before trying for sleep again. Just so you know you're not alone just in the quiet spaces for a moment.

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Happy birthday Roger, hope you have a great day. Local project sounds fascinating. I've done a few community based studies but generally starting from the current people living in the community with their history and that of the overall community as the context in which to understand their views. Do...

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In the Torygraph today they're on about bringing back pounds and ounces. The mind reboggles. Well that was fun - I skimmed this translated it into pounds, shillings and pence for some reason and we (mr fedup and me) then spent 10 minutes working out how well we could reconvert. As an exercise in de...

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Many many congratulations Roger.

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I'm a DWP call handler and have no time to care about your disability claim. https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2016/aug/20/work-pensions-disability-claim-call-handler-benefits-dwp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Thanks, Toby. I'm not sure I have much sympat...

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I know others will feel differently but, for me, this judgement is a deciding factor. I don't want to pay money to a political party that denies members their right to participate at the whim of the those who control the supposed democratic machinery. It makes me really sad to see the Labour party, ...

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So, if I've got this right. Part of the Labour party is going to continue to use Labour party funds to fight the right of some of its members to vote in a leadership election called up to six months after those members joined. Although when those members joined there was nothing in the rules that sa...

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Afternoon all A couple of points I think are really important about an explicit move to ant austerity and equality. Gordon Brown introduced a lot of anti poverty measures, many of them by stealth. Most of these have been removed first be the coalition and now by the Tories with a full media strategi...

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To add: people being healthier is an economic benefit. Less days off work leads to increased productivity. Healthier people lead to a reduction in demand on the health service. Yes - but I return to my original question. Any evidence that any of this happens/ Sorry - very tired so am almost using &...

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Evening all

Straight question - did anybody, at any time before the EU ref, suggest that the vote could be ignored?

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Afternoon all Just to say that I think that the two new threads are a good idea. What I would like to see is the proposed policies with some discussion about implementation and how they might link to each other. I thought one of Ed 's strengths was that he tried to integrate his policy thinking, ult...

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Hi yahyah I agree with you that Smith is entitled to fair representation, and his proposals to be listened to and critiqued as should Corbyn's. I think though that my starting point, the abortive coup, has flavoured what came next because, as far as I'm aware, Smith never distanced himself from it. ...

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Afternoon all For me the abortive coup made the question of what I want, feel entitled to expect, of the Labour party crystal clear. I expect a party in which all members are assumed to have an equal say in both its leadership and general direction. At times in the past this has left me feeling dist...

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PorFavor wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:If the end of the world is at midnight, isn't that tomorrow?

It seems to be a moot point. Or a mute point, if you have a silent clock.

Maybe it depends on which bong it goes on - as T S Eliot would have said, had he known, 'not with a bang, but with a bong'

Morning all

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What I'd really like to hear now is a vocal commitment from the PLP to honour the democratic mandate of whoever wins and collectively do their jobs. Then they can rightly claim their place as Labour party MPs representing the interests of their constituencies. There is, of course, a tension here. S...

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Sorry my last post was confusing - I was interrupted by some chip shop chips and got redirected - what I was trying to say was while I expect my MP to represent my interests as a constituent, I don't expect to agree with how he understands these. He is an SNP MP. I didn't vote for him. I don't agree...

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They should be representing their constituents. Why else would anyone vote for them ? People vote for MPs because they support the platform on which the MP stands, the party the MP belongs to, and in some cases on the personal qualities of the MP. It would be a bit weird after being selected by a l...

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Great that Foster lost. What I'd really like to hear now is a vocal commitment from the PLP to honour the democratic mandate of whoever wins and collectively do their jobs. Then they can rightly claim their place as Labour party MPs representing the interests of their constituencies. My main thought...

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Morning all Just a couple of points I'd like to make that I think are important in the broader debate about what kind of politics we might be seeking at the moment. While unfortunately it seems to be locked into the current personality focus that the world would have us believe is the only factor th...

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Ok, so here is some actual news then http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/23/business-as-usual-as-most-britons-unconcerned-by-brexit-hit-to-t/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; That means around 40% of large purchases have been postponed because of the Brexit vote. Tha...

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Afternoon all Oh for the halcyon days of the summer of 2014 when no Labour party MPS briefed against Ed and none of the papers made up stories about how useless he was because it was summer and he should be doing 'leading' stuff and managing the UK government and being strategic, and having policies...

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Question, can anyone in the last 6 odd years think of anything good happening politically, socially, that feeling oh-so-fleeting feeling of good being done, justice being served, Hillsborough is the only thing to my tired mind I can think of. I did blub when Wales beat Belguim to reach the semi fin...

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You forgot one other thing. He has an allotment. And he goes to the allotment holder's meetings. :shock: Now that is subversive. I bet he grows tomatoes. Red ones. You really appear to a red fetish there you know Jimmy - I know you probably can't get treatment for it from the NHS, maybe a private h...

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Whatever is true about plots, counter plots and nasty things that might happen, what the fuck are people frightened that Jeremy Corbyn will do if he ever gets into power? Why is he so scary that it is necessary to destroy the Labour party from within or from the outside? He seems to me to be a rela...

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Whatever is true about plots, counter plots and nasty things that might happen, what the fuck are people frightened that Jeremy Corbyn will do if he ever gets into power? Why is he so scary that it is necessary to destroy the Labour party from within or from the outside? He seems to me to be a relat...

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From reading McGinn's statement, he wasnt told this directly by Corbyn he is repeating what 'collegues' allege that Corbyn said in a meeting. Of course no name on the person who informed him of such a dastardly threat. Take from that what you will. McGinn - like a number of the 2015 intake - is inc...

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Morning all I think we're still in danger of blaming an electorate for ignorance in a society owned by an elite. We are lied to by the bulk of the media, educated not to think critically but to question our own ability to think at all, drowned in frenetic noise of horrible things that are happening ...

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Though there are signs, post-2008, of some forms of collectivism making a comeback. One is joining political parties - Labour's recent surge has been much commented on but almost all major parties have increased membership recently. This maybe points to a bit of a decline in the "consumerist&q...

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FWIW I think that most of the arguments being made, from all sides, are made from honest beliefs about where the Labour party should go/ be. I disagree with those who think that pulling or pushing a more left wing membership to the right is the only way forward. I don't think we're reliving the disa...

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Memo to FTN: we have been "banging on" about Labour/Corbyn since June 25. But, with respect, it's a subject of some considerable importance that's been in our faces constantly since June 25, and one that is not concluded yet. I agree. I also think this is a much bigger issue than Corbyn v...

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Morning all Sitting at the kitchen door enjoying coffee and watching great dollops of rain rush from the sky, with thunder booming in the background, my three year old grandson is noisily upset because we promised he could have the paddling pool out - ho hum. On a positive note I do love a good thun...

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I can't trust someone who appears to think that an attempted coup is a logical and rational way to force changes they want when there is a perfectly legitimate challenge process that could be initiated. To me that demonstrates arrogance instead of negotiation as the preferred way of dealing with dif...

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I find, even though I really, really don't want to come out of the EU, it wrong to ignore/ dismiss the referendum.. I know what you mean and to some extent would agree had it not been for so many lies. But then there were lies from both sides but what probably irks me more is that prat Cameron who ...

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I find, even though I really, really don't want to come out of the EU, it wrong to ignore/ dismiss the referendum. Like the arguments against the role of the Labour party membership in decision making it all smacks of a major disempowerment. "We thank you for your input into our democracy and b...

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Morning all Thanks for the various links over the last few days I've found them helpful in trying to get my head around what is happening in the Labour party. To some extent I've given up on trying to understand anything meaningful about the post coronation government. Apparently now that cameron ha...

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With difficulty - and many reservations about the silence of the wider PLP as they seemed to feel it unnecessary to openly discuss how their disconnection from a great many of their own CLPs demonstrates their superior knowledge of what is needed - I am trying to see/understand what the challengers ...

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Seems to me the Labour party has moved from representative democracy and flirted with participatory democracy. This is now being used to undermine MP accountability to members by arguing that their only accountability is to their constituents as though they rose Venus like from the brain of the God ...

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Thanks for explaining all that Ephie. Politics is dead complicated though so maybe I shouldn't get to vote ever. Is there a test for people like me? it's terrible if people like me can have an equal say to real people who understand how things should work

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Morning all Just thought I'd double check where we are with the Labour party leadership contest to make sure I understand how party democracy works. There's a leadership challenge, although that didn't really need to happen if the leader, elected by the majority of the party membership had just list...

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This isn't a reshuffle - it's a completely new government, not just a new PM. Lots of sacked people on the back benches, with a majority of just 12. Ooooer.........this could be fun. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And now, in the interests of...

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I agree with your argument that there are lots of very active and capable activists and representatives on the ground Paul but I feel that the space to grow the kind of commitment and political confidence that such activities need is constantly shut down by the party structures that are used to cont...

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Forgot morning all

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And so I wake up and I take a look at this strange new world we've collectively wandered into, and last night's optimism about this being the chance to renew things turns into ashes. Everybody's going to do their damnedest to keep fighting old and worthless battles, bald men (and women) will still ...

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Afternoon all I know I'm probably being naive but surely this means the plotters or potential saviours of the Labour party (whichever you think they are) now have a simple choice if the whole basis of the coup was that corbyn would lose the 2020 election and therefore they needed a change now. They ...

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If nothing else this whole debacle appears to have strengthened the collective identity and shared beliefs of the rather larger group of people that make up the organisational level below the PLP. So there has been an enormous growth in membership numbers, increased identification with the democrati...

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