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Hearing talk of 'shy Tories' on social media. Apparently it's the fault of the nasty lefties for having a go at people sharing Tory propaganda on Facebook. No, I don't buy it either. I don't think the shy Tories necessarily use social media in that way. Besides there is a shed load of right wing pr...

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And yet it didn't matter how many times Miliband said there would be no coalition both Sturgeon and the Tories kept bringing it up, knowing uncertainty and opposition to a deal went down like a sack of shite in England. It suited both sides to put doubt into voters minds. A pincer movement you coul...

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Maybe know we can understand why Ed was so vehement about no deals with the SNP. The very idea was toxic to a mass of voters. And yet it didn't matter how many times Miliband said there would be no coalition both Sturgeon and the Tories kept bringing it up, knowing uncertainty and opposition to a d...

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Ok. The monarchy, at least in its present bloated, outdated form, is on my "must go" list (this isn't new for me but it's shot up my agenda of priorities). I think the monarchy goes a fair way to being responsible for why the British are so happy, eager even, to be treated like dirt. They...

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Ray woolford ‏@Raywoolford · 1 min1 minute ago Wellcome 2 Tory election win .We Care food bank shop landlord wants to put rent up from £7.500 per year 2 £28.000 ! We will have 2 relocate And so it begins ...... Generation Rent, if you didn't vote Labour you've scuppered yourself. And the same goes ...

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5 more years of me not we 5 more years of fear not hope The people of this country have spoken, and said "fuck the other guy" Not sure if I can bear to live here anymore. I sure as hell don't want to depress anyone any further than they already are, but it'll probably be more than 5 years...

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Just had a long chat with my dad, who came up with a point that I hadn't arrived at. I haven't studied the figures so I can't say if it works or not, but it looks as though Ukip did far more damage to Labour than to the Tories. Apparently a lot of the Conservative marginals that Labour needed to ta...

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tinyclanger2 wrote:
Campaigns are about future & Cameron was viewed as having the more optimistic vision for future by 10+ pts
OK so basically I'm just in some sort of alternative reality, because I don't remember any bit of campaigning where Cameron was either.

The country's jumped the shark

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It turns out the Lib Dems’ private canvassing picked up what he called a “subtle but terrible” shift to the Tories in the last few days in Cheltenham, where Martin Horwood lost his seat. “People were saying they wanted clarity, a government not beholden to the SNP. That message chimed with people r...

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Kettle is on almost constantly and my eye is wandering towards chocolate. I am working (not diligently) on the last part of what I hope will be a contribution to all this at some point, and meanwhile am girding loins, griddling lions, piecing cods and generally trying to get me brain aligned to hel...

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It turns out the Lib Dems’ private canvassing picked up what he called a “subtle but terrible” shift to the Tories in the last few days in Cheltenham, where Martin Horwood lost his seat. “People were saying they wanted clarity, a government not beholden to the SNP . That message chimed with people ...

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rebeccariots2 wrote:Thinking of Ernst - that Bury North outcome was horribly close. Wishing you well Ernst if you are looking in here.

Yes, wishing you well, Ernst.

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How though? Mr Riots and I have just had a small chat about the lack of political consciousness in the UK - following a large hug to get us to the point where we could even speak about the state of our country. It certainly won't be enough to work very hard - as a lot of us did - on doorsteps for m...

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LadyCentauria wrote:Is lowering the voting age another thing that wo'n't go ahead under Cameron?

Yes, but not that it matters much, as it seems the younger voters don't bother to get out and vote in anything like the numbers needed.

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So Ed's still p***ing the media off by not doing what they want him to do. Good on him. Ed may have lost in the end, but he had the right-wing press sweating there for a bit and I honestly didn't believe that was possible when he first went up against Murdoch. I thought the press would flatten him ...

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LadyCentauria wrote:Shapps says fewer, more-equal-sized, constituencies has already been voted for so they can just press straight on with introducing it

FFS

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66% turn out? I don't understand The polling booths have never been busier, had to queue at ours (unheard of in the 25 years I've lived here) and not far from us they had to bring in an extra booths to cope. A look at yesterdays AS blog shows the same queuing all over the country. Yeah, but they mu...

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Yep, much lower than *all* pollsters were predicting - and surely a major reason for their failure. Put simply their vote turned out, ours didn't :( Which seems to be the case most elections, and it's one of the things we need to address. How though? Mr Riots and I have just had a small chat about ...

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pk1 wrote:Christ, look at the SC (as of yesterday)

http://www.labour.org.uk/people/filter/c/shadow-cabinet

I don't think any of them would be any good as Leader.

Yes, why we still need Ed really. But sadly, we'll have to move on.

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Conor Pope ‏@Conorpope 2m2 minutes ago That was a very poor resignation from Miliband. WTF ??? Well according to the arsehole on the BBC he didn't admit anything went wrong and just urged the party to keep trying. I saw it as trying to give hope to a downcast party, recognise their very considerabl...

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Now listening to the arsehole pundits on the BBC slagging off Ed's speech. Lovely. Don't watch it, then - part of me hopes that the Tories now privatise them; all that appeasement for nothing, you cowardly ****s :toss: Yeah, the tories will screw the beeb over now, same as everything else. I'm with...

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pk1 wrote:Ed has resigned so the party can have an open & honest debate without constraint.

Harman to take over in the interim.

I hope the honest and open debate, doesn't mean years of ripping itself apart, like it often did before Ed held it together, before then turning right again.

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Ed has resigned so the party can have an open & honest debate without constraint. Harman to take over in the interim. :cry: Bless you Ed. I wish you and your family all the best. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you tried to do, especially in regards to changing the Labour party. Y...

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pk1 wrote:@OwenJones84
Don't mourn. Organise. And this time, let's actually mean it.

Ok Owen but let's hear your support loud & proud throughout the next 5 years.

Agreed, because over the last 5 years he hasn't been as committed to the Labour cause as he could have been.

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No, as that would just be cutting off our noses to spite our face. But, for me, it depends which way Labour goes now. If there's a right wing shift, then what's the point? Yes, maybe we get some support from the MSM and get back in to power eventually, but for what? To continue with Thatcherism? Th...

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Anyway, that's me boycotting all newspapers (online sites as well) and news channels for the forseeable future. They have also helped bring this disaster about - whatever happened to "speaking truth to power"? Yes me too, will read here, and any links to good political blogs posted. Not t...

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The LibDems propped up an appalling government. People voted for the same appalling government but without the LibDems this time. There's gratitude for you, Nick Clegg. You could have pulled the plug at any time and, in so doing, you might have done yourself and your Party some good. You should hav...

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14 hours ago I would have thought that meant we were in wonderland. Now I almost miss him, in spite of simultaneously blaming him for being a stupid, deluded charlatan with all the political nous of toejam. I know. He has just said that liberalism isn't doing well across the world but the politics ...

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AngryAsWell wrote:The Independent ‏@Independent · 4 mins4 minutes ago
Sports Direct share price up 4 per cent after zero-hours relief on Conservative win http://ind.pn/1F9tKll

This is the country we are

Yep,

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:66% turnout. Depressingly low.
Yep, much lower than *all* pollsters were predicting - and surely a major reason for their failure.

Put simply their vote turned out, ours didn't

Which seems to be the case most elections, and it's one of the things we need to address.

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Definitely. Please not's have the policies ditched too. But some of those policies were clearly unacceptable to the great British unwashed. Actually there is evidence that most of Labour's key policies this time round *were* popular. Nope, what lost this was a giant irrational emotional spasm by th...

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I have just now properly registered here. I've been lurking after finding my way over via the Guardian comments ( for quite a while - I'm a shy reader...) I'd like to thank you for the comfort you didn't know you were providing. I was one of the 30 or so 'guests' that stayed through the night. My w...

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RobertSnozers wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Warning! Do NOT go on UKPR. Can't find anything but gloating Tory boys. Bastards!
And no doubt people who knew all along that a majority was on the cards

I still can't believe we've given them a majority! FFS!

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Have the Tories stolen this election? Have they cheated? The public gets what the public wants. A lot are uninformed and are happy being that way. The mess we inherited was never properly dismantled. No, because Labour was captured and neutered by the Blairites and their getting into bed with Murdo...

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RobertSnozers wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:By 2020 you will have to be 63 years old to have voted for a Labour leader who won, who wasn't Tony Blair.

We need to win. Criticising the electorate or the press is pointless.
As is selling our souls.

Well said, Robert. Have some thanks.

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mbc1955 wrote:Just at the moment, I can't help giving in to total despair. Last night I watched the country I've lived in for almost sixty years turn into an alien land. This morning I've woken up to realise that I myself am the alien. And it's bloody dark.

Thanks, same here, alien that is.

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I've been trying to catch up on some kip, but I've been crying instead. Ed is a decent man, and he may choose to resign, but the party should refuse to accept his resignation. Whether he decides to fall on his sword or they make him go, it would be wrong. For me, he represents the nearest thing in ...

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So if Ed does go. Do I want to be one of those people who doesn't support the main opposition to the Tories because its leader doesn't entirely fit my politics? It feels like bloody groundhog day. But if Labour returns to Blairism as a result of this, a lot of people *will* leave - thus entrenching...

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So if Ed does go. Do I want to be one of those people who doesn't support the main opposition to the Tories because its leader doesn't entirely fit my politics? It feels like bloody groundhog day. But if Labour returns to Blairism as a result of this, a lot of people *will* leave - thus entrenching...

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tinyclanger2 wrote:Ed Miliband and Harry Leslie Smith. Thank you both for your valiant efforts. I'm only sorry that we, the electorate, did not give you the outcome you deserved.

Love you, TC

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So if Ed does go. Do I want to be one of those people who doesn't support the main opposition to the Tories because its leader doesn't entirely fit my politics? It feels like bloody groundhog day. No, as that would just be cutting off our noses to spite our face. But, for me, it depends which way L...

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Am too upset now, going off for a bath and to freshen up. But if anyone here is closer to the Labour HQ than they let on...please tell Ed there's a woman in Wales who thanks him from the bottom of her heart. He's shown courage, and remarkable resilience. He was the sort of man this country needs. A...

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The left are well-meaning but not always very smart. A cross-party strategy to ensure we collectively kicked the Tories out would have given us a good chance to use our collective resources most efficiently to win the starting point we needed to then negotiate on other stuff. Instead what we have w...

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AngryAsWell wrote:Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft · 34 mins34 minutes ago
Ok let's now get on immediately with constituency boundary changes and reducing MPs from 650 to 600.

They don't want to wait until the day is even out, before they're talking of securing themselves power in perpetuity. No shame!

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Just to add...in my constituency the council handled the Coalition's changes in voting registration very well. Labour here got 9.7%, only 5.8% in 2010. Could that be a factor ? Has I've been avoiding the MSM, could someone please tell me what Dan Jarvis' % was, up or down? I only mention as Barnsle...

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AngryAsWell wrote:David Green retweeted
Dr Katy Shaw ‏@DrKatyShaw · 3 hrs3 hours ago
Theresa May confirms Data Communications Bill will goahead now LibDems are gone - this is Snoopers Charter. Welcome to next 5 years #GE2015

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frightful_oik wrote:5 years ago I didn't see the BBC's swing to the right coming. Social media is all the left can fight back with now. And the right can pay to astroturf that. Councils will get the blame for cuts. It's going to be tricky for sure.

Yeah, the task just became even more difficult. Have some thanks.

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I don't think "disenfrachisement" has much to do with it, tbh. Quite a bit of the polling error is that they all overestimated the turnout, sometimes considerably so. Forget the exit poll, when I saw in the first actual result that turnout was up just 1% on 2010 I feared the worst (despit...

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tinyclanger2 wrote:Looks like Miliband is about to resign.
What a terrible waste.

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SpinningHugo wrote:Banks, bookies, estate agents, seeing their share price rallying.

But, of course.

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