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What Khan actually says About the EU and Corbyn is fair and accurate https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/labour-cannot-win-jeremy-corbyn-im-voting-for-owen-smith-says-sadiq-khan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; You've made me go all Mandy Rice-Davies :D Tha...

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SpinningHugo wrote:What Khan actually says About the EU and Corbyn is fair and accurate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sadiq-khan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You've made me go all Mandy Rice-Davies

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Don't you feel the recent dire polling might have a teeny bit to do with the PLP's antics? Am I expected to reward their appalling behaviour?

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But when researchers pitched each of the Labour candidates against Ms May, asking, “Who would you rather be Prime Minister?” both Mr Corbyn and Mr Smith scored the backing of just 29 per cent of the public, with Ms May taking 71 per cent on both occasions. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...

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I know my place.

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"Labour Tomorrow" or "Labour Tomorrow Belongs to Me"? The young woman who was taken ill at the Corbyn event yesterday is OK apparently. She fainted, (it was very hot yesterday), and banged her head as she fell. So that's good news. Good morning all. Edited to add: Good news that ...

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Posted my report

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I was reading the local rag, looking for some football news, when I noticed an article about local MP Margaret Becket. As usual she was attacking the Labour Party not the Tories but the article noted that JC was giving a couple of speeches in Derbyshire today. I decided to mosey along and have a lis...

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I enjoyed the hustings. I'll put a fuller report in the JC thread later. I was impressed though.

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I'm at a Corbyn rally. Will report later.

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Morning All Apparently, Margaret Beckett is trending ;-) I understand that she said on Today 'We've had examples of people joining because of Jeremy..those arent members of Labour but members of a fan club' This will be going down great in her own constituency, which nominated, yes, Corbyn :lol: [I...

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Lord Jason and Lady Laura? They deserve it.

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It's the public that will be screwed - again ! They'll be stuck with the Cons for the forseeable future & no opposition to speak of. Not necessarily. You thought Ed was electable pk - so did I- but he wasn't. Perhaps JC is electable, if his backbenchers could be bothered to do what they were el...

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If you're the PLP, then clearly the opposite. If Corbyn wins then they're screwed - too many bad things said against him for the party to have any chance of recovery until a significant number of them are gone and gone for good. However, the situation is not much better if Smith wins. They've compl...

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How have we had a revival in social democracy? Perhaps I missed it. My understanding is that the Tories are in power. Yes we have. A social Democratic Party of over half a million members now exists. If the PLP can get their arses into gear and show some respect for the members it can do very well....

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Or sit idly by while as the UK's Social Deocratic party is destroyed Text of the court judgment is here https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/evangelou-v-mcnicol-20160808.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; i wouldn't be advising to appeal, FWIIW. Or be pl...

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Give in Or Respect the views of the members? Or sit idly by while as the UK's Social Deocratic party is destroyed Text of the court judgment is here https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/evangelou-v-mcnicol-20160808.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; i wo...

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Give in
Or
Respect the views of the members?

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It predates YPM Robert. I remember reading it in the late sixties. I see - either YM or YPM must have appropriated it then, as they have the clip with subtitles on Twitter. I can see why though - chuck in a few more expletives and you can imagine it as a Malcolm Tucker rant from The Thick Of It. Th...

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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/08/jeremy-corbyns-media-strategy-smarter-his-critics-realise Jeremy Corbyn's media strategy is smarter than his critics realise Not completely convinced. As the piece says, the papers - despite their steadily declining circulation - still have a gr...

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Someone just posted this excerpt from Yes Prime Minister on Twitter: "Don't tell me about the press. I know who reads the papers. The Mirror is read by people who think they run the country, the Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run it, the Times is read by the people who do r...

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I've just been to Bletchley Park. I'm not at liberty to tell you anything about my visit.
Quiet here today innit.

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Why Labour cannot split, despite both sides wanting to do so http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9744" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; This is the path those who voted for Corbyn took us down last summer. It was all entirely foreseeable. Nothing whatsoever to do with ...

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If the end of the world is at midnight, isn't that tomorrow?

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@mbc
Although it's fairly clear where I stand in this debate, I hope I haven't either fallen out with anybody or upset anyone. Not my intention at all. This place has had passionate debates before: politics should be passionate. I'm sure we'll all be here when the dust settles.

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'Members of Corbyn's team undermining Remain campaign'
Like Gisela Stuart and John Mann? Frank Field and Kate Hoey?

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Willow, I'm as near certain as I can be there'd have been a coup on some pretext or other eventually; that's where we differ. If I'm honest, I'm glad it's out in the open now. I want to see the PLP boil lanced good and proper.

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Thing is Willow, he may be genuinely soft left. He still a) took part in the coup and b) may well have promises to keep to the Progress mob if he succeeds. Why not serve his apprenticeship under Jeremy? I don't have a vote, but if I did, nobody who has taken part in the betrayal of a leader with an ...

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Sorry about double post. Bus wifi again.

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@freedomofthepress. It was a joke. You know trying to lighten things ups, and share stuff about ourselves as we used to do here before it became as it has recently. Hugo used the word outrage. All the 'outrage' being expressed is part of the problem, not the solution. If we feel outrage that Kinnoc...

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@freedomofthepress. It was a joke. You know trying to lighten things ups, and share stuff about ourselves as we used to do here before it became as it has recently. Hugo used the word outrage. All the 'outrage' being expressed is part of the problem, not the solution. If we feel outrage that Kinnoc...

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Owen Smith speaking on 5live now.

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bloody bus wifi

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Good posts by Robert S this morning. *tips hat*

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Someone with the kind of career outside politics that he has had is surely going to be their own person with their own convictions. Whether they are convictions I or anyone else in Labour can get behind, it's too early to tell, but I immediately find him much more relatable than Corbyn. I'd be amaz...

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If I had a vote, I wouldn't be voting for anyone. I'd vote Corbyn because I'm against the slick, thick Tory-lites that are the alternative. Same as I don't vote for Labour but against the Tories.

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Is JC the ideal leader? No. But he has his qualities. When he's interviewed for example he answers the question. I lost count of the times I saw the Umunnas, Coopers and yes, Milibands squirming to try and answer the question they wanted to be asked. This basic honesty of Corbyn's strikes a chord wi...

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I think I may be one of the respondents to that comres poll although the bloke said he was from populus. Are they connected? Anyroadup, I wasn't one of those who gave the idiot answers.

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I wonder who'll pay for those nice suits when the unions withdraw their funding.

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I'm always a critic of conspiracy theories and 'false flag' stories, but one could ask 'who benefits ?' from the window being smashed. Not that there aren't plenty of eejits around who would do it to further their egos and views. The Guardian seem to have no problem with people posting and blaming ...

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3. I don't want a 'coup'. I want him to lose in a stand up fight. Hard to achieve though. ..but surely he's the most useless Labour since the last one, how hard can it be? Very. See this board. Lots and lots of those who voted for him are not prepared to admit their error, and a large number of act...

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Imagining that the 170MPs who no-confidenced Corbyn are a homogenous bloc doesn't help in understanding the current situation. Nor does it help assuming that FTN is an homogenous block. I'm not pro-Corbyn; I'm not a Labour member or three-pounder. But I am against these gallant quislings who have d...

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Imagining that the 170MPs who no-confidenced Corbyn are a homogenous bloc doesn't help in understanding the current situation. Nor does it help assuming that FTN is an homogenous block. I'm not pro-Corbyn; I'm not a Labour member or three-pounder. But I am against these gallant quislings who have d...

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Listened to 5Live this morning where they were giving the teachers' strike extra coverage. Can't remember the name of the reporter, (Clive Barnett perhaps?), but he was dreadful. If I say he said 'These commie traitors should be hung', I'd only be slightly exaggerating. Then they had a debate with a...

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Another stupid idea... Would it be possible to acknowledge the result of the referendum, and try and accommodate the motivations/arguments behind the way people voted (both in & out), without having to trigger article 50? Basically I'm thinking along the lines of 'buying off' some of the brexit...

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Nobody wants to be the one to press the button with A50 written on it. Cameron certainly didn't, Boris doesn't. He wants to come riding to the rescue later after a Damascene conversion when more of the country has seen their folly. It's my guess that in five years' time you'll struggle to find anyon...

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Here is the kicker though. Most of the Corbyn supporters do not get involved in actual campaigning. This means they live in a facebook bubble and do not hear the feedback from the voters. See Chi's post earlier this week. If MPs thought Corbyn was popular we would not be where we are today. The blu...

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Voters are important obviously, but the real point is that Labour cannot reach out to them effectively without strength on the ground. It cannot thrive, or maybe even survive, as a "zombie" party dependent on rich donors and favourable media coverage. Tories can (at least for the time bei...

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Siling down at the mo. Trapped in arts centre. Biblical stuff.

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PorFavor wrote:Pat Glass has resigned.

She was the one calling someone a racist during the campaign wasn't she?

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