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onebuttonmonkey

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2nVsmxWgAAYbe4.jpg Brexit is now basically the Tory Government. This also makes me even more baffled why there isn't a proper, organised opposition to Brexit from everyone across the house. Of course Farron is a mealy-mouthed hypocrite. But he's also excellent useful id...

onebuttonmonkey

Excellent post OneButtonMonkey. Well put and echoing views that many people I've met in the real world are articulating, even some who felt favourably towards JC. How many people have you met from other worlds, yahyah? ;) ;) Quite a few. I mean people not part of the ''You are a Blairite if you can...

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As onebuttonmonkey says, we are living in very strange times. Thanks for the above post onebuttonmonkey, you put succinctly the thoughts that have been taking me days to try to formulate into words. Agree with every word. Well, I'm glad it's not just me. I had a few exasperated conversations with p...

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As onebuttonmonkey says, we are living in very strange times. Thanks for the above post onebuttonmonkey, you put succinctly the thoughts that have been taking me days to try to formulate into words. Agree with every word. Well, I'm glad it's not just me. I had a few exasperated conversations with p...

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I was just thinking yesterday how compelling Owen Smith has been in opposing the trigger of Article 50. Not. Yes, but he's not the bloody leader, is he? I mean, yes, he's rubbish and all, and yes, one of the many problems Labour faces is that the alternatives are no alternative. Like bloody Starmer...

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2? 3? They're the party of Brexit. Aren't they, you know, the baddies? Ultimately Tory Brexit rebels could be key players in this Parliament, depending on how Brexit plays out. What if there is a vote on May's final deal and all the opposition MPs come out against it? With such a wafer thin majorit...

onebuttonmonkey

AnatolyKasparov wrote:For the first time, I am no longer sure that the Labour party can hold together in its present form.

Sorry I can't be more cheerful this morning.......

I know exactly what you mean. And I feel pretty much the same.

onebuttonmonkey

Afternoon all. I hardly ever come here or go to the other place anymore. Even if I wasn't so busy at work, a simple reason is I'm heartily sick of politics. If I started listing the reasons, I'd run out of characters. This Labour thing is, in many ways, the final straw. And, rather than waste a lot ...

onebuttonmonkey

If Dan F. Hodges saying "Jeremy Corbyn and his alien brood .. see the party eaten alive by horrible monsters" is the same as "quite good", then... well, as Mr. Snozers says, I might have heard everything too. Just. Well...

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http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/corbyn-and-the-political-economy-of-nostalgia/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Van_Reenen_%28economist%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; John Van Reenen (economist) In 2000–2001 he was a senior advisor to the Secretary of State f...

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This made me chuckle: Jon Stone ‏@joncstone 14m14 minutes ago At this rate everyone voting for Liz Kendall will have written an article about it I've filed the thoughts of David Miliband in the same arid, tumbleweed-addled cabinet as I keep a slender volume entitled "The Wit and Wisdom of Peter...

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Sorry - no. But I found this at opendemocracy - Questions over NATO Anti-imperialism trumps other factors too. Take Corbyn’s approach to NATO, which Labour helped establish. Last year, Corbyn berated the 'enormous expansion of NATO into a global force' and urged a 'serious debate about Britain’s ov...

onebuttonmonkey

Morning. Just ignore Mandelson. He isn't worth the rise in blood pressure. I think everyone but the media has been ignoring him for a decade OBM's nicked your line on twitter. Or great minds think alike. :) I've only just started my daily lurk, so this is an unintentional theft. Mandy isn't worth i...

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Exactly. Especially younger voters. Some within the party - sincerely, I believe, if it matters - have no idea how it looks to those outside. The people we need to convince aren't those already inside. And we don't do that by brand-awareness. It's the perception of marketing that repulses the very ...

onebuttonmonkey

I'm not sure Blair will ever understand how much Iraq turned away former Labour voters. Exactly. Especially younger voters. Some within the party - sincerely, I believe, if it matters - have no idea how it looks to those outside. The people we need to convince aren't those already inside. And we do...

onebuttonmonkey

No. It's toxicity distilled into a sentence. Nothing - no Reeves, no Byrne, no policy however misguided, nothing has made me as absolutely sick of the state of supposedly left wing politics - or of what Labour is supposed to be for - as that. Words are weapons. Meanings matter. And this is everythi...

onebuttonmonkey

The risk is that Corbyn will contaminate the brand Yep. That says it all. The brand . Because politics is consumerism. Because it's not a party, it's a brand . How low have we fallen that some of our own supporters have internalised this facile market garbage? In short: I don't buy that. And anyway...

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The risk is that Corbyn will contaminate the brand Yep. That says it all. The brand . Because politics is consumerism. Because it's not a party, it's a brand . How low have we fallen that some of our own supporters have internalised this facile market garbage? In short: I don't buy that. And anyway...

onebuttonmonkey

Contrary to what I fear may be popular belief, I've no desire to be fractious in here. So, given some posters think it's become a Corbyn-fest - and as I'm certainly as guilty of banging on about that as much as (if not far more than) anyone - I think it might be best for the collective mood if I wen...

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If it's true - it might be journalese - then it's one of the most hapless, idiotic things they could do. It screams "my judgment is too poor to be leader." This process they were all supporting before someone they didn't like did well is unfair? Please. You know how I said we do most dama...

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If it's true - it might be journalese - then it's one of the most hapless, idiotic things they could do. It screams "my judgment is too poor to be leader." This process they were all supporting before someone they didn't like did well is unfair? Please. You know how I said we do most damag...

onebuttonmonkey

Oh good grief:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 7779177472

Sam Coates TimesVerified account ‏@SamCoatesTimes
Breaking - the 3 non-Corbyn campaigns getting together to write a letter of complaint to Labour HQ about unfairness at process

What dignity, eh.

onebuttonmonkey

I look forward* to Dan Hodges' column on why Yvette Cooper's intervention is bad news for Ed Miliband.

* By "look forward to" I mean "do not look forward to"

Edit: apostrophe. *sigh*

onebuttonmonkey

I would caution against predictions about what Corbyn will do as leader as regards particular policies. He won't try and impose his views, in my opinion, and will try to gain consensus for everything. I expect he sees his role more as a Harold Wilson figure, holding the party together from the cent...

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It doesn't help that those in Westminster who ought to know better keep playing devils advocate http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33873722 ScreenShot00618.jpg What, Simon Daczuk acting like a massive arsehole to the general detriment of his party? It must be Tuesday. Funny, Danczuk getting so e...

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Completely off-topic, but something I hope you may be interested in. The UK’s proposed 10-year max jail term for file sharing must be stopped http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/08/the-uks-proposed-10-year-max-jail-term-for-online-copyright-infringement-must-be-stopped/ Op-ed: Fortunately, it'...

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I tend to agree with ephemerid that opinion has been fairly well spread here among most of the candidates - there are a handful of people who prefer Corbyn, and we are vocal, but, overall, I've felt that the split here was far more balanced. Anyway, I posted this over at the other place, because I ...

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I tend to agree with ephemerid that opinion has been fairly well spread here among most of the candidates - there are a handful of people who prefer Corbyn, and we are vocal, but, overall, I've felt that the split here was far more balanced. Anyway, I posted this over at the other place, because I t...

onebuttonmonkey

How about we start again ? Full English breakfast, delicious vegetarian version available. Chocolate & plain croissants, toast and some of RR's bramble jam, posh coffee or builders tea. Am sure OhSo will have some baked goodies in the cupboard too. I'll join you in that Yahyah :) ..and will - f...

onebuttonmonkey

Can I just say that everyone I disagree with is an idiot? But that I don't need to say why, or offer anything but put-downs and pompous assertions? And everything these people remember, have experienced or thought is wrong and unelectable. And history is exactly as the tory media says it is, and sa...

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Allow me to suggest all those people who think Corbyn is electable should turn the argument round rather than accusing me of being unreasonable in assuming he isn't. Tell me what special circumstances exist that means what was politically toxic since before the 80s is suddenly going to deliver a vi...

onebuttonmonkey

I have to say that it's to Burnham's credit that he's engaging with the clear desire for some different policies. I admit to having sneered a little (man-of-the-people hat, indeed; in my defence, I had my own satire hat on) but it's infinitely preferable to the "I won't work with him" nons...

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Can I suggest the argument Corbyn is unelectable, but so is anybody else so let's vote for Corbyn is shockingly bad. I don't see why it's any different. Except for the fact that you are convinced Corbyn is unelectable, that is. Premise conclusion, conclusion premise. You are adamant that Corbyn can...

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The man elected eight times who we're supposed to believe is unelectable http://www.virtualeconomics.co.uk/2015/08/the-man-elected-eight-times-who-were-supposed-to-believe-is-unelectable.html It is the last resort of a political elite, terrified that they are about to face an actual dissenting voic...

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The man elected eight times who we're supposed to believe is unelectable http://www.virtualeconomics.co.uk/2015/08/the-man-elected-eight-times-who-were-supposed-to-believe-is-unelectable.html It is the last resort of a political elite, terrified that they are about to face an actual dissenting voice...

onebuttonmonkey

Have spent some time looking for YC, LK & JC manifestoes but with no luck, they either have not produced one or they have not been published yet. I did find a Telegraph article setting out JC's policies (seemingly without bias) but not sure it's right to use that in his folder - so have not put...

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Bold and radical alone,plays well in the gallery,it will however ensure Labour will be consigned to the opposition benches.The most progression was made via a broad church with the nominally right of the party playing a pivotal role engendering cross party support,for example Morris,whose legislati...

onebuttonmonkey

By the way: I was in about the fifth or sixth row. I tweeted a picture looking back from my seat some fifteen, thirty minutes before it started.

https://twitter.com/onebuttonmonkey/sta ... 76/photo/1

In case anyone wonders why it's so exciting and invigorating.

onebuttonmonkey

There's one way to beat Corbyn, you know. Offer something better. Pity none of the other candidates have thought of doing that. I think you're half right. There's two ways to beat Corbyn: 1) Offer something better, or 2) If he's so wrong, win the argument. Cooper and Kendall have, instead, used a l...

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Last time we were told - ad infinitum - that the 'wrong brother' won. And it never went away. That de-legitimising narrative pursued Ed to the end. This time - why do I feel we are being set up to be told - ad infinitum - that the 'wrong candidate' has won? Various factions determined to delegitimi...

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Over at the other place, I was slightly grizzled at yesterday for having written about Burnham without having done a similar piece on all the rest. Apparently this means I'm as bad as the journalists I might criticise. *sigh* It's a funny old election. But then, they all are. Anyway, as you'll remem...

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Sorry to disagree with you TE but I do here. There is absolutely no way that the leadership contest can be called off now and the evidence it is being "subverted" is, to put it at its most non-committal, highly tenuous. If the outcome is Corbyn winning due to the support of those just pay...

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I am increasingly of the opinion that the leadership contest needs immediate intervention to: Roll the eligible voters back to GE+1 month. Dump the 35K union registrations Refund every genuine applicant their 3 pounds and apologise profusely. In the old days you had a years qualifying as a member t...

onebuttonmonkey

I honestly don't know what to say to this. Is it satire? I followed the link through to young Theo's own website and read some of his other articles. I can't make him out, to be honest. Good morfternoon, everyone. I did the same after you said that - I was expecting a fanatical free-market evangeli...

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''Jeremy Corbyn's suggestion that Tony Blair could be tried for war crimes is based on a complete fantasy The invasion of Iraq may have turned out to be a disaster, but it was not an illegal one'' http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/jeremy-corbyns-suggestion-that-tony-blair-could-be-tried-f...

onebuttonmonkey

Re Corbyn & Newsnight, I did expressly say or the subject of discussion on Newsnight ? so not just appearances by him & I was clearly not solely referring to Newsnight but the media generally. Ok ok I get it folks, I'm in a minority because I don't go along with the Corbyn-mania that seems ...

onebuttonmonkey

@ephemerid - as an aside that doesn't answer the other question, but might interest you, Corbyn said at the thing yesterday he'd done 43 events so far, not including the hustings. I've had invites from each of the others, so there's clearly lots going on. Somewhat predictably - and I shan't name the...

onebuttonmonkey

"Making a difference". I love that one. I'm just off to toss a brick through my neighbour's front window. That should make a difference . . . May I be the first to congratulate you on your innovative and progressive programme of much needed aperture reform. Aspirational voters will be sur...

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If taken to extremes, it could be argued any talk of renationalising the railways is misleading, given a large chunk was already renationalised by the last Labour government. As someone whose financial circumstances over the years has meant I'm as likely to be travelling by National Express as by t...

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I know this has already been covered, but the more I read this tweet, the more it irritates me. I know it's only a tweet trying to grab attention but, well, I mean, what words mean matters . And, whoever wins, I want to see the party let go its feverish grasp of furiously empty adjectives and banal...

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