A truly disgraceful comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.As others pointed out how much enslavement, rape and murder of women and non believers is acceptable in Corbyn's mind?
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- Fri 21 Aug, 2015 10:37 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 21st August 2015
- Replies: 164
- Views: 25629
Re: Friday 21st August 2015
- Mon 17 Aug, 2015 11:47 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 17th August 2015
- Replies: 198
- Views: 27604
Re: Monday 17th August 2015
l see the troll is still having a laugh.
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 11:07 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
...but I don't think I can keep it up...so I'd better go and do something else...
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 11:05 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
I'm being very determinedly polite, atm
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 11:04 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
Mud flinging it is, then.
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 10:22 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
What it showed was his terrible judgment. No, it didn't. He has always supported a united Ireland, and almost certainly always will. So 'judgement' doesn't come into it. He would have made his decision about the agreement based on whether it was more or less likely to bring about a united Ireland a...
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 10:17 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
letskiptotheleft - ultra-leftists are the pits and always have been. Don't let them put you off.
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 10:11 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
Lucky, then, that it is also what he has always believed in.That is of course his best hope of staying on.
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 9:34 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
That's a reasonable piece by Burnham, but again fails to join the dots, for me. If we do have a new and much better system of technical education, who will employ the students when they have finished? It's supply side stuff, though better than not training people at all. Capital is not interested in...
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 8:16 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
Someone mentioned the Anglo-Irish agreement as if it was some damning indictment that Corbyn didn't support it. But hardly anyone supported that Anglo-Irish agreement outside parliament, and it was certainly seen as provocative by the Unionists, who organised mass campaigns of civil disobedience. Pe...
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 8:07 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
Tubby from yesterday evening: But back to the other question- what value do Corbynesque investment bank bonds have? Why should they have a value on open markets? And why shouldn't they, come to that? In the crash, no one in the private markets could trust the value of what was being traded, and ther...
- Fri 14 Aug, 2015 7:32 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 14th August 2015
- Replies: 232
- Views: 34278
Re: Friday 14th August 2015
Burnham's article for the MS:
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-62 ... dCez7My0v8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-62 ... dCez7My0v8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 1:28 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
I mean you could tell it was a dreadful policy because the media, the city and the tories all welcomed it
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 1:23 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
The Bank doesn't want to do more QE. Well, so what? I think handing control of interest rates to the BoE, and from there to the city and its markets, was a strategic error of the worst sort. It was a tory policy, and it completed the deregulation of the bond system, preferred brokers etc, which use...
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 12:42 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
We have just had the disaster, surely.I think it's heading for disaster, and I'm no Blairite.
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 12:38 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
I remember, back in the late 70s, when Labour was losing all those by-elections and the end was in sight for the Callaghan government - this was before the break-down of the Social Contract aka 'the winter of discontent' - that there was some ineluctable change in things, and that no amount of argum...
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 12:26 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
Is there any evidence that the unions are giving Corbyn data that they are holding back from other campaigns?
I haven't had anything from any campaign, as yet, but I have had some contact from Unite telling me to expect a ballot paper soon.
I haven't had anything from any campaign, as yet, but I have had some contact from Unite telling me to expect a ballot paper soon.
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 12:23 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
What if you honestly believed the Labour party, which you had led, was headed for disaster. Could you say nothing? Well, I don't believe a word he says. If he says the Labour party is heading for disaster, he means something else from what most people understand by those words. He wants to put the ...
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 11:20 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
Unite is recommending Corbyn first and Burnham second preference.
Angela Eagle and Tom Watson for deputy, with no preference from the Executive.
Angela Eagle and Tom Watson for deputy, with no preference from the Executive.
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 11:18 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
What should Miliband say? Support the people who hampered and attacked my leadership at every turn, for the sake of the party?I am, I confess, very surprised at Brown and Miliband. Why have they said nothing?
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 11:15 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
It would have been so much better for the party, the campaign and all the candidates if they had concentrated their fire on the enemy, not one of their own.
And some more ideas for the future of the party and the country.
Far too much naval-gazing and second-guessing the tories.
And some more ideas for the future of the party and the country.
Far too much naval-gazing and second-guessing the tories.
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 10:58 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
Of course they will lie. They lied in 1945 too, when people had had enough of the old ways. They said Clem Attlee would bring in the Gestapo.
Of course, if Clem had agreed, or failed to counter that lie, we wouldn't have won then either.
Of course, if Clem had agreed, or failed to counter that lie, we wouldn't have won then either.
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 9:27 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
Thanks for that link yahyah. I see the tories have come to the conclusion that all the problems in Greece are the result of electing Syriza, not the other way round, as most people might think. This absurdity will become the new common sense in the media. As for Hezbollah, the current government is ...
- Thu 13 Aug, 2015 8:44 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Thursday 13th August
- Replies: 173
- Views: 24711
Re: Thursday 13th August
Here's Yvette Cooper's piece in the Morning Star :
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8c ... cxKc7My0v8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8c ... cxKc7My0v8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 11:54 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
I was hoping you wouldn't notice, PorFavor, and was busy polishing my fingernails.
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 11:53 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
I would caution against predictions about what Corbyn will do as leader as regards particular policies. He won't try and impose his views, in my opinion, and will try to gain consensus for everything. I expect he sees his role more as a Harold Wilson figure, holding the party together from the centr...
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 11:02 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
The tories all know they are protecting their class and interests, it's just a question of tactics for them. On our side, principle comes into play, and that allows for much greater misunderstanding, both innocent and deliberate.
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 10:40 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
Do try and catch up Robert. It's Wednesday.
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 10:35 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
Point taken AAW, but I'm sure they means 'as currently constituted' as do so many others on the left. I don't share the values of this labour party particularly, the party of welfare caps, austerity and cuts, which is why I am voting to change it.
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 10:32 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
The thing that struck me in Kendall's article is that she shrinks from the measures that would bring about what she says she wants. She says she wants workers to enjoy greater power and rights, but does not commit to repealing the anti-union laws that shackle workers. She says she wants greater loca...
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 10:23 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
I see that Ken Loach has been refused a vote in the leadership election. Not a surprise, I suppose, since he formed Left Unity two years ago. But I remember my very first meeting as a delegate to the local party GMC, where I was far too scared to say a word, and I was impressed by this meek looking ...
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 9:30 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
That's politics!What concerns me is the extremism on both sides...those who call Kendall, Cooper & Burnham obscene names because they disagree, and the right of the party who are calling gloom and destruction yet will do their very best to rip the party apart if Corbyn dare win.
- Wed 12 Aug, 2015 9:20 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Wednesday 12th August 2015
- Replies: 192
- Views: 31002
Re: Wednesday 12th August 2015
The impossible seems to be happening in the USA :
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Sanders could win the Democratic nomination.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251512442" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sanders could win the Democratic nomination.
- Tue 11 Aug, 2015 9:13 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 11th August 2015
- Replies: 122
- Views: 22165
Re: Tuesday 11th August 2015
To be frank, the responses I had yesterday upset me. I hate all this pointless rowing and confrontation and doubly hate it when people won't debate properly, here of all places.
We can all assert and proclaim and brook no differences, it's just not good behaviour, in my opinion.
We can all assert and proclaim and brook no differences, it's just not good behaviour, in my opinion.
- Tue 11 Aug, 2015 9:10 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 11th August 2015
- Replies: 122
- Views: 22165
Re: Tuesday 11th August 2015
Here we go again.
- Tue 11 Aug, 2015 8:57 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 11th August 2015
- Replies: 122
- Views: 22165
Re: Tuesday 11th August 2015
but pk1, I haven't said or tweeted those things, here or anywhere else, and my earlier comment was as a result of reading the responses to my comments yesterday. And it is the first comment I have ever made that could be deemed as any sort of attack on any one else here. And you weigh in as if I do ...
- Tue 11 Aug, 2015 8:55 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 11th August 2015
- Replies: 122
- Views: 22165
Re: Tuesday 11th August 2015
If Kendal, Cooper or Burnham wins there won't be a media/tory campaign to split the party, but there will be if Corbyn wins.
- Tue 11 Aug, 2015 8:14 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 11th August 2015
- Replies: 122
- Views: 22165
Re: Tuesday 11th August 2015
Can I just say that everyone I disagree with is an idiot? But that I don't need to say why, or offer anything but put-downs and pompous assertions? And everything these people remember, have experienced or thought is wrong and unelectable. And history is exactly as the tory media says it is, and say...
- Mon 10 Aug, 2015 1:41 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 10th August 2015
- Replies: 136
- Views: 22661
Re: Monday 10th August 2015
I won't dignify the rest of the bollocks that equates my arguments with idiots like Cheney with a response. Look, it is just my opinion, offered up for people to think about and respond to. I am not trying to upset you, but that's what seems to happen quite a lot when I post a comment. I don't want...
- Mon 10 Aug, 2015 1:33 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 10th August 2015
- Replies: 136
- Views: 22661
Re: Monday 10th August 2015
No one would have predicted this just a few months ago, so who can be sure what's going to happen next?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128035125" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128035125" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Mon 10 Aug, 2015 1:27 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 10th August 2015
- Replies: 136
- Views: 22661
Re: Monday 10th August 2015
I'm tempted to ask you who is going to win the Grand National next spring.Trump will not win the Republican nomination. Sanders will not win the Democratic one either.
- Mon 10 Aug, 2015 1:21 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 10th August 2015
- Replies: 136
- Views: 22661
Re: Monday 10th August 2015
Another possible big difference, Ephemerid, is that the USA may have a socialist President by the time we have a general election here. It may sound absolutely crazy, but if Sanders wins the primaries against Clinton and faces Trump as the Republican candidate, he has a good chance of winning. He's ...
- Mon 10 Aug, 2015 1:15 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 10th August 2015
- Replies: 136
- Views: 22661
Re: Monday 10th August 2015
The weapons are 'ours' in that the US told us to buy them, from them, and won't allow us to use them, except with their permission. If you think the US will allow the UK to set of a nuclear war, you are the one that is wrong, not me. As for the Soviet Union 'withdrawing' from the eastern bloc countr...
- Mon 10 Aug, 2015 10:57 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 10th August 2015
- Replies: 136
- Views: 22661
Re: Monday 10th August 2015
Also, regarding CND, we ought not to forget that there was a major shift in geo-political strategy - to accompany the change in economic approach - of launching a new Cold War, after a decade of detente and peaceful cooperation. That was a political move originating in US strategic interests, not th...
- Mon 10 Aug, 2015 10:50 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 10th August 2015
- Replies: 136
- Views: 22661
Re: Monday 10th August 2015
CND was a mass movement, but was still utterly rejected by the vast majority of the country. This is news to me. Not that it was a mass movement, but that it was 'utterly rejected by the vast majority'. If I remember correctly the '83 and '87 elections did not really discuss nuclear disarmament at ...
- Sun 09 Aug, 2015 11:22 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
- Replies: 218
- Views: 28181
Re: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
The current clause IV is also outdated. We are at the end of neo-liberalism's tide, not its beginning.
Corbyn is not saying he wants to 'restore' the old Clause IV, but that we need a new one and that it needs to be widely debated.
Corbyn is not saying he wants to 'restore' the old Clause IV, but that we need a new one and that it needs to be widely debated.
- Sun 09 Aug, 2015 11:14 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
- Replies: 218
- Views: 28181
Re: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
The closer we get to the situation facing people - our parents and grandparents- in the 1930s, the more impossible it seems for many of us that we can ever do what they did and turn the situation on its head. But we can, you know. It might seem impossible to us that we can have full employment and p...
- Sun 09 Aug, 2015 10:55 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
- Replies: 218
- Views: 28181
Re: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
As I said the other day, this appears to be a general phenomenon in western countries. Bernie Sanders is the US's Corbyn. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128034231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Obviously different there in terms of winning power, but the same ideologi...
- Sat 08 Aug, 2015 10:04 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
- Replies: 218
- Views: 28181
Re: Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August
I wonder how long the Daily Mail has had 'links' with this Paul Eisen? They must have known him, or been willing to talk to him, despite being a holocaust denier...and who was it tangentially related to this story who also had 'links' to the Daily Mail, back in the day? Edited to add that I further ...
- Fri 07 Aug, 2015 10:19 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 7th August 2015
- Replies: 87
- Views: 14702
Re: Friday 7th August 2015
Also, as I pointed out to some incomprehension last week, the only reason we have this system in place now is because of Falkirk, and Miliband's crumpling under pressure from the right wing press to change the electoral system and isolate the unions, particularly Unite. Hence the special conference ...