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Black balaclava morons do their best to ensure Rees-Mogg is elected ader of o Tories. Rees-Mogg v Corbyn. The lunatic id of both parties against each other. How did we get to this? Well lets be brutal about it shall we. Largely because "sensible centrists" (whether of the Blairite, Orange...

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Black balaclava morons do their best to ensure Rees-Mogg is elected ader of o Tories. Rees-Mogg v Corbyn. The lunatic id of both parties against each other. How did we get to this? That sounds an excellent idea about Rees-Mogg. Corbyn got elected because when Miliband lost Labour's putative leaders...

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Black balaclava morons do their best to ensure Rees-Mogg is elected ader of o Tories.

Rees-Mogg v Corbyn. The lunatic id of both parties against each other. How did we get to this?

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I know we don't do polls, but that yougov poll is astonishing. The Tories are defying gravity considering their complete disarray. Brexit, Brexit and Brexit. Which opens at least the possibility that polls are in fact overstating their likely support in an election campaign when the focus *will* si...

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In other news, Sadiq seems to be on rather better terms with Jez these days doesn't he? Which, to avoid any doubt, is a thoroughly good thing. They clearly loathe one another Ah, I forgot that you were a body language - not to mention mind reading - expert. In addition to all your other skills :P L...

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Got you, thanks.

I think we can agree that nobody thinks imuch to do with Brexit.

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Two rather contrasting by-election results yesterday. And no, the Sunderland one wasn't "ABOUT BREXIT" however much the #FBFE melts proclaim otherwise :D Indeed. A Brexit effect might have had precisely the opposite outcome! What a peculiar view. Why? If you oppose Brexit surely you'd vot...

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In other news, Sadiq seems to be on rather better terms with Jez these days doesn't he? Which, to avoid any doubt, is a thoroughly good thing. They clearly loathe one another. I'm with the mayor. The Campaign group have never forgotten anything, and will never forgive. See the composition of the sh...

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I know we don't do polls, but that yougov poll is astonishing. The Tories are defying gravity considering their complete disarray.

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I think what I've said is full of positive reasons to do it now. It's straight talking, economically responsible, solves Ireland, Givraltar and will get a better deal. Drift and get pushed into it, and that's far weaker. Make a virtue of it. I think we'll get a Labour commitment to permanent custom...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Both of you have a good argument here, that's what makes deciding on the best Brexit strategy so difficult for Labour!

Notice that you're calculating it all in terms of what is best for your political side.

Not is what is, you know, right and wrong.

Politics as sport.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, the last point shouldn't be forgotten. The #FBFE brigade now shouting "but the referendum was ADVISORY!!!" convinces absolutely no one.

We're now long past the point where anyone maes that argument. Parliament voted to trigger art 50 without conditions. We're leaving.

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Good discussion above. Of course, part of the problem is that the question of how Labour should approach Brexit is so bound up in internal pro/anti-Corbyn politics. But it isn't a proxy for that. Right from the start one of the central problems with Corbyn (and McDonnel, and Milne, and Fisher, and ...

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I think this is an argument about strategy rather than about principles but the problem I have is that, even in the short term, you leave yourself in the position of arguing in favour of a situation that will leave us worse off than we are now, and will actually create a political situation that ha...

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FFS, this government is so awful

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Have we had this? https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/brexit-is-fantastic-project.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+MainlyMacro+(mainly+macro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) tl;dr No sane government or parliament will allow an ...

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Rather a good joke at the start of this, and I agree about the NEC intervention https://capx.co/abuse-of-haringeys-leader-reveals-corbyns-labour-as-a-public-menace/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; No real view on the details of the Haringey scheme though as I haven't looked ...

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Got a bit embroiled on Twitter this afternoon. But amidst the shouting, someone did point me at this very well written thread about the Labour Brexit strategy https://twitter.com/KevinEwert1/status/951614923976658951" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Proposition 4 is not plau...

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Still some #FBPE bods saying "It's about time Labour...." when right now they are going to the House to secure release of the "impact" document. More positively, I notice some #FBPE starting to reach out towards the Labour leadership position. This is good news! I noted another ...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Peer pressure certainly isn't just confined to young people, though.

That was one reason why I wasn't convinced about thus extending the franchise, but as I said the 2014 experience was reassuring in that regard.

Herds are very comforting, even as you go over the cliff.

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:19 April 2017

Caroline Lucas, the co-leader of the Green Party, is calling for the Government to bring in legislation to allow 16 and 17-year-olds vote in the snap General Election.

Quite.

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Tories reckon Lidington nailed her with "old enough to vote but not old enough to use a sunbed". I'd be much more impressed if these arguments for changing the voting age came from a party that would not benefit in terms of votes. Any age is more or less arbitrary. There has to be a rule.

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Some folk say Labour's front bench is useless. Well hot on the heels of Debbie Abrahams being part of the successful PIP campaign it looks like Angela Rayner has a modest victory Carillion apprentices will continue to be paid. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/apprenticeshiputurn_uk_5a70c9c4e4b...

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Sure, emotion often trumps reason. That's not a justification for giving up. I don't agree, and nor do you. Brexit is not going to be stopped. All that is left is apportioning blame to those responsible, and mocking those who have damaged the UK who should have known better. Brexit won't be stopped...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Sure, emotion often trumps reason. That's not a justification for giving up.

I don't agree, and nor do you. Brexit is not going to be stopped. All that is left is apportioning blame to those responsible, and mocking those who have damaged the UK who should have known better.

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For Labour, reports like this certainly give credence to saying that no version of Brexit will give us the economic benefits we have now, so that test has been failed. Which has been blindingly obvious from the start. As there is no result other than staying in the single market and customs union t...

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The point is, as evidence grows of how disastrous a no deal "hard" Brexit would be even some in the Tory party will moderate their approach. They HAVE to. The bottom line is that reality-averse fanatics like Redwood and JRM are actually a minority even amongst Tory MPs. Sooner or later th...

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Reason v Emotion Reason rarely matters in politics. The cultural factors ("Britain must be free") and emotional ones ("we need change") are far more important. Anyone paying the remotest attention knows Brexit is terrible and will make the poorest in particular much poorer overti...

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I do like these calls for Corbyn to "get off the fence" on the single market.

He isn't on the fence!

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citizenJA wrote:We just don't know.

You think I'm possessed?

But if I am, and as you don't know who I am, why would that matter to you out here in the internet?

Of all the complaints,that I express opinions without adding the words "this is my opinion"is the weirdest. In my opinion.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:In your opinion.

Who else's would it be do you think? Am I chaneling a third person without knowing it?

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Dynamite if true https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/the-governments-own-brexit-analysis-says-the-uk-will-be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the-governments-own-brexit-analysis-says-the-uk-will-be bit of a cliff-hanger there :lol: Everyone rational already knows this. ...

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frog222 wrote:. Even QE's deliberate objective to lower interest rates

That is just flat wrong. Interest rates are at the zlb. Because rates cannot go negative, QE is the nearest monetary policy equivalent. Without QE rates would be below the zlb for longer.

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The Monday afternoon inner sanctum politburo is the most interesting fact here

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Is there anyone serious advising McDonnell now on economics? Clearly the Council members are now considered anti-Corbynite Quislings, so who else has he recruited? On googling, this is all I found, which fills me with gloom about the future. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-mcdonnell-s-econo...

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Is there anyone serious advising McDonnell now on economics? Clearly the Council members are now considered anti-Corbynite Quislings, so who else has he recruited? On googling, this is all I found, which fills me with gloom about the future. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-mcdonnell-s-econom...

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Ann Pettifor ‏ @AnnPettifor 3h3 hours ago More Weakest calendar year GDP data for 5 years, driven by slowdown in services output - @geofftily https://www.tuc.org.uk/blogs/weakest-gdp-growth-5-years-driven-slowdown-services-output" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … Incidental...

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A lot of food for thought in the Lords' response to the EU Withdrawal Bill https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/29/eu-withdrawal-bill-major-rewrites-house-of-lords-committee-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; eu-withdrawal-bill-major-rewrites-house-of-lords-com...

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A defensible position@ "I deplore what JC did, but I support Labour anyway." As I understand it, that is what AK thinks. An indefensible position "I don't understand what JC did wrong. It was fine." No. Appearing on Iranian State TV like that is not ok. Nor is lying about it tod...

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RogerOThornhill wrote:Wonder how the Green Party are doing - anyone know?

Farless successfully than they deserve. Lies win. See Trump.

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A defensible position@ "I deplore what JC did, but I support Labour anyway." As I understand it, that is what AK thinks. An indefensible position "I don't understand what JC did wrong. It was fine." No. Appearing on Iranian State TV like that is not ok. Nor is lying about it today,

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This is interesting re: Corbyn's work for Press TV. https://www.thejeremycorbyneffect.com/jeremycorbyn/jeremy-corbyn-and-those-press-tv-allegations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; It claims that Corbyn didn't receive payment in 2012 from Press TV, rather that it was a mis-r...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Press TV is horrid, yes. Corbyn stopped appearing on there some time before it was even dreamed he could become Labour leader.

And you think that provides an excuse for his appearance (or today's "factually incorrect"explanation) how?

People really should watch him on iPlayer if you can.

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Hello everyone. A very rare visit for me and an interjection. Iranian TV The controversy here concerns an occasion when Corbyn appeared on the Iranian channel Press TV — accepting a fee to host a current affairs call-in. Press TV has been accused of airing false confessions, providing a platform fo...

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Like Sadiq Khan and Burnham, getting out the best option

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Bit quiet today, innit?

Corbyn did a cracking job explaining why I'll be voting elsewhere while he is leader.

Flat lies about his appearances on Press TV.

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frog222 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Petitifor is an MMT enthusiast. Not very sensible.

I had my own quibbles/disagreements on the article, which you yourself had ALSO very obviously not read !

Your short 'comment' above is a a typical Dismissive Trolling Event

Petitifor is one small notch above Murphy. MMT is a faith.

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Petitifor is an MMT enthusiast. Not very sensible.

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All of this blog's posts on housing are worth reading. https://medium.com/@ian.mulheirn/fixing-our-broken-housing-crystal-ball-6d6405963e0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Many here won't like it, but the takeaway is that the increase in cost is caused by low interest rates, ...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Not as daft as Hilary Benn being favourite to succeed Corbyn for much of the time before the last GE, Chuka had genuinely laughable odds too.

Well, you can see how punters had not quite grasped that the Labour party membership of 2017 didn't remotely resemble the membership of 2010l

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