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AnatolyKasparov wrote:The real point is that, in recent weeks, SH has become boring. And I never used to think that of them, despite our many and at times heated differences.

'Them ?'

I think we've been there before, at CiF !

MaM perhaps ?

Late 'ere , nitol !

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I'm not off because of Hugo. It's the whole tenor of the place. I find myself arguing for Corbyn, who I never wanted as leader really, and for his Brexit stance, when I'm a fervent pro-European. And then I find myself trimming those arguments because I'm "Admin". Despite the best efforts ...

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I did tell Tem off for that :) But its the little dishonesties that all add up over time, for instance that tonight "Labour voted to leave the EU". No, they (most of them, anyway) voted to begin the PROCESS of doing so - because the actual electorate had voted to do that (to the sorrow of...

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Hugo is going to destroy this forum - he needs to be banned forever. There, I've said it. I've found some of his links most interesting, even though there appears to be a GroupThink Rule to almost always NOT give him a reccommend. ( I've noticed some exceptions tho ) I don't know any of you people ...

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Yeah. All Labour's fault. A referendum they didn't want. It's what I always wanted from a left leaning forum. Spend all day criticising Labour. It's so rewarding. And so lovely to let the Tories just skate on by wrecking the place. Just perfect ;-) --------------------------------------------------...

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Yeah vote Green for don't trigger Article 50 just yet. That'll be better. Good luck to you ;-) Too late now. We just left. But I judge parties by what they do. Labour just voted to Ake the poor poorer. Worse. Their MPs know it. Shame. Shame. Shame. Yeah. All Labour's fault. A referendum they didn't...

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frog222 Some discussion here,if you haven't seen:- https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/feb/06/universities-minister-announces-sale-of-student-loan-book" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "" Erudio was forced to apologise after complaints about a series of administ...

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He is a very odd character Bercow. I am never quite sure whether he is any good. Clearly it is good to have someone with a certain presence, and force of personality in that role. But, he isn't a dignified holder of the post, and can appear deeply silly. I think he lacks judgement. The reason that ...

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http://press.labour.org.uk/post/156890774509/sale-of-the-student-loan-book-is-a-bad-deal-for Labour Press Sale of the student loan book is a bad deal for students and the tax-payer - Angela Rayner I was wondering about that, but the Press release didn't tell me anything new ! My first job in accoun...

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This is very good on inequality https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/setting-fire-to-the-safety-net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; G'Day . Very useful ! One additional factor is the complexity of the various income-support systems, which add to the precari...

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The front entrance of a grand red-brock building, with the words New Place, Southampton ‘Immoral’ Capita offered £200 bonuses to social workers to slash care packages http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/immoral-capita-offered-200-bonuses-to-social-workers-to-slash-care-packages/" onclick=&quo...

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... an-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EDIT Rowson just up.

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http://news.sky.com/story/cameron-declares-ill-be-back-in-schwarzenegger-snapchat-video-10754736?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter Call me bonkers but this is part of the play. When Mayhams credibility is shot - which it will be - and George tips her out, his best mate will be waiting in the wings (with no Trump...

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http://news.sky.com/story/cameron-declares-ill-be-back-in-schwarzenegger-snapchat-video-10754736?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; David Cameron has appeared in a Snapchat video posted by Arnold Schwarzenegger, claiming: "I'll be back." What could...

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At one point in his press conference, Hollande talked about a joint EU response to climate change. “Europe is not just 27 countries individually,” he said. Hollande was speaking in the present tense, but the UK was already gone from his thoughts. made me gasp just now, reading that Not quite gaspin...

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Re-posting Roger's Monbiot link of 12.03h https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/02/corporate-dark-money-power-atlantic-lobbyists-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Trump’s extraordinary plan to cut federal spending by $10.5tn was drafted by the Heritage Foun...

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Dalia Grybauskaitė, the Lithuanian president, offered a withering verdict on the recent meeting between Trump and Theresa May. “I don’t think there is a necessity for a bridge. We communicate with the Americans on Twitter,” she said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/03/francois-hollande-a...

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AngryAsWell wrote:Nigh all - happier tomorrow, fingers crossed

Pessimistic hopefulness wins .?

nitol

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It gets worse...read the one about schools... https://twitter.com/jeffmueller/status/826920269491085317" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; :sick: Bloody Hell Roger, that's a hell of a list of batshit-crazy World-Dominationist/Destroying "achievements" . Off to hide m...

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-michael-moore-coup-us-steve-bannon-sally-yates-rule-of-law-a7554556.html?cmpid=facebook-post <b> The US is in the middle of a coup by Donald Trump, Michael Moore warns</b> That article quotes from this which was posted here a day or so a...

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It's tempered by congress, which his party controls, and by the SC, which his party will control with his 9th seat appointment. And by the constitution, but that over the years says what parties in power decide it says. Yes. I wasn't clear in my post. It's my understanding Trump is using his own pr...

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TRG Now it seems the divisions are as much within parties as between them. An example being that while on FTN Green members are welcome and generally left wing, two of the most nasty, sneering, sarcastic abusive and plain rude opponents of Corbyn I regularly encounter on Facebook (friends of a frien...

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A frog2 proposition .

That anyone proposing that SpinningHugo should be terminally moderated / ie banned , should themselves be publically denounced .

There are more than a small ha

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Tories licking their lips https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/78235/jeremy-corbyn-refuses-say-he-would-defend-nato" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Not exactly a shock that Corbin wouldn't comply with NATO treaty obligations of course. Wh...

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Can't say I'm a big fan, but I'm inclined to agree with his writing here. I didn’t attack Jeremy Corbyn at the weekend. Westminster was my target http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/18/didnt-attack-jeremy-corbyn-westminster-target-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);retu...

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Think of the most cringeworthy events in one's own life , and multiply by the millions of suckers who were taken in by him . You need two parties to maintain the continued fiction of a functioning democracy, so in this time of national emergency both parties might agree to cooperate . The CIA could ...

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yahyah wrote:Hard not to think Trump is some form of performance art.

Fiction trumping reality !

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Thanks to CitizenJA for this michael-moore-donald-trump-does-not-want-to-be-president https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/17/michael-moore-donald-trump-does-not-want-to-be-president" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Several weeks ago I had the odd thought that Trump woul...

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This is a far better trailer than the last " My greatest achievement -- Tony Blair and New Labour ." SELL OFF NHS -PRIVATISING THE NHS https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLkq8UERgKPYuLmqOFozJ8qkgVNq7UGJoE&v=aitInZgQdY8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Weather br...

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Crikey. Is knowing who Ant and Dec are important to your politics? Once more I have to side with Corbyn. I saw them once. Didn't like them, thought they were a poor imitation of Morecombe and Wise and have been successful in avoiding them ever since. Ohso , having been out of the Uk for nearly 40 y...

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/disability-benefits-motabililty-rule-change-disabled-people-vehicles-dwp-a7191636.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; To qualify for a vehicle under the new Personal Independent Payments (Pip) system, a person must not be able ...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nyht8oNBM0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Published on 11 Oct 2014 Corporate interests rather than patient care is driving reform in today's NHS and will divert money away from YOU. And the media are failing to tell you this. This film is ra...

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The structure of many of the questions in that poll is really, really lousy making it worthless. They're extraordinarily leading. I thought pollsters were meant to be good at avoiding this sort of thing? I'm number ignorant...Figures mean very little to me and I've never been able to read graphs, b...

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Morning all. Dearie me, there's an awful lot of right wing screeching about Smith's comments about the NHS. Two comments: 1. Banging on about "But Labour did it more" are pointless since both are dead set against the "public sector reform"-ers that are closer to the Tories than ...

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The blogger Phil BC has an interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting. From that and reports from elsewhere I have seen, it seems that when even Smith supporters are a small minority they are treated respectfully by the dissenting majority. Generally no booing, no heckling, no demand...

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MsChin --- don't get cross, get even !

( It's not good for us either ....)

Off to market for the closing cheap offers xx

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" He argues that rules on the use of postal votes, which have previously been identified as ripe for fraud, should be toughened up – with party activists no longer allowed to handle them, for example, and an end to the possibility of applying for a permanent postal vote." https://www.theg...

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" He argues that rules on the use of postal votes, which have previously been identified as ripe for fraud, should be toughened up – with party activists no longer allowed to handle them, for example, and an end to the possibility of applying for a permanent postal vote." https://www.theg...

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On another subject - it's Show's birthday today! There's chocolate cake for tea (with cream for him). He is dining this evening on homemade chicken curry with lots of trimmings. He is, I have to say, lucky to have me. Happy Birthday, Showmaster! Homemade chickens are much better than shop ones :)

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From CitizenJA 12.43 "" "There have been some incidents of antisemitic behaviour," Baroness Royall writes. "Some Jewish members do not feel comfortable attending the [OULC] meetings, let alone participating," she added"" BTW that WAS a quote of, a quote , not ...

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From the NS article On the prospect of a progressive alliance, the latest polls show that the Conservative and Ukip support, added together, reaches over 50 per cent. So anyone wishing for proportional representation is hoping for a Tory-Ukip government. They are also projecting their own wishes on ...

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yahyah wrote:Glad to see that sense of humour is still intact Toby.

In other news young girl tells truth. I ask a female shop assistant for help and my grandaughter interjects to tell her that "Grandad loves ladies."

UD gets my vote for Quote of the Day

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Rebecca 9.52 " Has Corbyn said similar things about Smith?About anti-semitism etc? Have missed that,but agree that it is wrong.Totally. " As far as i can see the Corbyn party have been attacking Smith in a fairly restrained fashion, tho fun that Guido began the Pfizer Publicity . My poorly...

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Rebecca 8.51 " Owen Smith has said that anti-semitism and misogyny have risen since Corbyn became leader.He has no evidence of this,especially since Shami Chakrabati found this was not the case.In a review swiftly carried out at Corbyns' request. Smith must be an intelligent man,he wouldn't hav...

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yahyah 7.35 "It would help if the Labour party issued stricter rules about what is allowable during times like this. That might help, strong guidelines would stop the gap widening between the different groups as insults and silly photoshops are used to pour scorn on a potential Labour leader, b...

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https://walkersrambles.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/ive-been-a-guardian-reader-for-40-years-but-no-longer-heres-why/ I've been a Guardian reader for 40 years, but no longer. Here’s why. " The paper’s campaigning work is well known and rightly so." He obviously missed the infamous exchange a v...

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I'm old enough to remember when some of us** used this term to refer to the 'usual suspects' at political demos in the Sixties --- ( **I was one of them ...) Invented by Peter Simple at the Torygraph, now a reality in USUK ! The Polar opposite of the YesMen . http://www.rentacrowduk.co.uk/home/londo...

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CozETn-XgAErQvA.jpg John Millington ‏@johnjournalist 16m16 minutes ago 105 yrs ago since Tom Mann (TU leader and Keir Hardie campaign manager) spoke in Liverpool. Today it is for Corbyn Transcript of Tom Mann speech A hundred thousand people have come to the centre of Liverpool this afternoon. The ...

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