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by utopiandreams
Thu 21 Jul, 2016 1:44 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 21st July 2016
Replies: 223
Views: 37400

Re: Thursday 21st July 2016

The last time a bespectacled chap tried to tell me how things are I asked him to take them off and tell me to my face.

Postscript: If you're a Corbynista do not thank me for this post lest you be accused of threats of violence.
by utopiandreams
Thu 21 Jul, 2016 11:36 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 21st July 2016
Replies: 223
Views: 37400

Re: Thursday 21st July 2016

Fury as files on Mark Thatcher's 'corrupt' dealing in the Middle East kept secret until 2053 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-files-mark-thatchers-corrupt-8460468" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I want my country back where Queen's and Prime Minster's sons can do w...
by utopiandreams
Thu 21 Jul, 2016 11:29 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 21st July 2016
Replies: 223
Views: 37400

Re: Thursday 21st July 2016

AE's logo and her other launch materials were just so damn naff, sorry. Looked about two decades out of date, too. For both those reasons (and others) many have suspected the hand of Mandy behind the scenes. I've been testing the water at the G on how far I can push my jokes without being accused o...
by utopiandreams
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 8:43 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th July 2016
Replies: 213
Views: 32511

Re: Wednesday 20th July 2016

I'm sorry folks for posting on a politics forum. I fear I have become apolitical so disappointed I am with our parliamentary representatives.
by utopiandreams
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 8:40 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th July 2016
Replies: 213
Views: 32511

Re: Wednesday 20th July 2016

Following on with refitman's distraction when I was last in the pet supplies store I remarked on the slightly sweet fragrance of rabbit food but was reliably informed that it was in fact hamster food. Of course it was, rabbit food is what I'm accused of eating.
by utopiandreams
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 7:57 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th July 2016
Replies: 213
Views: 32511

Re: Wednesday 20th July 2016

Hi chaps and chapesses, I've just returned to preserve my sanity as I am getting a little irked btl at the G. Quite. When we get mildly irked with each other here, it's easy to forget what a bearpit the G can be by comparison Thanks, Robert, I mentioned expressing an interest in the backgrounds of ...
by utopiandreams
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 6:50 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th July 2016
Replies: 213
Views: 32511

Re: Wednesday 20th July 2016

Hi chaps and chapesses, I've just returned to preserve my sanity as I am getting a little irked btl at the G.
by utopiandreams
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 3:43 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th July 2016
Replies: 213
Views: 32511

Re: Wednesday 20th July 2016

Stop it, гражданка, you wouldn't believe what goes on behind closed doors.
by utopiandreams
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 3:40 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th July 2016
Replies: 213
Views: 32511

Re: Wednesday 20th July 2016

Got Countdown on in the background and am sure someone gave Nick Hewer an 8 out of 10 Cats puzzler.
by utopiandreams
Wed 20 Jul, 2016 12:36 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th July 2016
Replies: 213
Views: 32511

Re: Wednesday 20th July 2016

Morning all Just watched three deeply unimpressive members of the PLP on Victoria Derbyshire show Is this is representative of what the PLP is like then god help us as a party! This. I've no idea to whom you refer, hsom, but nearly posted something earlier before yet another appt at the hospital, b...
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 9:49 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

Three million apprenticeships, AAW? I really wish our politicians would acknowledge that most of these are simply not apprenticeships at all but just another means to undercut wages. Many of them appear to be induction courses for minimum wage jobs and they ain't even restricted to youthful first em...
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 9:38 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

Anne Perkins has come to the conclusion that the reason Eagle failed in her attempt at becoming Labour leader was not ... No, it's because she's a woman. :wall: Just followed your link, refitman, and having read the article wanted to add that it must also be that Ms. Eagle is not a Scot. I don't us...
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 1:30 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

Speaking of chess playing women... When I were a lad and good at such things I often found myself in quiet halls interrupted by whispers and squeaky shoes on highly polished floors plus the occasional slam on top of a chess clock. God I used to get bored. Anyway apart from the freaks that graced suc...
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 1:18 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

Personally I think a lot hinges on whether or not Corbyn refused to meet the shadow cabinet and MEPs post referendum before his response to Cameron at the dispatch box. Being for Remain I felt let down by his acquiescence but suspect the shadow cabinet collectively failed given their ensuing action....
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 12:46 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

Speaking of Liz Truss and hospitals for that matter, the last time I was there we were parked in a side room and she was on the telly giving a live speech to parliament. In my best Liz Truss impersonation, just knock about sixty years off does the trick, I almost quoted her word for word before she ...
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 12:20 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

@ROT

Apart from the odd exception, I don't believe it were ever about parents, Roger, as the NHS reforms were never really about patient choice. Something I seem to be repeating a lot just lately is that liars should be barred from public office.
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 12:10 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

I find, even though I really, really don't want to come out of the EU, it wrong to ignore/ dismiss the referendum.. I know what you mean and to some extent would agree had it not been for so many lies. But then there were lies from both sides but what probably irks me more is that prat Cameron who ...
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 11:54 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

I also agree with never for Article 50 but much of the damage has already been done, more than can be remedied by refusing to call it.
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 11:51 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

@SH Agree with you about the G, Hugo, the headline and opening paragraph at least although it does make that clear later on. Speaking of the G has anybody noticed how repetitive some articles are, especially when they quote someone elucidating the very thing that has just been said. 'And did anybody...
by utopiandreams
Tue 19 Jul, 2016 11:20 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 19 July 2016
Replies: 218
Views: 32088

Re: Tuesday 19 July 2016

Just back from the hospital where I saw two chaps in Serco uniform escorting a prisoner, so I asked whether they would prefer working in the public sector or for Serco. No prizes for guessing the answer. Just another reason to hate our Tory overlords since we're likely paying more for less.
by utopiandreams
Sun 17 Jul, 2016 7:34 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016
Replies: 324
Views: 60383

Re: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016

... There are so many lies and so much spin it's impossible to know the truth about anything any more. Quite, ephe, which reminds me of a post I made agreeing with someone at the G. I can't remember who or even what they said about MPs, censure for something or other. Anyway I want politicians who ...
by utopiandreams
Sun 17 Jul, 2016 10:07 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016
Replies: 324
Views: 60383

Re: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016

No matter, I'm not standing for party leadership although I almost wish I were. My opponents would be buried without trace once they'd delved into my cupboard.
by utopiandreams
Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:56 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016
Replies: 324
Views: 60383

Re: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016

Oh... I ain't a woman either.
by utopiandreams
Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:54 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016
Replies: 324
Views: 60383

Re: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016

That's me told. I simply ain't good enough not being from Northern, working class stock.
by utopiandreams
Sun 17 Jul, 2016 8:15 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016
Replies: 324
Views: 60383

Re: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016

I must be wrong given all the squabbling still going on within the PLP but thought the leadership vote used AV. If so what are the Owen and Angela camps scared of unless they believe there really is no unity against Jeremy?
by utopiandreams
Sat 16 Jul, 2016 7:04 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016
Replies: 324
Views: 60383

Re: Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016

What a sorry state of affairs. Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 40681.html)
by utopiandreams
Tue 12 Jul, 2016 6:18 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Replies: 325
Views: 52055

Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016

Okay, I'm back. Have just seen Laura Kuenssberg on BBC News speaking of months and months of behind the scenes manoeuvring, plots, or whatever it was she called them, but no mention whatsoever of her own role in these.
by utopiandreams
Tue 12 Jul, 2016 8:57 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Replies: 325
Views: 52055

Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016

I had an ex-gamekeeper brother-in-law who kept birds of prey, their screech is surprisingly piercing for such large birds.
by utopiandreams
Tue 12 Jul, 2016 8:49 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Replies: 325
Views: 52055

Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016

Sorry for one final facile comment, not that I've added anything to the conversation of late, but the state of politics in this country has descended into madness. Unless I turn my back for a while so shall I. As things stand I shall never vote for a party that ousts its leader against the wishes of...
by utopiandreams
Mon 11 Jul, 2016 7:51 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Monday 11th July 2016
Replies: 263
Views: 34904

Re: Monday 11th July 2016

Good morning.

Sorry to lower the tone but with all this talk of motherhood, what does Andrea think of blooding the little darlings?
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 3:47 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

On the subject of contempt of parliament, I've previously had exchanges with the Sparrow about Dave's contempt that he has defended with presentational arguments, although he has come mighty close to calling him a liar since. Anyway examples that cannot be argued in such terms are occasions that he ...
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 3:11 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

... Someone who used to comment at the G used to post a lot of links about ALEC. I can't remember who it was. Was is anyone here? Or does anyone here remember who it was? I find it quite alarming that one of their plants could be on the cusp of becoming PM of the UK. ArseneKnows, Willow. https://pr...
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 2:59 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

Forgetting extremes, the so called complacency or indeed apathy of the keyboard warrior is a largely untapped resource politically and one I believe mocked in certain quarters but nevertheless one that I thought Corbyn takes seriously. It is the future unless you'd rather see it on the streets. Just...
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 1:24 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

There is no vacancy if there is an incumbent.
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 1:21 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

Having come fourth in the deputy leader's election, Angela seems to be saying that she is more electable than Jeremy. Really? I very nearly joined the Labour party after Jeremy was elected leader for his strong messages, not least reaching out to the wider left. Even now when I dislike his lacklustr...
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 12:06 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

I'm still furious that parliamentarians say it's very clear what 52% of people want.
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 11:17 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

I could point out to Angela what happened to LibDem support after a parliamentary executive stopped listening to the members.
by utopiandreams
Sun 10 Jul, 2016 10:13 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

If Angela Eagle were male, Hector would be her name.

Postscript: I am not of course speaking in the Greek sense.
by utopiandreams
Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:08 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

Just popped back from a brief view from Europe. This reference to Farage as a possible replacement for Cameron in http://www.lemonde.fr/referendum-sur-le-brexit/article/2016/07/08/brexit-la-grande-bretagne-ne-jouera-pas-un-role-moindre-dans-le-monde-estime-cameron_4966424_4872498.html rather amused ...
by utopiandreams
Sat 09 Jul, 2016 9:09 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016
Replies: 491
Views: 67659

Re: Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

TobyLatimer wrote:She might have been referring to the time she spent as a member of Frank Zappa's band...
So, Toby, not just a mother but a Mother of Invention.
by utopiandreams
Thu 30 Jun, 2016 3:39 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 30th June 2016
Replies: 357
Views: 51220

Re: Thursday 30th June 2016

I suspect than when Michael has sex, he's told whether or not he enjoyed it.
by utopiandreams
Thu 30 Jun, 2016 11:24 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 30th June 2016
Replies: 357
Views: 51220

Re: Thursday 30th June 2016

Sorry folks to bore you with a dream I've just remembered but I'd have still bored you with it had it been a daydream... The final scene: David steps blinking onto the stage but has every confidence he can put on a show. Rolloing up his sleeves for the task ahead, he calls a member of the audience t...
by utopiandreams
Wed 29 Jun, 2016 3:40 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 29th June 2016
Replies: 452
Views: 63717

Re: Wednesday 29th June 2016

Other than the George Cross flag and white van tweet and that she's a lawyer or something I know nothing of Emily Thornberry but I'll stick my neck out and say I was impressed by her performance today on Daily Politics. She presents herself and her arguments well, sound ones I may say, she's comfort...
by utopiandreams
Wed 29 Jun, 2016 2:51 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 29th June 2016
Replies: 452
Views: 63717

Re: Wednesday 29th June 2016

Temulkar wrote:LOL all the game of thrones memes with Corbyn as Jon Snow.
Meanwhile the Mother of Dragons has been at Home tending three stones and shall emerge unscathed by the conflagration, fully clothed I hope, as supreme leader.

Edit: I know, just what I wish I'd said and I just like alliteration.
by utopiandreams
Tue 28 Jun, 2016 2:39 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th June 2016
Replies: 520
Views: 80610

Re: Tuesday 28th June 2016

Thanks for that, yahyah, but I was out of nappies before I was one. Mind you who could blame my mum we lived in a twelve foot caravan back then.
by utopiandreams
Tue 28 Jun, 2016 2:32 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th June 2016
Replies: 520
Views: 80610

Re: Tuesday 28th June 2016

Someone has got to take responsibility for this and do something about it bloody sharpish Jon SnowVerified account ‏@jonsnowC4 Young woman in the street stops me to tell me she's just been verbally abused for speaking Spanish on her phone https://twitter.com/Leisha007/status/747421605018636288"...
by utopiandreams
Tue 28 Jun, 2016 2:25 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th June 2016
Replies: 520
Views: 80610

Re: Tuesday 28th June 2016

I'm a little with Tem regarding Corbyn but was thoroughly disappointed in him yesterday. However there was the small matter of parliamentary games all around him rather than a shadow cabinet meeting establishing how to counter Cameron's Folly. Perhaps there would have been a party view that did so r...
by utopiandreams
Tue 28 Jun, 2016 2:18 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th June 2016
Replies: 520
Views: 80610

Re: Tuesday 28th June 2016

... I suspect there may be more racists than we ever imagined. Sadly I can say speak for yourself, yahyah. You don't doubt it when you've seen it up close and personal including barriers in the workplace, albeit less so over the years. 'And as for landlords checking immigration status. Well let's j...
by utopiandreams
Tue 28 Jun, 2016 1:55 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th June 2016
Replies: 520
Views: 80610

Re: Tuesday 28th June 2016

It seems Tim Farron is after my vote. It must be the old LibDemmer in me.
by utopiandreams
Tue 28 Jun, 2016 12:23 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th June 2016
Replies: 520
Views: 80610

Re: Tuesday 28th June 2016

@NonOxCol I was with you until 'frightened' just pissed off. Things will settle but at a new low and most people, even those affected, shall largely be ignorant. Mind you I haven't seen any rise in post Brexit racism around here and hope that I don't. The irony is that should I, it won't be my Europ...