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AnatolyKasparov

Good morefternoon, all.

Scott Benton MP loses his appeal, so the recall process will be set in motion - bar any actual GE intervening.

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Streeting didn't say how Labour would vote on a ceasefire this morning - significant? There certainly wasn't much doubt how it would go last time.

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LAAS are a bunch of cranks, that is all.

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Most of them have genuinely vanished never to return - Berger is maybe the only one I can seriously see returning to parliament.

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I mean, maybe we should want a bit more evidence for this than an SNP party hack? But whatever.

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No, that is the spin of Taj Ali (and you)

A reminder that we already had a ceasefire in this conflict, and it didn't last that long.

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I do note that Scottish Labour voted for an immediate ceasefire yesterday.

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Well, at least you are here!

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Good morefternoon, everyone.

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refitman wrote: ↑Fri 16 Feb, 2024 8:21 pm Tbh, I wasn't really looking at the comment regarding the vote gain/loss, when I posted the tweet. More just the result itself.

Weird how you can read into things, isn't it?

Point is, there were loads of people shouting about it this morning - as if it actually meant something.

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Thank you for reminding me, Sky.

Remarkably enough, the Tory numerical vote was down a bit on the previous GE there as well. Meant precisely zilch, just as it does with Labour now.

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No doubt any defeat at the coming GE will be "technical" as well.

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I mean, it is genuinely an utterly meaningless statistic - seriously. Labour's biggest byelection swing from the Tories since WW2 remains (narrowly) Dudley West in 1994 - you would never guess given said stat that their numerical vote was actually *down* on the previous GE in 1992? But it was.

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And indeed it is - second biggest Tory to Labour swing since WW2.

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Kingswood - Labour gain, unspectacular but solid. If the rumours are right, Wellingborough could be a bit more striking.

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Well, that clip just shows that Lucy is OK.

AnatolyKasparov

Good morefternoon, all.

Tooth is worse again.

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Many of them will still do emergencies in fairly short order. As I said I'm not there yet, but....

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Tooth is a bit better, for anyone who is interested. Still think the dreaded visit to the dentist isn't that far off though

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The local Labour party in Hyndburn is a bin fire, in no small part thanks to him. That may be another reason why they acted so quick.

(plus of course it is easier to suspend a PPC than someone already on a ballot paper)

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I wonder if the US media will give this as much coverage as Biden's age related shortcomings?

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Dillow is intelligent enough to know Starmer didn't pick Ali personally.

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refitman wrote: ↑Mon 12 Feb, 2024 8:36 pm Took them long enough.

Less than 48 hours, especially since it broke on a Saturday night, isn't that long.

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Labour have "withdrawn support" for their Rochdale candidate, though he will still appear as such on the ballot paper.

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Good morefternoon, all.

Tooth pain is no fun is it?

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Labour's candidate - sigh.

They really should have picked Paul Waugh shouldn't they.

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I'm going on what was actually voted on at the time. You prefer a BBC summary (no actual quote, you will notice) of what Starmer supposedly said. OK then, but being permanently outraged will do you no good. The reality is that a UK opposition party has next to no power to change anything in this con...

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You do know that collective responsibility applies in these things, if you look at the motion Labour proposed for that debate it was totally reasonable. Starmer understood a few front benchers wouldn't feel able to vote for it, and accepted their departures totally amicably. It was all a stunt by th...

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The leadership line has been "a *sustainable* ceasefire" for a while now.

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The fact it is Evan Davis as well, neither personally or politically is he the sort you would expect to go full attack dog on government ministers.

(but maybe that made it all the more effective, as she was less prepared for it)

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Its a shame his personal issues derailed what seemed to be a politician with genuine potential.

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And......James Daly has a combover?

Must admit I have always noticed more his truly incredible forehead, which gives Brendan O'Neill a run for his money.

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I presume you mean Daisy Cooper there, Sky?

Rosie Cooper is a now retired Labour MP (though she was previously a LibDem)

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Yes, that was definitely not something I would have recommended. But as I said, its how a lot of people think!

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Taking a more optimistic view (yes, I know) this might actually be a case of one side getting a headline "win" (formally dropping the £28 bn figure) but most of the actual substance behind it being retained. And somebody did make the point many voters will relate more easily to smaller (th...

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Ah, good to see Streeting on the TV - that so rarely happens after all.

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Sunak won't apologise for yesterday, but at the same time he keeps referring to Brianna as "she/her".

If he really meant what he said, he would be using "he/him".

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I think it may be possible to be too cynical about today - it might just be this depressing saga's "Sir, have you really no sense of decency?" moment. Let's hope so but from what I can see all it seems to have done, outside of a few honourable exceptions, is entrench both sides. One thing...

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I think it may be possible to be too cynical about today - it might just be this depressing saga's "Sir, have you really no sense of decency?" moment.

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He's trying to have it both ways and annoying everybody. Which is very typical of him.

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Oh dear, Sunak excelled himself at PMQs.

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In today's £28 billion news, Starmer appears to still be sticking with it as at least an "aspiration". Deliberate pushback against the Treasury team?

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And he is today trying to row back on it. saying "I'm not a betting man" - it then emerges he spread bet on cricket matches back in 2005.

Why is Sunak so bad at this stuff?

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I deplore media trivia about the royals as much as the next guy, but this is a big story and there is no point pretending otherwise.

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Whatever you think of that sentiment.....really? Most people are fairly pragmatically pro-business, as long as its not bad business.

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Anyway.....who are this Man United who are scoring goals for fun - do you recognise them Sky?? Finally getting most of the first team back fit has obviously made a difference, Martinez especially so let's hope his knee isn't another long term injury. I'm really happy for Hojlund, he's been busting ...

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Not just unfeasible, but illegal - standing in multiple constituencies simultaneously was outlawed a while ago.

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Anyway.....who are this Man United who are scoring goals for fun - do you recognise them Sky??

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Purely as a matter of record, the only country other than Turkey that explicitly *denies* the Armenian Genocide is Pakistan. Israel has not recognised it as such, but several groups in the country have urged the government to do so. Strangely enough, that is also the UK government's position (the US...

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Did you believe every press rumour during the Corbyn years as well? Just saying. I can imagine it will be a manifesto that front benchers feel comfortable defending and the Tories have trouble convincingly attacking. That's not the same as saying it won't contain anything substantive. Think of the d...

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