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So Anatoly and Hugo - what's a realistic outlook for maximising any potential advantage of the current situation (slimness of Tory majority, etc), while minimising any long-term irreverisble (eg: Brexit) damage of the Tory/SNP partnership made in hell. I am afraid I only have downsides. First the T...

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The failure here is of Labour to beat the Conservatives … Labour has barely increased the share of the vote. Sturgeon. It's all Labour's fault. I know you here predicted it, but Jesus wept. Bugger off, you Tartan Tory bit*h! I'd better be careful, as I'll probably get myself banned/modded. But, I'm...

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Oh, had missed that gem from Hugo earlier. Umunna and Cooper especially are part of the problem, not the solution. (the fact they are so bigged up by the MSM should warn you off by itself - lets remember now that these are the same people that assured us Jim Murphy would turn the tide for Labour in...

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I hope this isn't a post-mortem (if it is apologies). I think that the problem is not Labour - and certainly not Ed - but the fact that the political landscape has changed so much. We need to adapt to that. Grassroots engagement, the single issue approach. And not dividing ourselves. We need all of...

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frightful_oik wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
yahyah wrote:Please can we hold back on ditching Ed talk until later in the day.

It just feels too raw just now.
Agree, I don't want a different leader.
I suspect he'll resign.

Yep, cos he's man of integrity.

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Please can we hold back on ditching Ed talk until later in the day. It just feels too raw just now. Agree, I don't want a different leader. Me neither. I want a five-year plan to change this bullshit situation we have now. More thanks TC :) I'm full of thanks for you today. I agree with almost all ...

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AngryAsWell wrote:
yahyah wrote:Please can we hold back on ditching Ed talk until later in the day.

It just feels too raw just now.
Agree, I don't want a different leader.

Neither do I, at all.

But I expect we'll have to face up to that. Just hope it's not a Blairite.

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Tories/SNP - one of the most devastatingly effective "unholy alliances" since the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Hopefully things end equally gruesomely for both of them :evil: They couldn't have been better for each other if they had planned it (which of course they did). So now what, Indy Ref...

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Balls is partly to blame for what has happened, though. As he may realise himself now. There is another person with considerably more responsibility. Well, unsurprisingly that may be an area where we do not entirely agree...... I will just point out for now that Miliband had his best moments when h...

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Balls is partly to blame for what has happened, though. As he may realise himself now. There is another person with considerably more responsibility. Really? So how would your alternative Labour fantasy have handled the SNP effect, the media backing for the Tories and the total collapse of the Lib ...

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yahyah wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Labour lost the Gower by 27 votes, TUSC got something like 120.

Well done. As for Ed Balls, I give up, I really do.

I hope they are happy with their days work.

Of course they will be. They'll pat themselves on the back for being ideologically pure, having not voted for those Tory-red scum.

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Labour lost Ed Balls' seat because Labour voters went to UKIP. Labour's northern base is now in places where UKIP in 2nd. Not a good look. Agree this is not a good look at all. It's true the left need stories which better explain the facts we're trying to get over. I wish it wasn't the case, but I ...

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yahyah wrote:My husband's just brought me back to earth, reminding me that Labour still wouldn't have won regardless of Scottish seats.

But how many English seats were lost due to all the rhetoric surrounding the SNP?

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@PickardJE: Biggest question for Tories now is how to find £20bn for uncosted pledges that they thought they could drop while blaming Lib Dem partners. It really isn't. The MSM will cover their backs and most people really won't ask themselves why everything's going tits up. Those that do will find...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Labour lost the Gower by 27 votes, TUSC got something like 120.

Well done. As for Ed Balls, I give up, I really do.
Balls is partly to blame for what has happened, though. As he may realise himself now.

In what way do you mean AK? Or am I just being dense?

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letsskiptotheleft wrote:And why is there is a bulk of people who wouldn't vote Tory if they life depended on it, but quite happily vote UKIP?

Because the public is disengaged and dumbed down to an idiotic degree with MSM lies and a diet of the Ex-factor.

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Blaming the Greens is pointless, tbh. Their (almost entirely anti-Labour) positioning pre-election was idiotic and opportunistic, but that will hopefully change with a grown up (Lucas) back in charge. (as will surely happen) Really AK, Wasn't Lucas also one of the 'Labour promise 30billion worth of...

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LadyCentauria wrote:Balls is making me cry by being such a gentleman, praising the new Conservative MP for fighting such a decent campaign but expressing concern for the future of the Union and of the EU

I do, however, applaud him for his dignity in defeat.

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:I am very upset about Balls.
Me slightly less so. I am largely unconvinced that he was a force for good in the Labour Party. The problem is that is one more Tory seat.

Yeah, I can't really get upset about him. Like TE said, unfortunately it means another Tory gain.

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tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng- ... ts-in-full

The map says it all

OMG! Wished I'd not looked at that now.

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Morning! Not that good :-( @pk1 yes bad news from Colne Valley - but not all bad Jane increased Labour's vote by several thousand to nearly 20,000 - which was more than enough to be elected in 2001 and 2005 for Labour. Unfortunately the Tory increased his vote by a similar amount. The Lib Dems on t...

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I was in the US once. Sacramento. Quite a lot of begging. I gave some change to one guy and the American I was with said he never did that because it would just get spent on booze and half of them were just doing it as a scam. My feeling was that a) my employer doesn't tell me what I can spend my i...

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I haven't yet ventured to the Guardian. What are the 'real lefty' brigade saying about the outcome ? By that I mean the ones who won't sully themselves to vote for Labour because of Iraq, call them Red Tory etc. Excuse me, but I don't give a flying f*ck! As I'm sure you'll agree. They'll be congrat...

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Do what you like with the psephology, I just think Britain is full of selfish c***s. I suspected it was true for most of the last five years, now I know. Not all of us NonOxCol :hug: but yes, plenty enough. I guess it's what 3 decades of lies, corruption and neoliberlism has done to the country. I ...

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Big picture, the coalition government has taken a hammering, 50 odd seats down. The fact the Tories have managed to cling to power won't change that. People are going to get very angry at Cameron very quickly (I give it 6 months). But the government won't give a fuck. As someone's said ATL at the g...

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Just to add...in my constituency the council handled the Coalition's changes in voting registration very well. Labour here got 9.7%, only 5.8% in 2010. Could that be a factor ? Has I've been avoiding the MSM, could someone please tell me what Dan Jarvis' % was, up or down? I only mention as Barnsle...

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I hope this isn't a post-mortem (if it is apologies). I think that the problem is not Labour - and certainly not Ed - but the fact that the political landscape has changed so much. We need to adapt to that. Grassroots engagement, the single issue approach. And not dividing ourselves. We need all of...

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Ridiculous! We have to analyse why the right won. It's complex but one factor is that the electorate aren't interested in politics. Another is that the media are owned by the right. Ummuna won't solve either of those problems. He just regurgitates soundbites. And - tin foil or not - I truly believe...

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You could have replayed Livingstone from 92 alongside his line from 2015. The same analysis. Wrong then, wrong now. With respect, Hugo, no he's not. It was the seats lost in England (because of the lies about the SNP), not just the ones lost in Scotland. But then, you want a Labour party that is To...

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I think we lost because of the SNP factor. . I think it is very important that this view doesn't take hold (LIvingstone peddling it now). Add on every Scottish seat, and we still lose. We needed a bigger tent. not an even smaller one than those who wanted a break from Blair voted for in 2010. You a...

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Is it too much to ask that we leave the 'what Labour did wrong' and 'who follows Ed' for another day? I second that! Yes you're right & I should never have asked the question but it was done in the best interests of the party because the last thing we need is a prolonged leadership contest :( N...

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So, if EdM resigns, who do you want to take over ? Personally I'm not sure there is anybody in the Shadow Cab that I'd vote for. I would vote for Dan Jarvis though. We needed 30+ seats that went Tory. We didn't get them because of the leader and the political strategy adopted. Charlie Whelan, and o...

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@ShippersUnbound: I know he divides opinion but Ed Balls is one of the grown ups and a man who cares about politics. This is a loss for the Commons. @LordNorth: @ShippersUnbound his defeat does give Lab opp to move on from the BrownBallsMili tax and spend perception. Hi PK, But, excuse my ignorance...

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Ed Balls has lost by 400 ! and the Greens had just over 1000 - I hate them, and no, no apology, they are ideological idiots Yep, AAW, hard to disagree. Also SNP and UKIP and F*ckwits like Excatherdia (or whatever they are called on the Guardian), slagging Labour off at every opportunity and telling...

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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Labour lost the Gower by 27 votes, TUSC got something like 120.

Well done. As for Ed Balls, I give up, I really do.

When are the left going to ever learn to (stop being yanked around by the Tory press and) stop splitting the left vote? When??

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LadyCentauria wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
pk1 wrote:Ed Balls has lost by 400 !
and the Greens had just over 1000 - I hate them, and no, no apology, they are ideological idiots
I'd look more to the over-seven-thousand who voted for UKIP, if you want ideological idiots...

Both of them.

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I mean we're actually going to do this - hand their first majority in 23 years to THIS PRICK? Yes, it seems we are :cry: Like I said, what a deeply nasty, ignorant country we have become (everyone on here excepted, of course). But, I suppose that's to be expected when the electorate is dumbed down,...

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Well morning, and what a crap morning it is :( :cry: I stayed away from here, and the MSM as we drew nearer the election. Nothing wrong with you lovely people, just my building sense of dread and foreboding gave me a serious case of the black dog. It was clear what was going to happen as soon as Lib...

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Well, night all

Thanks for the commentary.

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Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 30 secs30 seconds ago Wow. Tories move to 37% in tonight's YouGov voting poll CON 37%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%. I'd like to see Mike comment on the Lab + Con total over recent weeks. The impression I get is that the minor parties are falling behind and the "...

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citizenJA wrote:It's not a duck.
It's a chimpanzee pointing a gun.

Exactly! They've obviously been at the Cool Aid

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@ diGriz I've been meaning to say this for some time now . . . When I look at your picture\avatar thingy, I always see a side-on image of a black and white duck. It took time for me to realise that it was something different but, even now, the duck is the first thing I see and I have to crank my br...

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How have Cameron and Farage done better than Ed in that yougov poll? The Yougov poll has Miliband on 15%. Even the political journos on Twitter are commenting on how stupidly different the two instant polls results are. No guesses for which one will be most reported though. Like Citizen just remind...

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citizenJA wrote:Miliband went into the audience after the 'debates'
Did any others do that?

Apparently, he's not a 'people person'. (sarcasm)

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StephenDolan wrote:The audience trust Cameron on the NHS apparently according to the BBC.

Miliband didn't do as well apparently.

Shocked, shocked I tell you.

Yep, like I thought - MSM will spin it against Miliband.

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I feel that Ed Miliband felt, "This is pointlessly shambolic," and just gave up or lost interest towards the end. Unless I'm just projecting. I'm not sure that that was the right thing to do, though. I didn't watch, so can't really judge. But from reading everyone's posts, I wouldn't blam...

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Andrew Hawkins ‏@Andrew_ComRes 1 min1 minute ago Cameron, Ed M and Farage joint ComRes WINNERS for @itvnews #leadersdebate Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 3 mins3 minutes ago 28% said Sturgeon did best said yougov. 20% Farage. Cameron then Miliband How have Cameron and Farage done better than Ed in that...

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Thanks everyone for the updates. Have to say, glad I missed it.

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StephenDolan wrote:Miliband on Cameron and Clegg. "they're both blaming each other and they're both right".

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ohsocynical wrote:I'd still give it to Sturgeon then Bennett, Ed is a bit too polite.

You think Bennett did better?

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