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JRM is not going to be the next Tory leader, even after everything else that has happened in the last few years. Bookies odds on these things are notoriously unreliable, you only have too look at the betting on "next Labour leader" in the Sept '15-June '17 period to see that. Well quite, ...

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There are lots of 'lets get real' opportunities for May at the moment and she is showing absolutely no sign at all of taking any of them. It seems more likely that if she does shift further to Hammond then she will have to fight and survive a confidence vote of the parliamentary conservative party ...

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There are lots of 'lets get real' opportunities for May at the moment and she is showing absolutely no sign at all of taking any of them. It seems more likely that if she does shift further to Hammond then she will have to fight and survive a confidence vote of the parliamentary conservative party ...

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Things I am *certain* Tessa Jowell thinks. 1. The Tories are terrible. 2. Corbyn is a disaster. 3. It would be better if people with her views ran things. How do we know these things.? Because of the thousands upon thousands of words, in print and spoken, by her expressing those opinions. This Eliza...

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More sensible stuff

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I see. So a post in praise of Tessa Jowell, expressing something I am completely certain she agrees with, is inhumane. I think you're searching for offence to take. Ignorance mistaking itself for virtue. There is a nice quiet board where everyone agrees with one another, and where no disagreeable d...

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http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-sto ... -1-5368187" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Quite so.

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I see. So a post in praise of Tessa Jowell, expressing something I am completely certain she agrees with, is inhumane. I think you're searching for offence to take. Ignorance mistaking itself for virtue. There is a nice quiet board where everyone agrees with one another, and where no disagreeable di...

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I miss people like Tessa Jowell running the country. No prospect, whatever happens, of them doing so again for decades.

I want a government opposed by the Daily Mail and the Morning Star.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:RIP Mark E Smith

Cut up about this

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More depressing polling, this time from Germany.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany ... d-in-poll/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the retreat of the left looks Europe wide.

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What a waste of time PMQs now is. I was used to there being no answers, but this no questions thing is not an improvement.

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Labour NEC intervenes in Haringey development row Labour's National Executive Committee has called on the party's councillors in a north London borough to halt a controversial housing project. It has advised Labour-run Haringey to pause the project - which has split the local party - if mediation a...

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RoT Did you see the offer the FT has for free subscriptions to secondary school children? They can register if their school registers. I don't know whether you're still involved as a governor(??) but it is a good offer I think. The FT and the Economist are the best papers by far for secondary school...

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This is an appalling read

https://amp.ft.com/content/075d679e-003 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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By all accounts Diane Abbott didn't know if she was for or against staying in the Customs Union the other day, so there may be some room for manoeuvre. :) All of Labour's policy on the EU is like Schrödinger's cat in a sense. And that ambiguity has served them well electorally. But the bottom line ...

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On tax hypothecation

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I find it difficult to try to make a comparison as who is worse when comparing two despicable people Mind you Blair seems to have been prey close to Berlusconi The possibility of Berlusconi coming back emphasises for me why EEA/CU from outside EU would not be acceptable - this individual would have...

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Donald Trump has set a new bar for politicians that is so low, even Berlusconi is now found to be credible in comparison. I think Berlusconi is considerably worse. He is a convicted fraudster whose control of the media poisons Italian politics. Fox doesn't dominate the media in the way that Berlusc...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its still amazing that Berlusconi is making any sort of comeback, now *there's* somebody who I thought had been irretrievably discredited.

Trump syndrome. Or perhaps Trump is Berlusconi syndrome.

I don't think the UK is (quite) a plutocracy yet.

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Yes, the Italy situation is concerning. Despite my disagreements on some things, Renzi was a genuinely outstanding politician (very reminiscent of early period Blair, and I mean that in a good way) But he overreached himself a few years ago and his party has never really recovered from that. Trying...

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I see that Blair has been holding forth on stuff today, again. Again he is urging us to be chummy with Trump - is he after a job? Not, of course, anything remotely like anything he said. Probably what you'd like him to say https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/tony-blair-hq-fitzrovia-bre...

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This is the last agreement made on EU policy at Labour conference in 2016 "Unless the final settlement proves to be acceptable, then the option of retaining EU membership should be retained. The final settlement should therefore be subject to approval, through Parliament and potentially throug...

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Poor old Phil Collins https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-moderates-must-show-they-ve-got-guts-wkmlm7pmf?shareToken=ebd7b7e0270db4f20fd28983b2c10aeb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The idea the old Labour MPs have the guts to do this is a joke. They'll try to outlast C...

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The German verb ausgliedern is made up of the prefix "aus", which means both "outside" and "to exit", and the verb "gliedern", which means "to organise", so when translated into English it becomes "to outsource" or " to hive off "...

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Again, I think you've conflated two things (see above) 1. The ACT of outsourcing. For something to be put out it needs to be in. 2. Whetehr something is in fact outseourced. For something to be out it may always have been out. So, in the cleaning example, the work is outsourced (ie sourced outside ...

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I note in passing that Stella Creasy has been making some good comments re what to do about PFI contracts now. You see, this is what Labour "moderates" should be doing. Party members will notice, as will the leadership (despite what SH claims to the contrary) Whining and moaning in the ba...

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I note in passing that Stella Creasy has been making some good comments re what to do about PFI contracts now. You see, this is what Labour "moderates" should be doing. Party members will notice, as will the leadership (despite what SH claims to the contrary) Whining and moaning in the ba...

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So, if,say, I start a company, and always use outside contractors to do the cleaning, you'd say that the cleaning work was not outsourced? do we have another word for this service that is not (and has never been) done inhouse? No, it's not outsourcing. No particular word for it - just buying in a s...

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I think Roger's point is that outsourcing doesn't usually refer to building work, whether the building people are "in house" or not. And my point is that it is not correct to simply assume that it is always best to have goods or services delivered inhouse. A quick and easy way of showing ...

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I think you need to differentiate two different things. If I outsource something, I put it out. If something is outsourced it is out. So building work (and catering and transport and cleaning) may all be outsourced, even though they were never 'insourced'. Sorry but that is completely wrong. The te...

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Nice

It is indeed a nice question to what extent collective responsibility ends with a change in management.

As I think we've been through before, the Labour proposals to end currrent PFI deals are all a bit silly. Just hand waving about special purpose vehicles.

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I think you need to differentiate two different things. If I outsource something, I put it out. If something is outsourced it is out. So building work (and catering and transport and cleaning) may all be outsourced, even though they were never 'insourced'. And as I've said before, there is no reason...

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I see Rentoul comments on this but mistakenly. https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/953953222007427072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; John Rentoul‏Verified account @JohnRentoul Follow Follow @JohnRentoul More He seems to think it's self-evident govt shouldn't build its o...

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Wren-Lewis on fine form https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/what-carillion-tells-us-about-public.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Although at the end he is too soft on the current Labour leadership. Their answer to the question of whether to outsource is not going...

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Missed PMQs today, but I am told May claimed something not totally dissimilar to "Carillion is Emily Thornberry's fault". Anyone actually see it? The other thing you missed was one of Corbyn's questions not really being a question, which got the Twitter trolls very excited :roll: The poin...

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Mason is who he is. His observations frequently begin promisingly and then slide off into all sorts of weird tangents and non-sequiturs. He still offers entertainment and variety. Rentoul "very able"? Pshaw. Maybe he was 20 years ago, his biography of Blair was a genuinely good read and (...

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Everyone really should follow Paul Mason on twitter. He is great. Lots of revealing stuff about "elite interlopers" who have been the "deepstate representatives of Labour" of yesteryear. Opened my eyes I can tell you. Finally we'll have some proper international socialism, breaki...

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An amusing point I didn't notice last night. I must have been asleep Two links I gave were actually arguing the same thing. This thread by Paul Mason, arguing that Corbynis outside the Labour tradition ("it starts with Gramsci..." : doesn't everything?) https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/st...

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TBF to Hugo the rest of us have our own scales. That was a right Rentoul. A real crock of White. It's as bad as Kettle calling the pot black. And of course the ultimate insult. You sound like Dan F****** Hodges! White is a terrible writer. Verbose, rambling. Kettle is just boring. Rentoul just does...

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To be positive, look at this from the same paper

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/ni ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Actual journalism.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/17/britain-zombie-elite-politicians-economy britain-zombie-elite-politicians-economy Excellent piece by Aditya Chakrabortty I think Chakrabortty utterly hopeless. His suggestion (repeated here) that orthodox economics is bust, and that they have no...

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well this is pleasant isn't it? Perhaps a subject to discuss at some point if there is need but the headline when there is chaos going on in the UK? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-too-old-age-labour-election-fears-shadow-ministers-latest-a8162761.html" onclick="windo...

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Paul Mason v funny on twitter tonight

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Ah yes, Oliver Kamm - maybe the most pompous prat in Christendom :) (confess I did fleetingly wonder if you were him, some time ago - you genuinely aren't that bad though) I rather like him. I don't agree with him on everything (eg Iraq) but he writes well, and is no fool. I (obviously) think him r...

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David Lammy ‏ Verified account @DavidLammy 47m47 minutes ago More David Lammy Retweeted Labour Whips I was one of 299 MPs who voted for Amendment 4 to retain EU Charter of Fundamental Rights in UK law. Shame on the Govnt for scrapping hard-won human rights that were not theirs to give away - they b...

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From that David Walker article... The public sector will always buy things from firms, will use firms to build – as with Carillion – houses and railways. But bringing profit-seeking firms into policing and benefits assessment, into schools, clinics, and front as well as back offices, has changed th...

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Quick work by the dynamic Shawcroft

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/c ... a5e19c?puo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Great to see someone so keen in her new role.

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Galloway hasn't been a party member since 2003, you know. Ms Shawcroft was first elected to the NEC in 2000. https://labourlist.org/2018/01/fresh-row-as-momentum-official-replaces-veteran-chair-of-labour-disciplinary-panel/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I suspect we know ...

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Ben Chu good on Carillion (though he too is too quick on the East Coast mainline story)

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/car ... 62131.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Centrist Dads unite.

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