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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And Owen Smith FFS

How much more forgiveness do you want? Thing is in Corbyn's view Smith was I'm sure rather honourable. He set out his stall and put himself in front of the party in an election.

Sending Owen Smith off to NI did show that Seumas had a hitherto well hidden sense of humour.

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Another shit experience with the NHS today. Underfunding is undoubtedly part of the story, alongside factors like an inability to get staff who can afford to live here. The NHS has proven very expensive to me in terms for time. In an emergency it is great. Not otherwise. I'm getting to the point wh...

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The idea politicians like Reeves are in the wrong party is clearly false. There is no way that, for example, Rayner, Thornberry, Abrahams, Starmer are Corbynista types, yet they are prospering in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. It's clear that if you put totems and shibboleths aside, Labour politicians ca...

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This standard response from you is becoming somewhat tedious, even if I might not disagree in some (a relatively few) cases. No less true. There is a whole generation of these moderates (or whatever label you prefer) who would have had expectations of being in government by now, but whose prospects...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Rachel Reeves reminding us why she was once regarded as somebody to watch.

Wrong party now, she has no future. She shouldn't waste her life, go do something else.

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Another shit experience with the NHS today. Underfunding is undoubtedly part of the story, alongside factors like an inability to get staff who can afford to live here. The NHS has proven very expensive to me in terms for time. In an emergency it is great. Not otherwise. I'm getting to the point whe...

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This is amusing in its own way. Though I dont think many people pretended the Haringey Development Vehicle was going to fix homelessness. - What's the policy on X? - A Labour Government. (See also a "real Labour government", a "proper Labour Government" etc. https://pbs.twimg.co...

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Nats were up to 39% in the last poll. I think Indy is probably holed below the water- there's no way Yes is getting away with the economic rubbish it did last time- but they could easily get some of those Labour seats back. MoE stuff, the trend is still against the Nats in the longer term. By a 202...

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t it's still about appearing to offer the least damaging option, whilst being open to stopping Brexit if that's what people want, and the Tories don't seem able to do this. But where are these voters supposed to vote instead. There is no Green or LibDem surge and won't be. The numbers like me who a...

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbyn-risks-losing-young-voters-if-labour-backs-leaving-the-eu-a3758201.html "Jeremy Corbyn risks leading Labour to a general election disaster if he is perceived by young voters as pro-Brexit, according to new research" Labour’s vote share would ...

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote: You are accusing AK of being "daft"?

Dear oh dear.

Aren;t we all from time to time? To err is human.

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Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government. Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the ...

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The Conservatives have at least succeeded in getting the press to regard "Brexit" as being all about the Conservative party - that is to say, it is largely being treated by the media as a parochial, and personality focussed matter rather than as a potential national disaster. A victory of...

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Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government. Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the ...

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Notice that Labour still hasn't reacted to this Customs Union row. Labour should commit now to permanent membership of the Customs Union (or for fools, permanently being in a Customs Union with materially identical terms). Labour must now dismiss the views of the shadow secretary of state for intern...

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"We will not be staying in any CU in any way shape or form" is what the government has announced. That looks faily black and white to me. But instead they want close, frictionless alignment or a 'customs partnership' which seems vaguely similar, (although woolly, fuzzy & grey) "e...

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FT as ever measured and right

https://www.ft.com/content/618dbbc4-074 ... 0ad2d7c5b5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

May has proven astonishingly ill-suited to the job. what a sorry disaster the UK is.

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Today does nicely illustrate the difference between being in government and not. The current government position makes no sense. But that cannot hold. These cake and eat it policies (a custms union arrangement that has no hard border in Ireland is materially identical to the customs union but is inc...

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

It is so transparently obvious that this ridiculous row is being driven by internal Tory party politics, and not what is best for the UK.

We'll be in the customs union regardless.

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But the government are using it nonsensically, as part of the 'we can have just the relationship we have now but without the obligations or the oversight' idea. It is nonsensical whoever uses it. The substantive matter is whether we can enter into independent trade deals with therd party countries ...

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What utter nonsense this attempt to distinguish between "a" customs union and "the" customs union is. It wouldn't impress a small child.

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Pssst I think Hugo's been down the pub

i do love the moderators.

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Here's the letter that David Lammy sent to Claire Kober last July about the Haringey scheme. https://twitter.com/_jackmckenna/status/960149786665127941" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I'd quite like to see a careful consideration of the pros and cons of this scheme from a t...

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I notice that SH is ignoring the Mogg supporter who punched a lady in the face. Just the "lefites shouting at people". I'm not. A disgusting thing to do. I am just perplexed as to why you think this excuses the people who went along in masks to disrupt the event. Just different groups of ...

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Amusing test

https://www.idrlabs.com/political-left-right/test.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am, inevitably, a left leaning centrist.

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Brandon Lewis (who admittedly is only a member of the "right wing nutjob" government - and not the "right wing nutjob" press). Are you referring to his appearance on Sunday Politics? I watched it. He never said when I watched it that they were representatives of the Labour party...

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Brandon Lewis (who admittedly is only a member of the "right wing nutjob" government - and not the "right wing nutjob" press). Are you referring to his appearance on Sunday Politics? I watched it. He never said when I watched it that they were representatives of the Labour party...

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frog222 wrote:

Psst there's a difference between AntiFa and Labour/Momentum . But maybe that's a bit too complicated for you.

Again, why are you attributing this confusion to me? where have I ever said these people were Labour/Mometum?

I've never said, or thought so.

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@SH Rees-Mogg himself has defended the right of the antifa protesters to protest peacefully. Get a grip. Of course they have the freedom to do that. Is it however the right thing to do to turn up at a meeting on campus wearing masks and shouting down the speaker? Would you do it? Not only is it a b...

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And we think this excuses the protesters in face masks and sunglasses shouting down Rees-Mogg because? They're not fucking Labour for a start. Condemn them all you want, but don't cast aspersions. Also, there's a big difference between shouting and punching people in the face. There is indeed. How ...

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And we think this excuses the protesters in face masks and sunglasses shouting down Rees-Mogg because? They're not fucking Labour for a start. Condemn them all you want, but don't cast aspersions. I'm not at all sure what you mean? Who, even among the right wing nutjob press, has said they're repre...

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And we think this excuses the protesters in face masks and sunglasses shouting down Rees-Mogg because?

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According to the article I read at the Express (yeuch), Mike Sivier has NOT been readmitted to Labour because he declined to accept the requirement that he would undertake training on anti-semitism. Not according to sivier himself who says he has been restored to full membership (you'll have to rea...

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According to the article I read at the Express (yeuch), Mike Sivier has NOT been readmitted to Labour because he declined to accept the requirement that he would undertake training on anti-semitism. Not according to sivier himself who says he has been restored to full membership (you'll have to rea...

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The gist is at the top There's a hard-left infiltration of all the CLPs, forcing out all the moderate supporters to install a Marxist MP? Am I close? Because your reply was less than helpful. No. That would be a ridiculous and untrue thing to say. The actual claim is that a number of those expelled...

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From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734eae6c-091c-11e8-8182-8ccf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Ah yes, the completely unb...

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The gist is at the top

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From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734eae6c-091c-11e8-8182-8ccf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; So you extrapolate a "...

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Good interview with kober on Marr I thought. Good *because* she was robustly challenged with the kind of points people on here would want put.

I wonder if front rank politicians are given an easier ride because it is feared they wouldn't otherwise come back?

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A whole week late to this, but it is clearly right

http://www.labourfirst.org/copy_of_councillors_letter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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At a very basic level, you can build more cheaper homes on a given piece of land than you can build more expensive homes. If you don't focus on affordable housing then you end up with very expensive rentable values for btl landlords paid out by the state ... edited to add - and very expensive secon...

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Put it another way. I've often got pressed on London getting huge sums for Crossrail and the like. And they are huge sums, objectively, not just in terms of "X times more than the South West" or whatever. It can be defended in terms of adding to the overall economy, which can be reinveste...

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Interesting both with respect to housing policy and with respect to whether Khan and Corbyn are mates or not https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/959766055613812737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Bloody awful nimbyism though. We need more homes, not more barriers to bui...

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Interesting both with respect to housing policy and with respect to whether Khan and Corbyn are mates or not https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/959766055613812737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Bloody awful nimbyism though. We need more homes, not more barriers to bui...

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That Parris piece is one of the best pieces of short form writing I've ever read. Astonishingly good.

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Laura Pidcock on her feet right now at a Stop The War meeting, behind a sign referencing Trump.

No mention of Putin or Assad.

Grim, but what can you expect? Corbyn is central to the Stop the War fools.

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I know most won't have a sub to The Times, so here is an extract from Matthew Parris. He is so right https://twitter.com/smitajamdar/status/959682264283123714?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; UK po...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Dillow has rather changed his tune since then, it is fair to say.

About why Corbyn won? No he hasn't.

Dillow is excellent. The most brilliant Marxist commentator on current politics I know.

Dismissing him (I know you wouldn't) just shows astonishing stupidity.

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adam wrote:
That was what I saw happen at the time. Tell me why you think Corbyn won.

This is a good explanation.

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... shame.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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