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StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
Assuming a Yes, do we expect negotiations to complete prior to the general election?

No chance - indeed it is generally believed that the "official" spring 2016 date for independence is distinctly optimistic.

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The "serial murderer" one was a bit puzzling.

People who didn't know a) that Ed wasn't even an MP at the time of the Iraq war and b) didn't support it, one presumes?

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Panelbase poll - "no" ahead by 52.5 to 47.5.

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I am told that yesterday Norman Smith on the BBC claimed the Scottish "yes" vote was an anti-Labour one. We must have imagined all those leaflets proclaiming "kick the TORIES out forever", then?? Even the right wing press are largely accepting it will be Cameron mostly to blame i...

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President Salmond reckons that the Spanish don't know the criteria for entry into the EU. After accusing General Dannat of politicking of old soldiers he turns and does exactly the same thing. And here he goes again, invoking the ghost of Adam Smith. Adam Smith the committed and lifelong unionist, ...

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Sarah Wollaston MP ‏@drwollastonmp 7 mins it's not Cameron who should resign if the Union is ripped apart; why have Labour put Party politics before saving the Union? :toss: Labour have "put party politics" first because that is maybe the only way of "saving the union". The &quo...

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Two thirds is too high.

But when Montenegro had its independence referendum, it set a threshold of 55 per cent - which was (just) met.

Decent case for that here IMO.

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What yahyah said - you did the right thing, ohso. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed about.

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How odd: ONLINE bookmaker Betfair is paying out to customers who have backed a ‘No’ vote in this week’s Scottish independence referendum, two days before the polls open. Do they know something we don't? http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-betfair-pay-out-on-no-vo...

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I admired Brown in the past for being an honest man. Attributing "Kim Yong Il" as an advisor to Salmond is eroding that rapidly. If both sides are serious about keeping this cordial then rhetoric should be being condemned by campaign leaders, not perpetuated. Haven't heard the speech, but...

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There is no bigger beast in British politics, know I am biased but he's ripping the SNP to bits here, exposing their lies and twisting of the truth. Then it's a shame that he is only speaking to campaigners and not voters. How is he expecting to change "yes" voters minds? Maybe changing t...

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The "let's form a feminist political party like in Sweden" piece in the Graun is good for a laugh, if not much else

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Heard SNP minister Alex Neil using his own fear tactics on Radio 4 last night. He said 'the Tories are leading in the polls this weekend'. Have checked and there was one Ipsos Mori last week which gave the Tories a 1 point lead, none of the pollsters seemed to get excited about it. Other polls this...

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I notice the Graun buried the "Labour lead 8 points in our own survey" article. Comments never opened and consigned to having to dig it out. It's a shame. A lot of Nats are using the 'do you want Cameron or Boris as PM' and quoting the Tories as being ahead in the polls . Having that 8 po...

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Alasdair Campbell: Had my run ins with the BBC, but organised protests like this going on now is beyond Tebbit, and not far off Putin. Vote Yes for intimidation. I fail to see whatever the result on Friday that things will go off peacefully. I am not that pessimistic........yet. I think a lot depen...

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That Labour bloke in Clacton voting UKIP shouldn't be seen as a great surprise either. Lots of older people move to the Right. Plus of course, he may well see it in this instance as the chance to give the Tories a kicking...... Ah yes, the Tories - has Harris ever mentioned, in any of his intermina...

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John Harris is typical of that sort of soi-distant faux-"leftist" who has always been ambivalent at best about Britain's main centre-left force, whilst being ludicrously starry-eyed about any "alternative" (which included, let it never be forgotten, the LibDems prior to May 2010)...

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Salmond comment on Marr this morning - "there aren't really any 'no' voters, just deferred 'yes' ones".

What???

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To the poster who complained of polling overload, there are at least half a dozen more IndyRef surveys between now and polling day

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Panelbase tonight has "no" narrowly ahead - but for that ICM bombshell, I would be feeling fairly confident now......

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Eoin Clarke suggesting the ICM Yes lead is a false report.

Its not

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Nationalism is sometimes justifiable as a lesser evil - for example the (Catholic) Irish had a good argument a century ago that they got a raw deal from the UK. But who can seriously argue that Scotland and Scots have been oppressed - certainly within living memory?? I am surprised how vehement I ha...

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"Labour eight point lead" http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/13/labour-stretches-lead-tories-eight-point-opinium-observer-poll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Good news! What's going on with commentators insisting the Tories are going to be returned to f...

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HindleA wrote:"Labour eight point lead"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... erver-poll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's out early - not that I am complaining in this instance

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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Roll on Friday, so I can stop agreeing with right leaning journalists. Most unbecoming.

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Not to mention G Galloway

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I see btw that the big Graun headline this morning is "big guns fail to halt yes bandwagon"...... Couldn't it just as much be "yes campaign still failing to secure lead"?? After all, there were no shortage of people (both sides of the border) rushing to tell us that the mere sigh...

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Brown and Galloway shared a platform last night, wouldn't have minded seeing that. Galloway said something along the lines of that he wouldn't mind Brown becoming Scotland's FM, Brown grinned and winked at him. For too long Labour have left the B Team alone in Scotland, that has to change, it has a...

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KRM has tweeted again, claiming that the "salmon folk" (sic) private polling still shows a tiny "yes" lead.....

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:ICM poll has No at 51% and Yes at 49%. 17% still undecided.
It's really too close to call isn't it?

Wow….

Though I expect more of the still "undecideds" to eventually vote no.

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No, everywhere voted for a Scottish parliament in 1997 (IIRC Orkney had the lowest "yes" vote then)

D&G was the only area to (just) go against tax-altering powers, though.

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Salmond now saying Scotland WILL vote "yes" in a week's time - no ifs, no buts.

His own "Sheffield Rally" moment draws ever closer......

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Cameron's surely too far gone for that.

Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.

Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.

Miliband's speech today was very good, too.

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New poll shows No with 6 point lead. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/independence-referendum-exclusive-daily-record-4196976" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol: I just did - :lol!: http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-p...

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New poll shows No with 6 point lead. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/independence-referendum-exclusive-daily-record-4196976" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol: They already had an answer for this before the poll came out - ...

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I see the spammer is from Saudi Arabia.

Can't they do something useful - like telling their government not to send Wahabiist preachers over here to brainwash young Muslims?

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Away from Scotland, it has been announced that the Heywood/Middleton by-election will be held on October 9 - same day as Clacton.

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"I care about my country more than my party" - for once, a good line from Cameron.

Shame that so few - either side of the border - will actually believe him. But, hey, that where a relentless diet of Crosbyism will get you

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And now it seems that Salmond is comparing an independent Scotland to post-apartheid South Africa.

Almost unbelievably offensive on all levels

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I see that John Major has been exhumed to claim this is all Labour's fault. Where does he think we would be now if Scotland *hadn't* been granted home rule, FFS?

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For all of the indy hysteria on all media fronts,I have yet to meet a single person actually talking about it without political forums.Even my ex husband,a Scot.Not even a mention. What are you all experiencing? I have heard it mentioned a bit, tbf - though that may be partly explainable by being r...

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I've seen allegations that an SNP MSP was encouraging 'yes' supporters to sign up to YouGov last spring. If it's true, I'm curious to know whether it could have made any difference to their polling results. Surely polls can't be manipulated that easily? I thought it was common knowledge that CyberN...

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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Rather good this:

http://labourlist.org/2014/09/a-message ... icked-lie/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

True also.

My MP, no less

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My, admittedly cynical, view is that Cameron and Clegg are going to Scotland because they can't bear the thought of Labour (whether Brown or Miliband) getting credit for "saving" the union - and yes, I really do think they can be that petty minded :roll: And no, the PM doesn't "secre...

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My, admittedly cynical, view is that Cameron and Clegg are going to Scotland because they can't bear the thought of Labour (whether Brown or Miliband) getting credit for "saving" the union - and yes, I really do think they can be that petty minded :roll: And no, the PM doesn't "secret...

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It is good that the Murdoch/Salmond thing is doing the rounds now - it is so at odds with Nat rhetoric that some must wonder.......

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You can bet your last quid if Scotland goes it will be Labour's fault, the murmurings have already started, here for example, it is also a fatalistic piece, rumours that Glasgow is going yes, Fife, Dundee also, once considered a safe unionist area. All conjecture at the moment, but I am finding it ...

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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
yahyah wrote:I've always liked Tea & Chocolate who posts on Cif, but her post this morning epitomises the madness some on the left seem to be suffering from.
I saw that. Doesn't trust Labour but does trust Salmond? Wow.

She has been very anti-Labour for a while now, regrettably.

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Ah, that old "private polls" chestnut again. Wee Eck can't be quite as confident as he makes out if he needs to try that sort of disinformation :) And maybe Labour should go big on the Murdoch thing in the closing days? Iain Martin made a pertinent point earlier, Salmond is on the one han...

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Ah, that old "private polls" chestnut again. Wee Eck can't be quite as confident as he makes out if he needs to try that sort of disinformation

And maybe Labour should go big on the Murdoch thing in the closing days?

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Where is it? North of Manchester, south of Rochdale basically.

He was in the HoC just two days ago voting against the "bedroom tax" - this has come right out of the blue despite his age

RIP.

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