Sending Owen Smith off to NI did show that Seumas had a hitherto well hidden sense of humour.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And Owen Smith FFS
How much more forgiveness do you want? Thing is in Corbyn's view Smith was I'm sure rather honourable. He set out his stall and put himself in front of the party in an election.
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- Tue 06 Feb, 2018 8:17 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 6th February 2018
- Replies: 88
- Views: 23231
Re: Tuesday 6th February 2018
- Tue 06 Feb, 2018 7:58 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 6th February 2018
- Replies: 88
- Views: 23231
Re: Tuesday 6th February 2018
Another shit experience with the NHS today. Underfunding is undoubtedly part of the story, alongside factors like an inability to get staff who can afford to live here. The NHS has proven very expensive to me in terms for time. In an emergency it is great. Not otherwise. I'm getting to the point wh...
- Tue 06 Feb, 2018 7:42 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 6th February 2018
- Replies: 88
- Views: 23231
Re: Tuesday 6th February 2018
The idea politicians like Reeves are in the wrong party is clearly false. There is no way that, for example, Rayner, Thornberry, Abrahams, Starmer are Corbynista types, yet they are prospering in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. It's clear that if you put totems and shibboleths aside, Labour politicians ca...
- Tue 06 Feb, 2018 7:11 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 6th February 2018
- Replies: 88
- Views: 23231
Re: Tuesday 6th February 2018
This standard response from you is becoming somewhat tedious, even if I might not disagree in some (a relatively few) cases. No less true. There is a whole generation of these moderates (or whatever label you prefer) who would have had expectations of being in government by now, but whose prospects...
- Tue 06 Feb, 2018 6:36 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 6th February 2018
- Replies: 88
- Views: 23231
Re: Tuesday 6th February 2018
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Rachel Reeves reminding us why she was once regarded as somebody to watch.
Wrong party now, she has no future. She shouldn't waste her life, go do something else.
- Tue 06 Feb, 2018 3:12 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Tuesday 6th February 2018
- Replies: 88
- Views: 23231
Re: Tuesday 6th February 2018
Another shit experience with the NHS today. Underfunding is undoubtedly part of the story, alongside factors like an inability to get staff who can afford to live here. The NHS has proven very expensive to me in terms for time. In an emergency it is great. Not otherwise. I'm getting to the point whe...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 11:37 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
This is amusing in its own way. Though I dont think many people pretended the Haringey Development Vehicle was going to fix homelessness. - What's the policy on X? - A Labour Government. (See also a "real Labour government", a "proper Labour Government" etc. https://pbs.twimg.co...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 8:49 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
Nats were up to 39% in the last poll. I think Indy is probably holed below the water- there's no way Yes is getting away with the economic rubbish it did last time- but they could easily get some of those Labour seats back. MoE stuff, the trend is still against the Nats in the longer term. By a 202...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 6:48 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
t it's still about appearing to offer the least damaging option, whilst being open to stopping Brexit if that's what people want, and the Tories don't seem able to do this. But where are these voters supposed to vote instead. There is no Green or LibDem surge and won't be. The numbers like me who a...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 5:06 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbyn-risks-losing-young-voters-if-labour-backs-leaving-the-eu-a3758201.html "Jeremy Corbyn risks leading Labour to a general election disaster if he is perceived by young voters as pro-Brexit, according to new research" Labour’s vote share would ...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 5:05 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: You are accusing AK of being "daft"?
Dear oh dear.
Aren;t we all from time to time? To err is human.
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 3:39 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government. Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the ...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 3:26 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
The Conservatives have at least succeeded in getting the press to regard "Brexit" as being all about the Conservative party - that is to say, it is largely being treated by the media as a parochial, and personality focussed matter rather than as a potential national disaster. A victory of...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 3:25 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government. Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the ...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 1:18 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
Notice that Labour still hasn't reacted to this Customs Union row. Labour should commit now to permanent membership of the Customs Union (or for fools, permanently being in a Customs Union with materially identical terms). Labour must now dismiss the views of the shadow secretary of state for intern...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 10:05 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
"We will not be staying in any CU in any way shape or form" is what the government has announced. That looks faily black and white to me. But instead they want close, frictionless alignment or a 'customs partnership' which seems vaguely similar, (although woolly, fuzzy & grey) "e...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 9:53 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
FT as ever measured and right
https://www.ft.com/content/618dbbc4-074 ... 0ad2d7c5b5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
May has proven astonishingly ill-suited to the job. what a sorry disaster the UK is.
https://www.ft.com/content/618dbbc4-074 ... 0ad2d7c5b5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
May has proven astonishingly ill-suited to the job. what a sorry disaster the UK is.
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 9:48 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
Today does nicely illustrate the difference between being in government and not. The current government position makes no sense. But that cannot hold. These cake and eat it policies (a custms union arrangement that has no hard border in Ireland is materially identical to the customs union but is inc...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 9:28 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
It is so transparently obvious that this ridiculous row is being driven by internal Tory party politics, and not what is best for the UK.
We'll be in the customs union regardless.
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 9:08 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
But the government are using it nonsensically, as part of the 'we can have just the relationship we have now but without the obligations or the oversight' idea. It is nonsensical whoever uses it. The substantive matter is whether we can enter into independent trade deals with therd party countries ...
- Mon 05 Feb, 2018 7:41 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Monday 5th February 2018
- Replies: 109
- Views: 28391
Re: Monday 5th February 2018
What utter nonsense this attempt to distinguish between "a" customs union and "the" customs union is. It wouldn't impress a small child.
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 6:17 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
i do love the moderators.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Pssst I think Hugo's been down the pub
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 6:10 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Here's the letter that David Lammy sent to Claire Kober last July about the Haringey scheme. https://twitter.com/_jackmckenna/status/960149786665127941" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I'd quite like to see a careful consideration of the pros and cons of this scheme from a t...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 6:06 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
I notice that SH is ignoring the Mogg supporter who punched a lady in the face. Just the "lefites shouting at people". I'm not. A disgusting thing to do. I am just perplexed as to why you think this excuses the people who went along in masks to disrupt the event. Just different groups of ...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 5:44 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Amusing test
https://www.idrlabs.com/political-left-right/test.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I am, inevitably, a left leaning centrist.
https://www.idrlabs.com/political-left-right/test.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I am, inevitably, a left leaning centrist.
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 5:43 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Brandon Lewis (who admittedly is only a member of the "right wing nutjob" government - and not the "right wing nutjob" press). Are you referring to his appearance on Sunday Politics? I watched it. He never said when I watched it that they were representatives of the Labour party...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 5:20 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Brandon Lewis (who admittedly is only a member of the "right wing nutjob" government - and not the "right wing nutjob" press). Are you referring to his appearance on Sunday Politics? I watched it. He never said when I watched it that they were representatives of the Labour party...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 5:17 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Again, why are you attributing this confusion to me? where have I ever said these people were Labour/Mometum?frog222 wrote:
Psst there's a difference between AntiFa and Labour/Momentum . But maybe that's a bit too complicated for you.
I've never said, or thought so.
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 5:15 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
@SH Rees-Mogg himself has defended the right of the antifa protesters to protest peacefully. Get a grip. Of course they have the freedom to do that. Is it however the right thing to do to turn up at a meeting on campus wearing masks and shouting down the speaker? Would you do it? Not only is it a b...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 4:19 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
And we think this excuses the protesters in face masks and sunglasses shouting down Rees-Mogg because? They're not fucking Labour for a start. Condemn them all you want, but don't cast aspersions. Also, there's a big difference between shouting and punching people in the face. There is indeed. How ...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 4:18 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
And we think this excuses the protesters in face masks and sunglasses shouting down Rees-Mogg because? They're not fucking Labour for a start. Condemn them all you want, but don't cast aspersions. I'm not at all sure what you mean? Who, even among the right wing nutjob press, has said they're repre...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 4:06 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
And we think this excuses the protesters in face masks and sunglasses shouting down Rees-Mogg because?
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 2:00 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
According to the article I read at the Express (yeuch), Mike Sivier has NOT been readmitted to Labour because he declined to accept the requirement that he would undertake training on anti-semitism. Not according to sivier himself who says he has been restored to full membership (you'll have to rea...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 1:44 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
According to the article I read at the Express (yeuch), Mike Sivier has NOT been readmitted to Labour because he declined to accept the requirement that he would undertake training on anti-semitism. Not according to sivier himself who says he has been restored to full membership (you'll have to rea...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 12:36 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
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The gist is at the top There's a hard-left infiltration of all the CLPs, forcing out all the moderate supporters to install a Marxist MP? Am I close? Because your reply was less than helpful. No. That would be a ridiculous and untrue thing to say. The actual claim is that a number of those expelled...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 12:03 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734eae6c-091c-11e8-8182-8ccf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Ah yes, the completely unb...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 10:43 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
The gist is at the top
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 10:27 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734eae6c-091c-11e8-8182-8ccf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; So you extrapolate a "...
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 9:58 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Good interview with kober on Marr I thought. Good *because* she was robustly challenged with the kind of points people on here would want put.
I wonder if front rank politicians are given an easier ride because it is feared they wouldn't otherwise come back?
I wonder if front rank politicians are given an easier ride because it is feared they wouldn't otherwise come back?
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 9:36 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
A whole week late to this, but it is clearly right
http://www.labourfirst.org/copy_of_councillors_letter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.labourfirst.org/copy_of_councillors_letter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Sun 04 Feb, 2018 9:29 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Sat 03 Feb, 2018 6:40 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
At a very basic level, you can build more cheaper homes on a given piece of land than you can build more expensive homes. If you don't focus on affordable housing then you end up with very expensive rentable values for btl landlords paid out by the state ... edited to add - and very expensive secon...
- Sat 03 Feb, 2018 4:47 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Put it another way. I've often got pressed on London getting huge sums for Crossrail and the like. And they are huge sums, objectively, not just in terms of "X times more than the South West" or whatever. It can be defended in terms of adding to the overall economy, which can be reinveste...
- Sat 03 Feb, 2018 4:39 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Interesting both with respect to housing policy and with respect to whether Khan and Corbyn are mates or not https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/959766055613812737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Bloody awful nimbyism though. We need more homes, not more barriers to bui...
- Sat 03 Feb, 2018 12:57 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Interesting both with respect to housing policy and with respect to whether Khan and Corbyn are mates or not https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/959766055613812737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Bloody awful nimbyism though. We need more homes, not more barriers to bui...
- Sat 03 Feb, 2018 12:49 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
That Parris piece is one of the best pieces of short form writing I've ever read. Astonishingly good.
- Sat 03 Feb, 2018 12:48 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Laura Pidcock on her feet right now at a Stop The War meeting, behind a sign referencing Trump.
No mention of Putin or Assad.
Grim, but what can you expect? Corbyn is central to the Stop the War fools.
- Sat 03 Feb, 2018 8:23 am
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
- Replies: 250
- Views: 52866
Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th February 2018
I know most won't have a sub to The Times, so here is an extract from Matthew Parris. He is so right https://twitter.com/smitajamdar/status/959682264283123714?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; UK po...
- Fri 02 Feb, 2018 10:01 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 2nd February 2018
- Replies: 93
- Views: 22722
Re: Friday 2nd February 2018
About why Corbyn won? No he hasn't.AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Dillow has rather changed his tune since then, it is fair to say.
Dillow is excellent. The most brilliant Marxist commentator on current politics I know.
Dismissing him (I know you wouldn't) just shows astonishing stupidity.
- Fri 02 Feb, 2018 9:44 pm
- Forum: The Daily Politics
- Topic: Friday 2nd February 2018
- Replies: 93
- Views: 22722
Re: Friday 2nd February 2018
This is a good explanation.adam wrote:
That was what I saw happen at the time. Tell me why you think Corbyn won.
http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... shame.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;