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From yesterday The report suggests no institutional anti-semitism in Labour because the investigation of all racism and abuse was as bad as each other and that the focus of the staff concerned was not on these more serious abuses but making sure potential Corbyn supporters could not vote in leaders...

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Abi Wilks falling into the trap here. Abi Wilkinson @AbiWilks If Labour had won 2017 we would have a well funded NHS with sufficient ventilators and PPE, and based on Corbyn’s interventions probably less disastrous policy in the early weeks, so it does quite matter that Labour staff were working ag...

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@willow Okay I accept that viewpoint but we have here a report that suggests Labour are institutionally racist - not just anti-Semitic but seemed completely unable to deal with any type of -ism at all until fairly recently. There is evidence of extremely violent, racist and sexist behaviour by senio...

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I wish I could forget. It looks like it's going to be another day of wall to wall "resurrection" and it's getting very frustrating as I really want to know what's happening, where the outbreak is worse, how it's affecting people, how many people have been laid off or are on furlough, whet...

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Not that I've got anything in particular against her, but she has neither got a long history of working 'pro bono' for good causes , nor has even a longtime membership of the LP ? Correct if wrong ! I genuinely have no idea Froggy, I'm not a member of the Labour Party, all I can base my criticism o...

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Hi all Some good analysis on what happened. Hard to disagree. I have had a feeling that the Tories would follow the Republican playbook and focus on demoralising Labour vote rather than converting it (although Brexit possibly helped the latter) If we look back further to 97 there was also indication...

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Interesting contributions from howsilly in yesterday's thread. "the Panorama documentary under the auspices of the JLM." Yeah, "interesting" views as to who is really "pulling the strings." I am glad I am sufficiently intelligent to be able to separate the activities o...

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The media though has decided Long-Bailey is not acceptable and she has suffered some terrible abuse already, but of course this is allowed as she is a left winger. Ok look, I don't want to be coming across as a confrontational dick but this is just nonsense. I've been a critic of Rebecca Long-Baile...

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My point is that while the impact of Momentum has been significant in some places it's been pretty irrelevant in others. Labour needs to be relevant everywhere and so I'm doubtful about the usefulness of a shadow party within a party which has even less reach than the Labour Party proper, especiall...

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@how silly,thank you for your input. thank you for saying so - not trying to cause disharmony just putting forward a (slightly) different point of view The Corbyn era is being comprehensively traduced by the press and certain people on the right of the party and I find it as appalling as it was whe...

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Persuading people? The point is that the right have the mass media basically on their side, and the left needs *something* to counter that. If not an energised activist base on the ground, then what?? In the area where I live there is no sign of that energised activist base on the ground. If anythi...

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And yet Labour remain (‘scuse the ‘pun’) out of power. as they were after 2010 and 2015 as well......and with poor membership numbers and morale Looking at 2019 election with Brexit unresolved, it was unwindable whatever Labour did I think. It was what they really always wanted to avoid - a Brexit ...

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Good evening Please permit me to intervene in some of these discussions discarding Momentum. I was a Labour member when Blair took power in the party in Scotland and those heady days before the realisation of what 'Blairism' was became more apparent over the years. The atmosphere started well but go...

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Merry Christmas everyone.....hope you have a good day

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"What’s disappointed me in my first two weeks in Brussels A freshman MEP from the British Green Party on what’s wrong with the EU capital." https://www.politico.eu/article/magid-magid-whats-disappointed-me-in-my-first-two-weeks-in-brussels/" onclick="window.open(this.href);retur...

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I understand that Johnson gave that one a miss, but plans to attend the BBC gathering. Perish the thought that he thinks he might get an easier ride in that one....... Evening all, Hope everyone is well I am no fan of Johnson (quelled surprise) but am a bit flummoxed about the flack he is getting f...

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The crime Johnson has been accused of, misconduct in public office, has a maximum sentence of life. It's not a charge that would ever be brought lightly. That someone running for the Conservative leadership should be facing such a charge is quite remarkable on the one hand and somewhat unsurprising...

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Good morfternoon. Corbyn could come out fighting with a rebellious remain and reform agenda Yes - but will he? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/29/jeremy-corbyn-remain-labour-eu-elections I hope so. But it remains a knotty problem. Corbyn can't just ignore places like Doncaster ho...

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Good evening all Momentous and interesting times....who knows what will happen Saw Gove on Sky earlier - he looked death warmed up and the Brexiteers are fizzing Not sure how this will end up and many risks for Labour but if you want to influence the outcome then you have to take risks. This all sta...

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He needn't have sat there politely listening to Theresa May. I'm fairly sure that he'd have been forgiven by the others for interrupting her and making his own points. Complete and utter waste of time unless the other person is prepared to listen - and you have Umunna here whose biggest enemy isn't...

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Paul Brand ‏@PaulBrandITV NEW: Understand Jeremy Corbyn refused to join meeting with opposition leaders because Chuka Umunna was there. “He’s not a proper party leader”. Corbyn walked out. He could have made his point but remained in the meeting. Totally counter-productive action in all contexts. E...

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Hate to say it, but I think that radical change to UK politics (lots more parties plus PR) is one of not very many ways forward for the (aristocracy-laden) UK to move forwards now But that is not going to be the outcome of this is it? The outcome is a destroyed Labour Party - the last gift of the f...

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If the backstop doesn't keep the UK effectively in the EU customs union if no deal is agreed, as everyone has been complaining about, I'm kind of wondering why the hard Brexiteers in the Tory party are so against it.... As for the WA not covering the future relationship, that's precisely why object...

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The red lines will change though and Barnier says the WA would be able to be changed to take that into account. It is not a renegotiation as the bulk would stay the same. Probably need something to change the guarantee of no border but it would not be the mess the current one is and also the Tories...

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The red lines will change though and Barnier says the WA would be able to be changed to take that into account. It is not a renegotiation as the bulk would stay the same. Probably need something to change the guarantee of no border but it would not be the mess the current one is and also the Tories ...

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There will be some sort of legally required guarantee but it would not be subject to the red lines so will not be the same. 'A' backstop is required but 'the' backstop May has proposed is not necessarily the only way to do it. There is also the political dimension - I do not believe the Tories are t...

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But if the red lines shift enough, there will be no need for a backstop and one of the big problems will fall away. I don't agree with that at all, the backstop would stay in the WA as a legal necessity even if the PD changes direction. Not if we come up with a solution that doesn't require a hard ...

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But if the red lines shift enough, there will be no need for a backstop and one of the big problems will fall away. I don't agree with that at all, the backstop would stay in the WA as a legal necessity even if the PD changes direction. PfY is right the backstop is a problem because of her red line...

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I didn't take Willow904 's post to be a criticism of Jeremy Corbyn (although I suppose it could have been one). Just a statement of fact. Anyway - I think he's done the right thing. I'm not sure if he's doing the right thing or not, but you're right, I was just relaying the latest news as to Corbyn...

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just a thought - if by some miracle we can get a deal through and we start negotiations - should there be a GE to decide who carries them out because it is clear the Tories as it stands now are incapable of doing it competently and we will be here again in 2 years, and 2 years after that before the ...

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So not window dressing, then. It seems Corbyn is refusing to talk to May. The deadlock continues. No he is not refusing to speak to her - he wants her to remove no deal before any substantive talks. What else do you want him to go in and say? Why do we always get the reaction 'Corbyn this and Corby...

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May still needs something remember - this is only another step along the path and she is faltering and staggering every one The VoNC was never going to win and, in fact, was possibly an error because everyone knew what was going to happen but it was inevitable as it seems a lot of the people speakin...

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PfY My experience Arrive and passport scanned 3 months free visit After 3 months have to demonstrate I have health insurance and register with commune Given temporary permit for 1 year If get job then get 5 year permit If not then temporary can be renewed or not depending on circumstances After 5 ye...

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I think a fair criticism of Labour's plan and 6 tests is why not Remain. I also think it is unfair to be too critical though of people who are not party to any negotiations and discussions. What a Labour deal or recommendation would be is not possible to say On FoM...legally that ends on March 29th ...

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Good morning all Belated Happy New Year May has three options. Agree something with the opposition parties which will mean a softer Brexit than she wants and won't be acceptable to the Tories. Party will be torn apart The other option will be referendum which will probably need to be three way to ha...

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And to add There is no limit on number of NCV and Thatcher took a few to get Callaghan. In those days though no TV or radio in commons so less impact. I cannot see any opposition having more than one go His attempt to sniff out any rebels was a good idea although may not work as well as hoped it doe...

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Afternoon Well those who say there is 'no opposition' are shown to be mistaken as Corbyn has tried every trick in the book to get May out. What people mean by 'no opposition' actually means 'does not do what I want him to do' The current criticism is clearly meant to force him to another referendum....

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and to ask them the same question 'what is the point?' There is no point to any of these opposition motions apart from putting pressure on the PM and Government - there is very little any opposition can do in the face of a majority and the DUP are giving her that, whilst all the empty vessels such a...

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I must admit I am a bit pissed off with the reaction we are seeing to this Corbyn is not providing opposition and so he tries a smart tactic of making this about May rather than the Government because a large swathe of her party have no confidence in her and the speeches today were very negative He ...

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I don't think there will much new to discuss on the backstop. The legal position is the same as before. It is indefinitely temporary....why allow her to prevaricate more The issue is May cannot deliver a deal that fulfils the requirements on avoiding a border based on her red lines Other options co...

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I don't think there will much new to discuss on the backstop. The legal position is the same as before. It is indefinitely temporary....why allow her to prevaricate more The issue is May cannot deliver a deal that fulfils the requirements on avoiding a border based on her red lines Other options cou...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:You can say that again, howsilly

Haha.

On mobile and can't find how to delete. If PfY or Dan would be so kind

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gilsey wrote:@hsom
Once we're in transition the A50 period is over and revocation off the table, sadly.
We'd have to apply to rejoin.

Just looked back. You are right...apologies

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@adam I think there is some deliberate confusion in the media about Norway plus. I think when Nicky Morgan uses it she means to have our own agreement that looks something like a Norway arrangement. The Norway won't let us argument is (and now I'm sounding confrontational) a bit facile! So, what ab...

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Good morning We are currently in a period of many opinions and the papers are full of potential scenarios but none of them look that realistic or plausible to me. I have come up with my own view of what I would hope could happen to see what people think and to criticise as required. There are two as...

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-lib-dems-jeremy-corbyn-tory-deal-poll-yougov-a8685786.html?amp "Brexit: Labour would fall behind Lib Dems if Corbyn backs May's deal, polls finds" "The YouGov poll also shows growing support for Britain remaining in the EU ...

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The EU rules in some aspects are clearly unacceptable to some of us and that includes the Labour leadership. How that would affect a deal is difficult to say as 'Remain and Reform' is the policy. I still believe the only chance we have is to push for a GE keeping the option for another vote if that ...

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EFTA isn't the only way to stay in the single market or otherwise the backstop, that seeks to keep NI in the single market, couldn't happen. The EU is primarily concerned with the integrity of the single market, if the UK is willing to accept the four freedoms I'd be extremely surprised if a way co...

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And just to add the 'Norway+ Option' is just kicking the can down the road. What do you think will get blamed at the next recession? You think the Tories will blame their extreme neoliberal austerity politics or blame the rule enforcing EU? My response is a GE that gives a Gment (hopefully) a mandat...

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I am reminded of ?Brexit means Brexit' by the 'People Vote means Peoples Vote' There seems to be a movement towards it (mainly led by a number of has-beens, never-wheres and discredited politicians) but with no real idea of how it would work It has no electoral mandate - not necessarily insurmountab...

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