Saturday & Sunday, 7th & 8th May.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 8:56 am

Good moaning.

What a load of stop-a-beds.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 8:59 am

Defence Secretary Fallon, blasts Sadiq Khan as 'Labour lackey who shares platforms with extremists'

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/de ... 92571.html

This is appalling.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sat 07 May, 2016 9:03 am

Morning.
Got my cast off yesterday! Still swollen to my surprise. Got to wear a special boot for 3 weeks. Going to my first match since March today. Had my first shower since March too. Bliss!

Did anyone else hear Fallon making a complete and utter arse of himself on Toady? Still going on about Khan's extremist links. May have libelled Gani.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 9:26 am

frightful_oik wrote:Morning.
Got my cast off yesterday! Still swollen to my surprise. Got to wear a special boot for 3 weeks. Going to my first match since March today. Had my first shower since March too. Bliss!

Did anyone else hear Fallon making a complete and utter arse of himself on Toady? Still going on about Khan's extremist links. May have libelled Gani.

I saw mention of a drink problem re Fallon? Perhaps he'd been consoling himself a bit too heavily...
I suppose you can't blame the Beeb for what comes out of the man's mouth, and it's yet another nail in the Cons coffin when they are so blatant...
In the shelter of their own homes I daresay a lot of people were nodding in agreement, but you can't have members of the cabinet spouting off like that on national radio.

Cameron has lost control. We're at crisis point, but he's surrounded himself with such a bunch of useless, nasty tossers the country is rudderless.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Sat 07 May, 2016 9:37 am

Good Morning everyone.
Good Morning Mr Mayor,sir.
Thankyou ,London,for not backing Zac.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 9:55 am

Rebecca wrote:Good Morning everyone.
Good Morning Mr Mayor,sir.
Thankyou ,London,for not backing Zac.

As Brucie would say - 'Didn't they do well!'

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:03 am

Morning all.

So happy about Sadiq Khan's win. Woooh - London has a Labour mayor again. Long time coming.

Vile though the Goldsmith and Cameron campaign has been - it may yet prove to be helpful for the future. It has achieved such notoriety and backfired so spectacularly it may mean such tactics can be very quickly called out in future campaigns - and because there is now a pretty established pattern to the Tory tactics of dividing / othering groups and demonising and scaring - it loses some of its efficacy and can be recognised by more people. It's also going to make more Tory MPs and politicians feel rather more wary about resorting to such tactics. The old shits like Fallon who are prepared to say and shout the indefensible are on the way out ... the newer intake with ambitions and hopes won't want to associate themselves with such stuff. That's my hope anyway.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:07 am

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 39m39 minutes ago

I'll be presenting with David Mellor on LBC from 10am to 12 noon. Our guests inc. Michael Heseltine, Charlie Falconer Liam Fox, Dan Hodges

Now that is what you'd call slanted.

Thanks but no thanks.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:13 am

frightful_oik wrote:Morning.
Got my cast off yesterday! Still swollen to my surprise. Got to wear a special boot for 3 weeks. Going to my first match since March today. Had my first shower since March too. Bliss!

Did anyone else hear Fallon making a complete and utter arse of himself on Toady? Still going on about Khan's extremist links. May have libelled Gani.

Morning Oik

and never forget that Cameron himself repeated the claim in the House, where of course the lying toad is protected by parliamentary privilege.

Dave will happily see Fallon taking the flak for this.....

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:16 am

Tim Montgomerie in Conservative Home - worth reading.

Zac was crushed and lost his authenticity. Because he followed the Crosby playbook – which failed him, the Conservatives and London
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetory ... tably.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting discussion of election tactics etc re 2015 and for the future and in comments BTL too.

I agree with what a lot of Tim has said

We won at the last election because of a superb 'project fear' campaign about ed Miliband and the SNP, that's enough to get a narrow win against a weak opponent but as Tim says it'll never be enough to get past 35% or so nationally and get a decent majority - we have to have a positive message to reach out to the people - and bashing doctors and badgering schools isn't that message either

Zac has always struck me as a thoughtful honest man and I don't think his campaign put that across anywhere near enough

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:20 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Morning all.

So happy about Sadiq Khan's win. Woooh - London has a Labour mayor again. Long time coming.

Vile though the Goldsmith and Cameron campaign has been - it may yet prove to be helpful for the future. It has achieved such notoriety and backfired so spectacularly it may mean such tactics can be very quickly called out in future campaigns - and because there is now a pretty established pattern to the Tory tactics of dividing / othering groups and demonising and scaring - it loses some of its efficacy and can be recognised by more people. It's also going to make more Tory MPs and politicians feel rather more wary about resorting to such tactics. The old shits like Fallon who are prepared to say and shout the indefensible are on the way out ... the newer intake with ambitions and hopes won't want to associate themselves with such stuff. That's my hope anyway.

It actually coincided nicely with the rumblings of fraud. Now the elections are over, and we might [big word] get more publicity on the election overspends, hopefully it will awaken the sense of duty, fair play and decency we Brits are supposed to have in abundance. Some of us never lost it. Many have.
I find it ironic that the very people - uppers - who propagated those qualities whether real or imagined, have trampled them into the ground.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:21 am

And thank you Owen Jones for a great piece on 'doing a Zac' in the G.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:23 am

rebeccariots2 wrote: Zac has always struck me as a thoughtful honest man and I don't think his campaign put that across anywhere near enough

We've been hearing that a lot, Jemima of course, but even John McDonnell on Thursday night.
I think he's been outed as a lightweight, he let someone else run his campaign and has ended up with his reputation trashed.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:25 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:And thank you Owen Jones for a great piece on 'doing a Zac' in the G.

Just don't bother going btl,a rather foul place to find yourself,(or oneself if feeling a bit posh)on a Saturday morning.
Full of very nasty Tory comments.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:27 am

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 17m17 minutes ago
Suliman Gani should sue Michael Fallon for repeating the libel that he's a supporter of ISIS on Radio 4 this morning.

If some crowd funding is required for that I would chip in. It needs to be done to stop people like Fallon getting away with using their privileged platforms - our national broadcaster FFS - to make such slurs. It would also keep Cameron's equally / worse behaviour in the HoC in the news.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:28 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Tim Montgomerie in Conservative Home - worth reading.

Zac was crushed and lost his authenticity. Because he followed the Crosby playbook – which failed him, the Conservatives and London
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetory ... tably.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Interesting discussion of election tactics etc re 2015 and for the future and in comments BTL too.
I agree with what a lot of Tim has said

We won at the last election because of a superb 'project fear' campaign about ed Miliband and the SNP, that's enough to get a narrow win against a weak opponent but as Tim says it'll never be enough to get past 35% or so nationally and get a decent majority - we have to have a positive message to reach out to the people - and bashing doctors and badgering schools isn't that message either

Zac has always struck me as a thoughtful honest man and I don't think his campaign put that across anywhere near enough

Young Zac with his cushioned life style where everything comes easy, failed to realise one thing.
You can't be a Tory, rise to the top and be honest, decent and thoughtful. It's like trying to mix oil and water. The ESA cuts which all the Tories voted for, proved that. Many head charities. If they really cared; gave it thought, they could not have gone along with the Conservative line.

I would label him naive.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:30 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 17m17 minutes ago
Suliman Gani should sue Michael Fallon for repeating the libel that he's a supporter of ISIS on Radio 4 this morning.
If some crowd funding is required for that I would chip in. It needs to be done to stop people like Fallon getting away with using their privileged platforms - our national broadcaster FFS - to make such slurs. It would also keep Cameron's equally / worse behaviour in the HoC in the news.

Me too.

I've already donated to the fund to take Hunt to court. Money well spent

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:35 am

I'm going on a picnic later today ... Last minute as son has been keeping an eye on the weather. He sprang it on us yesterday evening.
Normally I enjoy doing the food, but waiting 'til Friday evening when the fridge is decidedly bare? They'll have to fend for themselves this time.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:36 am

Good morfternoon.

Martin Rowson on Tony Blair and Labour's election results – cartoon

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... an-cartoon

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:38 am

John Rentoul ‏@JohnRentoul 5m5 minutes ago
John Rentoul Retweeted Iain Martin
SNP slump to 2 seats short of a majority.

Iain Martin
‏@iain1963
@JohnRentoul @Scottishcringe @paulieboy1 the other parties must dream of that level of 'failure'.

I'm going to point out *again* - that this is pretty much exactly the same level of 'failure' (if we're not being Rentoul / Martin sardonic 'success') that Labour in Wales achieved. Holyrood has double the number of seats as the Welsh Assembly - the SNP are 2 seats short of a majority - Labour are 1 seat down from last time.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:40 am

Fallon's fucked, Gani will sue has arse off for that.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:46 am

Yes. There is a God.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:51 am

'Does anyone know what time Hopkins is doing the sausage thing?'

From BTL on the Huff Post piece on Tories congratulating Khan.

Does anyone know?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 10:52 am

gilsey wrote:Yes. There is a God.

I wish. He'd have struck the buggers down at birth if there were.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:00 am

Idle thought.
I wonder what Rustinpeace thinks of yesterdays results? He/she Tweeted that he/she paid £3 and voted for Corybyn because he spelled failure for Labour.

I thanked him for his vote then.

Need to thank him again.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:02 am

Mr Riots is back to culinary form. House filled with smoke from charred toast.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:04 am

Temulkar wrote:Fallon's fucked, Gani will sue has arse off for that.

I really hope Mr Gani is closeted with his lawyers right now.
Because there is no way in the world that the british government should get away with smearing a british citizen like this.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:06 am

Sayeeda Warsi ‏@SayeedaWarsi 12h12 hours ago
From this daughter of a Pakistani bus driver to a son of a Pakistani bus driver congratulations @SadiqKhan

Her congrats seem to have been a bit overlooked.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:07 am

ohsocynical wrote:Idle thought.
I wonder what Rustinpeace thinks of yesterdays results? He/she Tweeted that he/she paid £3 and voted for Corybyn because he spelled failure for Labour.

I thanked him for his vote then.

Need to thank him again.

Didn't our own Technical Ephemera predict many losses due to Corbyn just a few days ago?
Or am I not remembering correctly?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:09 am

He wasn't alone, tbf. I thought significant council losses were almost nailed on and said so.

Thought we might drop a few more seats in Wales too.

Delighted to be wrong

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:10 am

What do we reckon the relationship between Khan and Teresa May will turn out to be like? I'm betting she won't want to go anywhere near the Fallon / Cameron type remarks whilst she is looking towards a possible leadership campaign.

Wonder if Khan will find a good use for some redundant water cannon. Hosing down far too flammable senior Tory MPs spouting racist smears?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:13 am

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Labour up 2% on those figures, Tories down 5%

Jon Trickett ‏@jon_trickett 21h21 hours ago
Jon Trickett Retweeted Laura Kuenssberg

Fantastic news for @jeremycorbyn's @UKLabour. First national test of new leadership & we've beaten the Tories. Jon Trickett added,

I bet it hurt her to say that.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:16 am

Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 23m23 minutes ago
Don't agree with all of it, but CCHQ should take this @Mohammed_Amin critique of @ZacGoldsmith campaign v.seriously

Mohammed Amin: I’m a Conservative, and voted for Zac. But I was disgusted by his repeated, risible attempts to smear Khan
http://www.conservativehome.com/platfor ... -khan.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:17 am

As Mayor of London we can assume that Khan will be called on by the BBC etc to pronounce on every political issue of the moment can't we?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:18 am

Peter Oborne ‏@OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago

Please sign this petition urging Prime Minister to apologise to Suliman Gani for making false claims against him:

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2016/0 ... ainst-him/

Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:23 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:As Mayor of London we can assume that Khan will be called on by the BBC etc to pronounce on every political issue of the moment can't we?

Hopefully, the contrast when Khan starts putting through decent changes will show just how bad Boris was at the job, and dissuade dotty Tories from saying they'd like to see him as PM ...

Well, I can live in hope can't I?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:26 am

ohsocynical wrote:
Peter Oborne ‏@OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago

Please sign this petition urging Prime Minister to apologise to Suliman Gani for making false claims against him:

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2016/0 ... ainst-him/
Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.

I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:32 am

Last thought before I venture out into the Spring weather, I hope Dave is slaughtered for his lie about Gani.

It really was an abuse of parliamentary privilege, because the lie had already been uttered by Goldsmith (or his campaign) outside of the House, and debunked.

So, Dave took into the house a known lie and repeated it. He should go.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:33 am

After a week in which he has been pilloried across social media, one might expect George Osborne to steer clear of Twitter for a while. Instead, he issued a series of bizarre tweets on Friday morning which gave Twitter users ample fuel to roast the Chancellor once again.

Seemingly in reaction to Tory gains against the SNP in Scotland, Mr Osborne issued this nonsensical and classless tweet. He followed it up with a rash of others, none of which seemed to particularly impress anyone.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/05/06/geor ... n-results/

Oh good Lord.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:36 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Last thought before I venture out into the Spring weather, I hope Dave is slaughtered for his lie about Gani.

It really was an abuse of parliamentary privilege, because the lie had already been uttered by Goldsmith (or his campaign) outside of the House, and debunked.

So, Dave took into the house a known lie and repeated it. He should go.

At any other time in our history, he'd have resigned.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:39 am

Does anyone know if Khan is planning to stay on as an MP?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:39 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Peter Oborne ‏@OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago

Please sign this petition urging Prime Minister to apologise to Suliman Gani for making false claims against him:

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2016/0 ... ainst-him/
Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.

I've pointed out several times to gloating Tories btl at the G who think Corbyn means the Tories automatically win in 2020 that there's nothing about Labour doing badly ( if they do under Corbyn ) that directly translates into the Tories doing well. There are other parties and Coalitions remain a possibility. Both the main parties have been steadily losing popularity and the old adage that ruling parties rarely increase their vote share remains relevant. I believe post-Cameron could prove far trickier than they expect.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:41 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Peter Oborne ‏@OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago

Please sign this petition urging Prime Minister to apologise to Suliman Gani for making false claims against him:

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2016/0 ... ainst-him/
Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.

I'd class them as old style Tories. It's been hard to understand why so many have kept quiet. It's taken an awful long time for them to speak out.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:46 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Does anyone know if Khan is planning to stay on as an MP?

Don't think so. There'll be a by election in Tooting.

As I said last night - wonder which candidate and party Suliman Gani - constituent and imam in Tooting - will feel like supporting?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:50 am

Rebecca wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:And thank you Owen Jones for a great piece on 'doing a Zac' in the G.
Just don't bother going btl,a rather foul place to find yourself,(or oneself if feeling a bit posh)on a Saturday morning.
Full of very nasty Tory comments.

Tories pay money for that support - they'd not get it otherwise

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:51 am

good-morning, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:53 am

Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.
I've pointed out several times to gloating Tories btl at the G who think Corbyn means the Tories automatically win in 2020 that there's nothing about Labour doing badly ( if they do under Corbyn ) that directly translates into the Tories doing well. There are other parties and Coalitions remain a possibility. Both the main parties have been steadily losing popularity and the old adage that ruling parties rarely increase their vote share remains relevant. I believe post-Cameron could prove far trickier than they expect.

(my bold)

Holy smokes - that must have confused the hell out of them

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:57 am

Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.
I've pointed out several times to gloating Tories btl at the G who think Corbyn means the Tories automatically win in 2020 that there's nothing about Labour doing badly ( if they do under Corbyn ) that directly translates into the Tories doing well. There are other parties and Coalitions remain a possibility. Both the main parties have been steadily losing popularity and the old adage that ruling parties rarely increase their vote share remains relevant. I believe post-Cameron could prove far trickier than they expect.

Think I've remembered it right. Tories down 5%? Labour up 2%?

They say with those percentages Labour would have won yesterday.

It's boundary changes that make the Tories the biggest danger now.
I think their policies and uselessness have finally begun to sink in so the only way they have a chance is to skew constituencies in their favour.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Sat 07 May, 2016 12:00 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.
I'd class them as old style Tories. It's been hard to understand why so many have kept quiet. It's taken an awful long time for them to speak out.

If Zac had won they wouldn't have said anything.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 07 May, 2016 12:02 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I'm going on a picnic later today ... Last minute as son has been keeping an eye on the weather. He sprang it on us yesterday evening.
Normally I enjoy doing the food, but waiting 'til Friday evening when the fridge is decidedly bare? They'll have to fend for themselves this time.

He's a good son, what a lovely person. It's the Ohso families of the world keeping life a joy.