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James Landale @BBCJLandale 8m8 minutes ago
James Landale Retweeted Michael Savage
I fear a muddle. Parliament could not realistically stop Brexit but it could keep the UK in the single market
Michael Savage
@michaelsavage
Lord Astor, Cameron's father-in-law and Tory peer, goes on record to say parliament could conspire to block Brexit: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/th ... ng-remain/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Is 'conspire' the appropriate term? Parliament isn't legally obliged to do anything more than look at results of a referendum, if that's all
Parliament chooses to do. It'd be scandalous, but not illegal. Buying an election is illegal. Looking at the results of a referendum, filing
it under "R", throwing people off the electoral register and charging them £80 each for failing to to be on it isn't illegal.
Earlier, Andrew Sparrow jokingly said that all that was required was for the Archbishop of Canterbury to join the EU fray. It now seems that Andrew Sparrow's prayers have been answered -
34m ago (15 36)
Archbishop of Canterbury accuses Farage of racism and 'accentuating fear for political gain'
Politics Live, Guardian)
James Landale @BBCJLandale 8m8 minutes ago
James Landale Retweeted Michael Savage
I fear a muddle. Parliament could not realistically stop Brexit but it could keep the UK in the single market
Michael Savage
@michaelsavage
Lord Astor, Cameron's father-in-law and Tory peer, goes on record to say parliament could conspire to block Brexit: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/th ... ng-remain/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
The referendum is on whether we want to remain full members of the EU or not. If we leave, we should ideally have a general election where the various parties can lay out their preferred future relationship with Europe and gain a mandate to pursue it. This clearly is unlikely to happen. Whichever Tory ends up in charge will pursue whichever option they personally most favour that they can win a majority for in the Commons. It will likely have little resemblance to anything promised by the leave campaign. On the other hand, it may be difficult to finalise any post-referendum policy by 2020, so I suppose we could end up with a chance to express an opinion eventually. If the result does end up as a win for "leave", I'll be hoping for a "go slow" and that will end up the case.
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
Latest couple of polls giving a tiny lead for "remain" (though, interestingly, a bigger advantage before likelihood to vote is factored in - shows how turnout is key)
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Latest couple of polls giving a tiny lead for "remain" (though, interestingly, a bigger advantage before likelihood to vote is factored in - shows how turnout is key)
I wonder if the sample error issues from the GE have been properly resolved yet? I dare say we'll find out on 24 June.
I don't like how close things are. If the result is anything much less than a 10% lead for remain it will only embolden the leavers. Even if we don't get another referendum in the immediate future, they aren't going to shut up about it.
Of course, two can play this game. It must equally follow that in the event of an Out vote, there would be an argument for holding a fresh referendum on the basis of the same two criteria. Article 50 TEU, the ‘withdrawal’ clause, expressly provides that a State can apply to rejoin the EU if it leaves. It’s also arguable that a State can cancel its withdrawal request, although Article 50 is not clear on this point either way. Certainly it’s possible to suspend a withdrawal request de facto , by delaying the withdrawal date indefinitely.
There were already comments justifying another referendum (because this one is unfair).
Our granddaughter Beth has been invited to go in the Royal Enclosure at Ascot...
I remarked to my son that perhaps she'd snag a millionaire and all our troubles would be over. He said if the millionaires he had come across in the course of his work were anything to go by, he'd kill her if she did.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
William Green @politicseditor 9m9 minutes ago
Voter registration site to take part in #EUreferendum does seem to have crashed @CharlotteV @ITVAllegra @Peston
