Saturday and Sunday, 11th and 12th June respectively, 2016

[mbc1955]

He's handled the whole thing so badly, though. I honestly can't work out what he thought he could gain from his strategy and tactics. He's not standing for re-election so what was going on in his mind? Because even as a career move to bolster his prospects outside mainstream politics it makes no sense to me. He can't have impressed anyone.

The only explanation I can come up with is that Cameron is fantastically more stupid, self-centred and incapable of understanding probable outcomes than the most cynical and pessimistic of us imagined. I cannot conceive of a mindset that thinks that the disaster unfurling before us- which is going to last waaaaay beyond the result - is a desirable thing or even worth the risk, and so I can only put it down to massive stupidity. Cameron really had no idea of what he was doing and what he was unleashing. Already, what we took for normal, for civilised, has vanished. It's not coming back. It really isn't.

My son works on rich people's gardens. Believe me, if you heard how they live and act, you wouldn't question Cameron's behaviour.
It's arrogance, having their every whim granted and being indulged from birth. It's disgusting and beyond our imaginations.

Edited to add: and they're often deeply unhappy.

That's one of the most horrible things I've ever heard. And sadly believable. And it won't be them who suffer.

[rebeccariots2]

Over at UK Polling Report they're having a discussion about whether a snap general election in October is on the cards if it's a Brexit win and a new Tory leader is installed. Some are querying whether the opposition would actually support a motion of no confidence - which is what it would take - if they don't particularly want, and probably can't afford, an election that quickly. Hmmmm.

It needs more than a motion of no confidence, because of the fixed term thing.

Labour should say "you have a mandatem govern".

Repeal the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 with a majority vote in the House

Apparently they didn't really sort out what should happen re repealing / abolishing it when they brought it in - or so others were saying. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

[citizenJA]

Already, what we took for normal, for civilised, has vanished. It's not coming back. It really isn't.

I hope you're wrong, but fear you're not.

Six months ago with the NHS, housing, persecution of the disabled, in other words, the postwar consensus torn up, I thought the outlook for this country was as bad as it could possibly be. How naive of me.

Nationalism is a very ugly thing indeed.

Yesterday in Hanley was wonderful. People who've either recently come from places all over the world or having lived here a couple generations - an ethnically diverse crowd of people. I couldn't place all the languages I heard. No troubles, people were happy. Families, kids everywhere. I used to live near San Francisco. Lots of different people from other countries came to live there. Yesterday in Hanley, different people either born in other countries or having had recent ancestors move here coming together in one place. It's the West Midlands.

It was like being in an International airport without any of the armed guards, bad air quality, dismal surroundings and stressed-out, fractious people. Even when we got caught in the pouring down rain, people were mostly laughing. Maybe Hanley got rowdy after dark but I didn't see or hear any trouble. There was one red 'LEAVE' posters in a window. Another poster in the window next door, 'AND GO WHERE?'. I noticed that in a neighbourhood with lots of student accommodation. People from all over the world come to study.

I'm not forcing this story to fit what I'd like people to be like. It honestly happened. What sets off some people into doing anti-social things and another laughing without hurting anyone?

[ohsocynical]

The only explanation I can come up with is that Cameron is fantastically more stupid, self-centred and incapable of understanding probable outcomes than the most cynical and pessimistic of us imagined. I cannot conceive of a mindset that thinks that the disaster unfurling before us- which is going to last waaaaay beyond the result - is a desirable thing or even worth the risk, and so I can only put it down to massive stupidity. Cameron really had no idea of what he was doing and what he was unleashing. Already, what we took for normal, for civilised, has vanished. It's not coming back. It really isn't.

My son works on rich people's gardens. Believe me, if you heard how they live and act, you wouldn't question Cameron's behaviour.
It's arrogance, having their every whim granted and being indulged from birth. It's disgusting and beyond our imaginations.

Edited to add: and they're often deeply unhappy.

That's one of the most horrible things I've ever heard. And sadly believable. And it won't be them who suffer.

It'd be dead easy to bring them to their knees. Withdraw all the services eg, rubbish collection, cleaning, keeping their homes running. Don't unblock their toilets, don't clean up the bed after they've shat and vomited in it and not told anyone, don't clean up the tennis court after a drunk, drug addled son and his friends have lobbed beer bottles at you while you're working...

We facilitate their existence. They are disgusting. Truly.

[rebeccariots2]

So having listened to Radio 4 news at one .... I'm in need of a prop for my jaw after learning that not only did the Queen charge £100 per ticket for attending her birthday bash - but she also had commercial sponsors for the event. What a bloody cheek - if you throw a party you don't charge people for coming surely - especially when someone else is already paying for it.

Plastic ponchos isn't a great look ... but it does seem very British somehow.

Editing to add: Just realised I got the price wrong - it's actually £150 a ticket. As someone else said seems an awful lot to pay to have lunch in the pouring rain and not be allowed to have an umbrella.

[citizenJA]

There's only one thing worse than having too little to survive and that's have too much for one person to possess. Most of us socialise with each other from childhood in order to get through our days, our lives, in a more or less civilised way. It's a skill learned. In a tough spot, you want people who can work together, you know? Most people can do that well enough because of practice. I liked not having too much. It prevents me from being too selfish. Enough is good. Making sure the people have what they need is the work of good leadership. The people deserve this and have every right to expect good leadership from government.

[citizenJA]

Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011

"The Act applies until it is repealed..."

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ry/SN06111" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Maeght]

The best article I read today was from Der Spiegel . A zoo in Stuttgart has been experimenting with video dating for orang utans. Sinta a female from Stuttgart was shown a 10 minute video of Gempa a male from Prague. She concentrated on it for 10 minutes. Her keeper said she had never seen her so fascinated.I think the picture is brilliant.

[ohsocynical]

Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair demanded over $500,000 USD to speak at a conference on world hunger.

The organizers disinvited him.

Blair was asked to address the 2015 EAT Food Forum in Stockholm, Sweden, a conference that claims its vision “is a transformation of the global food system to sustainably feed a healthy population of nine billion people by mid-Century.”

http://bennorton.com/tony-blair-demande ... 0-minutes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ohsocynical]

So having listened to Radio 4 news at one .... I'm in need of a prop for my jaw after learning that not only did the Queen charge £100 per ticket for attending her birthday bash - but she also had commercial sponsors for the event. What a bloody cheek - if you throw a party you don't charge people for coming surely - especially when someone else is already paying for it.

Plastic ponchos isn't a great look ... but it does seem very British somehow.

Editing to add: Just realised I got the price wrong - it's actually £150 a ticket. As someone else said seems an awful lot to pay to have lunch in the pouring rain and not be allowed to have an umbrella.

Charities were asked but had to pay too. And just to keep things tidy, I believe a relative? Anne's son? his company, got the contract.

I think she's showing her age. Common sense should have told her it wasn't the best idea.

[rebeccariots2]

So having listened to Radio 4 news at one .... I'm in need of a prop for my jaw after learning that not only did the Queen charge £100 per ticket for attending her birthday bash - but she also had commercial sponsors for the event. What a bloody cheek - if you throw a party you don't charge people for coming surely - especially when someone else is already paying for it.

Plastic ponchos isn't a great look ... but it does seem very British somehow.

Editing to add: Just realised I got the price wrong - it's actually £150 a ticket. As someone else said seems an awful lot to pay to have lunch in the pouring rain and not be allowed to have an umbrella.

Charities were asked but had to pay too. And just to keep things tidy, I believe a relative? Anne's son? his company, got the contract.

I think she's showing her age. Common sense should have told her it wasn't the best idea.

FFS. It's enough to make a staunch republican of me (not the American sort I hasten to add).

[ohsocynical]

The Andrew Marr Show ‏@MarrShow 5h5 hours ago

"If we vote to leave, will we carry out that instruction? Yes. Will I stay on as PM? Yes." - @David_Cameron #marr

[rebeccariots2]

The Andrew Marr Show ‏@MarrShow 5h5 hours ago

"If we vote to leave, will we carry out that instruction? Yes. Will I stay on as PM? Yes." - @David_Cameron #marr

He is deluded. One mouthful of rubbish after another.

[rebeccariots2]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

[rebeccariots2]

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 now4 seconds ago
The worst terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. The worst mass shooting in US history. And BBC News channel is still covering a birthday.

[mbc1955]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair demanded over $500,000 USD to speak at a conference on world hunger.

The organizers disinvited him.

Blair was asked to address the 2015 EAT Food Forum in Stockholm, Sweden, a conference that claims its vision “is a transformation of the global food system to sustainably feed a healthy population of nine billion people by mid-Century.”

http://bennorton.com/tony-blair-demande ... 0-minutes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems to be based on the Daily Express.

[rebeccariots2]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

I hope you aren't right, but fear you are. It'll be the biggest regret for Obama I reckon - that he couldn't get any kind of reform through.

[rebeccariots2]

Channel 4 News ‏@Channel4News 3h3 hours ago
Northern Ireland and Poland fans attacked by French hooligans in Nice, according to local police

Not got off to a great start. Let's hope it gets sorted.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

It's not that simple.

Of the top of my head, there's the constitution, the Supreme Court, the power of states, where awful Republican governors get elected on bad turnouts and gerrymander the House.

The majority of American people could vote for a strongly pre-control president, and huge barriers would remain to controlling guns like was done by John Howard in Australia.

[citizenJA]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

I doubt they'll ever implement sensible gun control. That second amendment thing is like a religion to some people.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's easier for an American President to invade Iraq than control guns.

[mbc1955]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

It's not that simple.

Of the top of my head, there's the constitution, the Supreme Court, the power of states, where awful Republican governors get elected on bad turnouts and gerrymander the House.

The majority of American people could vote for a strongly pre-control president, and huge barriers would remain to controlling guns like was done by John Howard in Australia.

I'm sorry, I disagree. These 'controls' exist because of a massive political will among the American population to protect their Second Amendment Right to bear arms. And they cling to that right because their guns mean more to them than the lives of other people.

Do you not listen to what gets said after each tragedy?

[citizenJA]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

I hope you aren't right, but fear you are. It'll be the biggest regret for Obama I reckon - that he couldn't get any kind of reform through.

Yes, I think he said it in the fifteenth shooting aftermath condolence speech
I'm not being snarky, he lost his temper and looked about a hundred years old

[Tubby Isaacs]

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

It's not that simple.

Of the top of my head, there's the constitution, the Supreme Court, the power of states, where awful Republican governors get elected on bad turnouts and gerrymander the House.

The majority of American people could vote for a strongly pre-control president, and huge barriers would remain to controlling guns like was done by John Howard in Australia.

I'm sorry, I disagree. These 'controls' exist because of a massive political will among the American population to protect their Second Amendment Right to bear arms. And they cling to that right because their guns mean more to them than the lives of other people.

Do you not listen to what gets said after each tragedy?

Which of my points is easily fixed by the American people having the political will? The example of Obama has been mentioned. He can't do anything. The American people voted for him with a 5 million majority.

[citizenJA]

It's not that simple.

Of the top of my head, there's the constitution, the Supreme Court, the power of states, where awful Republican governors get elected on bad turnouts and gerrymander the House.

The majority of American people could vote for a strongly pre-control president, and huge barriers would remain to controlling guns like was done by John Howard in Australia.

I'm sorry, I disagree. These 'controls' exist because of a massive political will among the American population to protect their Second Amendment Right to bear arms. And they cling to that right because their guns mean more to them than the lives of other people.

Do you not listen to what gets said after each tragedy?

You're right. Some US peoples and their Second Amendment allowing people having access to firearms. Tubby Isaacs, even some US
citizens who've never held a firearm, many who've never held a gun nor would want to, would fight legislation on meaningful firearm
reform. I wrote it's like a religion, that's not nice, maybe, I mean no disrespect toward religions but it's a belief many US
citizens have. The right to bear arms.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Guns are a base issue for Republicans to get white working class votes. It's very useful because these gun rights voters are very loyal, and vote against their own economic interests which allows them to pick up pro-business Republican voters who might, like Mike Bloomberg, hate guns.

This doesn't mean you can blame Americans in general.

[citizenJA]

It's not that simple.

Of the top of my head, there's the constitution, the Supreme Court, the power of states, where awful Republican governors get elected on bad turnouts and gerrymander the House.

The majority of American people could vote for a strongly pre-control president, and huge barriers would remain to controlling guns like was done by John Howard in Australia.

I'm sorry, I disagree. These 'controls' exist because of a massive political will among the American population to protect their Second Amendment Right to bear arms. And they cling to that right because their guns mean more to them than the lives of other people.

Do you not listen to what gets said after each tragedy?

Which of my points is easily fixed by the American people having the political will? The example of Obama has been mentioned. He can't do anything. The American people voted for him with a 5 million majority.

Yes, apparently many Obama supporters believe it's their constitutional right to own a firearm they'll never buy and won't need as
well as pay more for private health care insurance that doesn't provide as consistently healthy outcomes as less expensive health
care systems.

I'm not being satirical. What I've written is my take on the matter.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Unless this helps Trump, which it shouldn't , the Republican coalition is under huge strain. These unfortunate politics might not endure too much longer.

[ohsocynical]

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE: 50 dead, 53 wounded.
Now officially worst mass shooting in U.S. history. #orlando

This is dreadful.

When are the American people going to say enough is enough and introduce some sensible gun control.

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

I hope you aren't right, but fear you are. It'll be the biggest regret for Obama I reckon - that he couldn't get any kind of reform through.

The best thing Obama could have done for them was turn the clock back to the eighteen hundreds and made cowboy outfits mandatory.

Seriously; it's gone too far now. There are too many guns in circulation to do anything about them. I think recently I read there is a gun for every man woman and child in the US.

Two of Mr Ohso's relatives, a niece and a grandniece, have cancer. In order to help them pay for their treatment another of his nieces is running a crowd funding page, but it isn't doing that well, so now she is raffling a gun. What are the odds that makes a lot of money!

And there is another of Mr Ohso's cousins [who lives in Orlando Florida] who had her house burgled. As she lives on her own, she bought a gun. A few weeks later she went out but didn't take the gun. Got broke into again, and as well as a few bits of jewellery, they took the gun. The jewellery was recovered but not the gun. The last I heard she was pondering whether to get another one.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Yes, apparently many Obama supporters believe it's their constitutional right to own a firearm they'll never buy and won't need as
well as pay more for private health care insurance that doesn't provide as consistently healthy outcomes as less expensive health
care systems.

The Supreme Court says guns are a right., so they're correct to think that.

[mbc1955]

Guns are a base issue for Republicans to get white working class votes. It's very useful because these gun rights voters are very loyal, and vote against their own economic interests which allows them to pick up pro-business Republican voters who might, like Mike Bloomberg, hate guns.

This doesn't mean you can blame Americans in general.

But I do blame Americans in general, begging CitizenJA's pardon. Because the political will isn't there, and it will not be there in the kind of numbers necessary for longer than you or I or the youngest person here can hope to live. Because America is a land of mythology and a central part of that mythology is the man with a gun, bringing justice wherever he goes, the loner who stands up for himself, even in the face of the Law, when the Law is corrupt. Can't be the man with a gun defending himself without a gun. Ergo...

And when I say Americans in general, I mean exactly that: in general. Not every single one of them. But millions of them. And many millions more than Obama's majority.

Plus, don't forget another aspect of American myth, its Declaration of Rights, its Constitution and its Amendments. Tamper with just one of those, like the Second Amendment, and you open the door to those who want to interfere with other elements. The right to bear arms is equal to the right of, say, free speech. If you're free to change the first, then the second isn't safe.

[citizenJA]

They're not. Their gun means more to them than other people's lives.

It's as simple as that.

I hope you aren't right, but fear you are. It'll be the biggest regret for Obama I reckon - that he couldn't get any kind of reform through.

The best thing Obama could have done for them was turn the clock back to the eighteen hundreds and made cowboy outfits mandatory.

Seriously; it's gone too far now. There are too many guns in circulation to do anything about them. I think recently I read there is a gun for every man woman and child in the US.

Two of Mr Ohso's relatives, a niece and a grandniece, have cancer. In order to help them pay for their treatment another of his nieces is running a crowd funding page, but it isn't doing that well, so now she is raffling a gun. What are the odds that makes a lot of money!

And there is another of Mr Ohso's cousins [who lives in Orlando Florida] who had her house burgled. As she lives on her own, she bought a gun. A few weeks later she went out but didn't take the gun. Got broke into again, and as well as a few bits of jewellery, they took the gun. The jewellery was recovered but not the gun. The last I heard she was pondering whether to get another one.

Yep, that's about it.

[citizenJA]

Guns are a base issue for Republicans to get white working class votes. It's very useful because these gun rights voters are very loyal, and vote against their own economic interests which allows them to pick up pro-business Republican voters who might, like Mike Bloomberg, hate guns.

This doesn't mean you can blame Americans in general.

(my bold)

No. US kids learn in schools most US kids go to learning the US Constitution and the Amendments and guns are allowed to remain a part of US life.

[ohsocynical]

Another thing that always gets thrown up after a shooting is, that States like Illinois have stricter gun control laws than States such as Virginia, yet they have as high shooting statistics...

The Capital city Washington is a prime example. Gun control is very strict there, but the murder rate is the highest in the US. Its neighbour, Virginia, has practically no controls. What would you do if you lived in Washington and wanted a gun but might not meet the criteria?

No one ever seems to point out that if you live in a State with more restrictions for buying or owning a gun, you merely drive to a State that doesn't have them.

The drug barons of Mexico, where it's difficult to buy a gun, merely cross the border to the US and buy them.

Any law or code of conduct would need to be agreed by all 51 States, and that just won't happen.

[PorFavor]

The gun laws in the USA are as anachronistic as their voting system.

[citizenJA]

Guns are a base issue for Republicans to get white working class votes. It's very useful because these gun rights voters are very loyal, and vote against their own economic interests which allows them to pick up pro-business Republican voters who might, like Mike Bloomberg, hate guns.

This doesn't mean you can blame Americans in general.

But I do blame Americans in general, begging CitizenJA's pardon. Because the political will isn't there, and it will not be there in the kind of numbers necessary for longer than you or I or the youngest person here can hope to live. Because America is a land of mythology and a central part of that mythology is the man with a gun, bringing justice wherever he goes, the loner who stands up for himself, even in the face of the Law, when the Law is corrupt. Can't be the man with a gun defending himself without a gun. Ergo...

And when I say Americans in general, I mean exactly that: in general. Not every single one of them. But millions of them. And many millions more than Obama's majority.

Plus, don't forget another aspect of American myth, its Declaration of Rights, its Constitution and its Amendments. Tamper with just one of those, like the Second Amendment, and you open the door to those who want to interfere with other elements. The right to bear arms is equal to the right of, say, free speech. If you're free to change the first, then the second isn't safe.

Good points, all of that, yes. It's hard getting a groundswell of public feeling pulling the entire USA in another direction over some big thing like gun control. People understand intellectually guns need to be taken out of private hands in the US. They'll agree to it theoretically. One little seed got planted along with the USA establishing itself as an independent nation - the right to have fire arms to defend themselves against a Monarchy or Government. It's a big problem now, the little seed grew into a big problem. I'm grateful the UK doesn't have have that big problem.

[Tubby Isaacs]

You've just given yourself a very good explanation of why it's complicated. People might hate the second amendment, but worry about it being repealed or qualified for very good reasons. These would, I guess, include a fair few jurists.

That's a whole layer on top of the political problems of getting guns controlled. I'd guess that something like a majority would support controls, as it happens.

[citizenJA]

The gun laws in the USA are as anachronistic as their voting system.

Yep. Good US scholars holding fine doctorates in US political science don't know everything about the US voting system. If it's that complicated, it's dumb.

[ohsocynical]

It's not only humans that suffer because of American's love of guns and weapons of destruction - I'm thinking cross bows, but
it's the wildlife as well.

It gets hysterical when hunting season starts, but they don't particularly abide by the law.

A lady I knew who lived in Virginia, had a tame deer that she'd reared from a few days old fawn. Someone had shot its mother out of season ... She told me she was very nervous because people drive around and shoot at deer even if they're in someone's garden and obviously a pet.

[citizenJA]

You've just given yourself a very good explanation of why it's complicated. People might hate the second amendment, but worry about it being repealed or qualified for very good reasons. These would, I guess, include a fair few jurists.

That's a whole layer on top of the political problems of getting guns controlled. I'd guess that something like a majority would support controls, as it happens.

Yes, but take that word 'control' out of the wording on the ballot.

[citizenJA]

Yes, apparently many Obama supporters believe it's their constitutional right to own a firearm they'll never buy and won't need as
well as pay more for private health care insurance that doesn't provide as consistently healthy outcomes as less expensive health
care systems.

The Supreme Court says guns are a right., so they're correct to think that.

Yes, but my point was millions of US citizens having never held a firearm, won't own one, have no intention of ever using one, understand intellectually people having access to guns causes horrific tragedies but continue to believe they'd better not vote for gun control.

[ohsocynical]

Americans say being free means the right to own a firearm.
They say owning a firearm means they can protect themselves in their homes, and increasingly now, carry a gun on the street for the same reason.

If you're frightened of going out on the street, or even being in your own home, that's fear. Getting a gun is bravado. But I don't see where freedom comes into it.

If you live in fear, how can you be free?

[ohsocynical]

Yes, apparently many Obama supporters believe it's their constitutional right to own a firearm they'll never buy and won't need as
well as pay more for private health care insurance that doesn't provide as consistently healthy outcomes as less expensive health
care systems.

The Supreme Court says guns are a right., so they're correct to think that.

Yes, but my point was millions of US citizens having never held a firearm, won't own one, have no intention of ever using one, understand intellectually people having access to guns causes horrific tragedies but continue to believe they'd better not vote for gun control.

Ironic though, that when a mass shooting occurs, gun sales go through the roof...

[citizenJA]

Take care of difficult problems
while they are still easy;
Do easy things before they become too hard.

Difficult problems are best solved while they are easy.
Great projects are best started while they are small.

http://tao-in-you.com/lao-tzu-tao-te-ching-chapter-63/

Yes, verifiably true

When you're founding your nation
Don't

[citizenJA]

The Supreme Court says guns are a right., so they're correct to think that.

Yes, but my point was millions of US citizens having never held a firearm, won't own one, have no intention of ever using one, understand intellectually people having access to guns causes horrific tragedies but continue to believe they'd better not vote for gun control.

Ironic though, that when a mass shooting occurs, gun sales go through the roof...

Part of being human is being irrational sometimes.

[yahyah]

Night all.

I'm ending the day happy.
The doctor had to start me on diuretics last week, my abdomen and back torso had swollen so much, as well as what the GP thought was internal oedema. Likely due to the blood pressure medication unfortunately. Have been so fed up, with the swelling and the heat I felt awful.
My husband says I've gone down back to my normal size, even my face is slimmer again, and the horrible internal pain and discomfort has nearly gone.

My brain is still a bit off the station, hopefully that will come back soon.

Hope others with health issues are feeling some respite.

[citizenJA]

Night all.

I'm ending the day happy.
The doctor had to start me on diuretics last week, my abdomen and back torso had swollen so much, as well as what the GP thought was internal oedema. Likely due to the blood pressure medication unfortunately. Have been so fed up, with the swelling and the heat I felt awful.
My husband says I've gone down back to my normal size, even my face is slimmer again, and the horrible internal pain and discomfort has nearly gone.

My brain is still a bit off the station, hopefully that will come back soon.

Hope others with health issues are feeling some respite.

Goodnight, yahyah!

[PorFavor]

Night all.

I'm ending the day happy.
The doctor had to start me on diuretics last week, my abdomen and back torso had swollen so much, as well as what the GP thought was internal oedema. Likely due to the blood pressure medication unfortunately. Have been so fed up, with the swelling and the heat I felt awful.
My husband says I've gone down back to my normal size, even my face is slimmer again, and the horrible internal pain and discomfort has nearly gone.

My brain is still a bit off the station, hopefully that will come back soon.

Hope others with health issues are feeling some respite.

Good night, good night!
Parting is such sweet sorrow,
What time shall you be back tomorrow?

[citizenJA]

Radical plans floated by Jeremy Corbyn to extend the right to buy to tenants of private landlords have won the backing
of a major centre-right thinktank as a way to address the affordability crisis facing young, aspiring homeowners.

- Right to buy plans floated by Corbyn backed by centre-right thinktank

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Probably 'centre-right' thinktank peoples' kid(s) are still living at home or threatening to move back in.
oh, hang on...housing is unaffordable...