(cJA edit bold)TobyLatimer wrote:Been looking at some old pics of Shirebrook colliery earlier, the site is now the vast Sports Direct warehouse.
I respect Mr Skinner like I respect Mr & Ms Riots - a lot.TobyLatimer wrote:Grayling lied about Prof. Harrington's view on the WCA which led to a rollout for everyone as opposed to new applicants only. Wouldn't trust them as far as I could spit. However , Skinner is on the 'out' camp too . No wonder I'm still confused.
"...voting Leave is like having for the very first time an option of saying ‘none of the above’ and a lot of people are going to take it.
...Cameron, in his arrogance, assumed he could cajole and frighten people to do his bidding and so get them to solve his own little local
difficulty and instead he created the chance for people to say ‘sod off, the lot of you’. And there is a real chance they will do just that."
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"What is not being asked is how this decision is embraced if it happens. And how we adapt to it. And what has to happen as
a consequence. It’s the arrogance that is stopping that happening: the idea of rejection is beyond an elite’s comprehension."
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It is April, 2016 and I am 61 years old. I have now lived without my pension for over one whole year. I will NOT be able to live without it for another year, let alone the *further* FIVE YEARS I've been 'sentenced' to by Millionaire Ministers who do not care if we live, or die.
http://lizziecornish.over-blog.com/2016 ... ioner.html
Which is why, despite all the criticism it has received from the usual suspects, Corbyn's positioning on this has been pretty much spot on.RobertSnozers wrote:After having considered both options with some care, and not being a fan of the aspects of the EU that enforce neoliberalism in return for bailouts, insist on competition even when counter productive etc, I have come down firmly on the side of a vote to remain. In fact, I now see the increasing possibility of a Brexit as staring into an abyss. Not least as it would probably do significant harm to my wife's career and livelihood (she's an academic social scientist in the field of ageing - so much research funding comes from the EU that it's hard to comprehend how a number of more specialist university departments could survive without it) and to mine (freelance writers don't do well during periods of economic uncertainty). Leaving self interest out of it, I can't see that many would benefit at all. The NHS would no longer be subject to the European Working Time Directive, so we could easily slide back to the dark age of too few doctors working too-long shifts. Employers could exploit their workforces even more. The question is not so much about Brexit, as the Tory/Ukip Brexit on offer. Even in a possible future where a Labour government takes control, I can see it taking an entire term to get back to where we are now. And as for Britain becoming a lean, agile, Tigerish economy that can leap on opportunities and change our approach to meet changing circumstances, I'm sorry, but I'm going to 'talk Britain down' here. That might have been the case in the Industrial Revolution, but there's precious little lean and Tigerish about Britain of the 21st century and I think we do the EU a disservice if we blame it for our national stodginess. Britain has many strengths - being agile is not one of them.
I'm furious with Cameron for gambling with national wellbeing for political advantage as he did with Scotland, and having unleashed forces he can't control. Not least because it will once again be down to Labour to pull his chestnuts out of the fire, and Labour which suffers while Cameron gets off Scot free. The irony is that the Phyrric victory in Scotland will be irrelevant in the event of a Brexit, as Scotland will inevitably leave as a result. What's also becoming clear is that the hollowed out, neoliberal version of EU membership that Cameron has offered has put off a lot of Labour voters who would previously have supported membership. Once again Cameron sleepwalks to disaster, and once again Labour (and the country) that will bear the brunt.
Umunna has just been on a Radio 4 phone in answering questions about the EU .... not a good performance.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Which is why, despite all the criticism it has received from the usual suspects, Corbyn's positioning on this has been pretty much spot on.RobertSnozers wrote:After having considered both options with some care, and not being a fan of the aspects of the EU that enforce neoliberalism in return for bailouts, insist on competition even when counter productive etc, I have come down firmly on the side of a vote to remain. In fact, I now see the increasing possibility of a Brexit as staring into an abyss. Not least as it would probably do significant harm to my wife's career and livelihood (she's an academic social scientist in the field of ageing - so much research funding comes from the EU that it's hard to comprehend how a number of more specialist university departments could survive without it) and to mine (freelance writers don't do well during periods of economic uncertainty). Leaving self interest out of it, I can't see that many would benefit at all. The NHS would no longer be subject to the European Working Time Directive, so we could easily slide back to the dark age of too few doctors working too-long shifts. Employers could exploit their workforces even more. The question is not so much about Brexit, as the Tory/Ukip Brexit on offer. Even in a possible future where a Labour government takes control, I can see it taking an entire term to get back to where we are now. And as for Britain becoming a lean, agile, Tigerish economy that can leap on opportunities and change our approach to meet changing circumstances, I'm sorry, but I'm going to 'talk Britain down' here. That might have been the case in the Industrial Revolution, but there's precious little lean and Tigerish about Britain of the 21st century and I think we do the EU a disservice if we blame it for our national stodginess. Britain has many strengths - being agile is not one of them.
I'm furious with Cameron for gambling with national wellbeing for political advantage as he did with Scotland, and having unleashed forces he can't control. Not least because it will once again be down to Labour to pull his chestnuts out of the fire, and Labour which suffers while Cameron gets off Scot free. The irony is that the Phyrric victory in Scotland will be irrelevant in the event of a Brexit, as Scotland will inevitably leave as a result. What's also becoming clear is that the hollowed out, neoliberal version of EU membership that Cameron has offered has put off a lot of Labour voters who would previously have supported membership. Once again Cameron sleepwalks to disaster, and once again Labour (and the country) that will bear the brunt.
Just imagine where Labour might be in the aftermath of June 23 with an uncritical Euro-evangelist like Chuka Umunna (that ridiculous Graun puff piece at the weekend is *still* riling me) in charge. Now *that* is a scary prospect if ever there was one........
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That's a big fear of mine too - that Labour will be seen to be on the wrong side of the vote by a lot of people / voters and pay the price.AnatolyKasparov wrote:In short, I fervently want a "remain" vote next week. For all sorts of reasons.
But were the price of that to be sacrificing the Labour party's future in England/Wales the way the Scottish referendum did there, that would be too high to pay.
There, I've said it.
I held back from the Liam Fox appraisal - but I have to agree with you.RobertSnozers wrote:I didn't see the Umunna puff piece, probably a good thing for my blood pressure. How anyone could still be taking him seriously as leadership material I don't know. Quite apart from being as far away from my own world view as a member of the same party can be, he just isn't that impressive. I heard him on the same phone-in RR mentioned and I'm sorry to say that for the most part Liam Fox was much more convincing.rebeccariots2 wrote:Umunna has just been on a Radio 4 phone in answering questions about the EU .... not a good performance.AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Which is why, despite all the criticism it has received from the usual suspects, Corbyn's positioning on this has been pretty much spot on.
Just imagine where Labour might be in the aftermath of June 23 with an uncritical Euro-evangelist like Chuka Umunna (that ridiculous Graun puff piece at the weekend is *still* riling me) in charge. Now *that* is a scary prospect if ever there was one........
Stoke-on-Trent has a history of providing some support for the racist far-right. It was about the only part of the country where Oswald Mosely could still draw an enthusiastic crowd in the 1950s. More recently, of course, the BNP did well in the 1990s and 2000s.HindleA wrote:
The Labour supporters backing Brexit in Stoke-on-Trent heartland – video
Oh yes, all this. I am reminded of the recent Peruvian election for some reasonRobertSnozers wrote:That's pretty much been my position all along. A lot of these people calling for Labour to throw itself under the bus to save Cameron would never have supported Labour in a million years anyway, and many more would be quite happy to see Corbyn damaged.AnatolyKasparov wrote:In short, I fervently want a "remain" vote next week. For all sorts of reasons.
But were the price of that to be sacrificing the Labour party's future in England/Wales the way the Scottish referendum did there, that would be too high to pay.
There, I've said it.
But I'm approaching the view that a Leave vote would be catastrophic for a lot of people, even though if it came to it I'd rather save the party for the future than subject the country to unchallenged Tory hegemony even in the EU.
What a horrible situation we find ourselves in.
I agree.RobertSnozers wrote:That's pretty much been my position all along. A lot of these people calling for Labour to throw itself under the bus to save Cameron would never have supported Labour in a million years anyway, and many more would be quite happy to see Corbyn damaged.AnatolyKasparov wrote:In short, I fervently want a "remain" vote next week. For all sorts of reasons.
But were the price of that to be sacrificing the Labour party's future in England/Wales the way the Scottish referendum did there, that would be too high to pay.
There, I've said it.
But I'm approaching the view that a Leave vote would be catastrophic for a lot of people, even though if it came to it I'd rather save the party for the future than subject the country to unchallenged Tory hegemony even in the EU.
What a horrible situation we find ourselves in.
Off the top of my head , famous Mansfield people are like hens teeth. We have Becky Addlington, and Richard Bacon. I used to deliver the post to the Bacon family abode when he was a kid of ten years old, his dad was highly respected solicitor here and got loads of legal bumf in the mail, often stuff needing a signature. I remember many a time young Richard answering the door, making a feeble attempt to hold back the family pet dog from sapping my ankles offHindleA wrote:FWIW Ray Wilson,England's left-back in the 1966 World Cup;undertaker,now living near Huddersfield was born in Shirebrook.
Fascinating figures. Wasn't it supposed to accelerate once Wishaw brought in his new tough system? Seems to have slowed down at that moment. Reflection they went far too fast before, and perhaps that they were now treading on some Tory toes.RogerOThornhill wrote:Warwick Mansell had a bit in his diary about RSCs going round their region urging schools to become academies.
So...I thought I'd take a look at how many schools actually get converted and therefore the size of the task to get full academisation by 2022.
There you go - they'll be lucky if they get another 4-5,000 done by then let alone 16k!
Hope you're right.AnatolyKasparov wrote:A little follow on from my above post:
Ren-tool suggested on Twitter yesterday that if it is a "remain" vote next week, Cameron would prove himself the supreme strategic genius of our time (or something like that) He was almost immediately drowned in a tidal wave of derision, and even his usual flunkies mostly maintained an embarrassed silence.
I wouldn't underestimate the anger out there at our PM for putting us through this nonsense in the first place.......
I was beginning to think I'd imagined it...AnatolyKasparov wrote:And whilst we're on the Scottish referendum, let's not forget how Cameron almost begged for Labour's support - then screwed them over THE MORNING AFTER THE REFERENDUM, shall we? I only mention it because it seems to have been almost written out of history (certainly those people whining that "Corbyn should be doing more" - including, almost unbelievably, sharing platforms with the Tories again - seem to have forgotten it)
I hope you're right Anatoly. Certainly McDonnell's clear line on "Tory Brexit" is clever because it reminds people that Boris et al are Tories not UKIP, that the Tories are completely divided and that Cameron is isolated from many of his natural supporters.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yeah, I am slightly.
My comfort is that Cameron and Osborne look set to get their comeuppance whatever the result - and if it is indeed Brexit, Johnson and Gove may get theirs before too long too?
Though certainly nothing about how divided the Tories are, which was my original thought.....PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Just caught up with LK's timeline. It's not too bad actually.
I've had quite a few e-mails asking for donations. Which leads me to this ramble -yahyah wrote:We got a phone call from someone fundraising on behalf of Labour's remain campaign this morning.
I'm donating when I've had my hot drink, am cautious about giving out card details to unsolicited callers even if they are from Labour.
When I discussed with my husband how much we'd give he suggested halving the amount.
His rationale is that it looks as if we've lost the vote so it is a waste of money to pour more cash into the campaign. I take the opposite view.
After reading Anatoly's post above I realise we are on a hiding to nothing. Not only will we be cash light from donating we may also be blamed for Labour's decline if the country goes Kipper/Brexit mad if Leave loses.
Difficult, and very trying times.
Some more...this is the analysis of application date for those on the Converter pipeline list.Tubby Isaacs wrote: Fascinating figures. Wasn't it supposed to accelerate once Wishaw brought in his new tough system? Seems to have slowed down at that moment. Reflection they went far too fast before, and perhaps that they were now treading on some Tory toes.
PorFavor wrote:I've had quite a few e-mails asking for donations. Which leads me to this ramble -yahyah wrote:We got a phone call from someone fundraising on behalf of Labour's remain campaign this morning.
I'm donating when I've had my hot drink, am cautious about giving out card details to unsolicited callers even if they are from Labour.
When I discussed with my husband how much we'd give he suggested halving the amount.
His rationale is that it looks as if we've lost the vote so it is a waste of money to pour more cash into the campaign. I take the opposite view.
After reading Anatoly's post above I realise we are on a hiding to nothing. Not only will we be cash light from donating we may also be blamed for Labour's decline if the country goes Kipper/Brexit mad if Leave loses.
Difficult, and very trying times.
During the General Election campaign, they only needed to ask and I'd provide. For someone on my income, overall I donated quite a bit (by my standards). I so much wanted Ed Miliband to win. Now (setting aside the fact that this is for a referendum and not a general election) it all flows past me and the e-mails get binned. Which brings me to my point. Jeremy Corbyn says a lot I agree with and, although I didn't vote for him as leader, I'm content to support him in his role. But there's something slightly distant about Jeremy Corbyn which stops me getting human about him. Does that make sense?
Maybe if I saw him in the flesh? I don't know. But if that's how it works with him, then he's probably right to do this grand tour thing rather than do much studio interview stuff.
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A tad tetchy https://amp.twimg.com/v/bd0a95dd-600e-4 ... b6ef85e2c3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Digby vs Rachel (Reeves) sounds on Daily Politics sounds like it was particularly unpleasant. Anyone see it?
Sorry, I'm useless at deconstructing metaphors.rebeccariots2 wrote:Two young woodpeckers being taught how to use the peanut feeder by parent woodpecker.
So sorry to hear that. It's the last thing she needed to happen. It'll have a negative effect on her dementia. Living in Suburbia can be stressful, but we are spoiled for some facilities.rebeccariots2 wrote:I may as well make this my day for posting it *real*. Very upsetting experience for our neighbour yesterday. She's in her 80s and has the early stages of dementia - and lives on her own. Mr Riots met her son who lives in Gloucestershire on the track and heard the following.
She had a fall in the early evening yesterday and - thinking she'd broken her arm - had the presence of mind to press her panic button (which she wanted to cancel but her son chose not to). However the team that was sent out couldn't find where she lived and spent over 2 hours driving around before they turned up. No one rang her or either of her sons (who are on the panic response team's info to contact). The team decided she needed to go to A & E - so then they rang her son who lives close by and asked him to take her. He took her to Withybush hospital (I hr) where the wait time was initially 5 hours and no triage available - then became 9 hours. He took her back home as it would have been a worse wait there than at home. In the morning he took her into Cardigan hospital - 10 minutes - where they first refused to see her without a GP referral and then - when he explained the situation so far - apologised and said they couldn't do anything anyway as their single X ray machine was broken. He then drove her to Glangwili hospital in Carmarthen (1hr) where they saw, X rayed and treated her. 16 hours later. It is broken - and she is very distressed.
Both of us find that tale very unsettling. We'll do the immediate practical thing that could make a bit of difference as soon as we can - put clear signage up wherever we can to help strangers find their way. But the rest of it .....
He's not wrong. Labour have fewer supporters and a much higher percentage already supporting remain. How can there possibly be more mileage in preaching to them rather than the more evenly split and far more numerous Tory voters? Especially when (older) Tory voters are more likely to turn out. Cameron has courted votes by being negative about the EU and is now reaping what he has sown. If he can't turn around the negativity within his own party that he previously cultivated, Tory voters will take us out of the EU and it will mostly because he has spent the last 6 years telling them how wrong the EU is. Stupid, stupid Cameron.rebeccariots2 wrote:Sunny Hundal @sunny_hundal 14m14 minutes ago
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No metaphor. Totally real today. It's a literal observation of the view from my window.StephenDolan wrote:Sorry, I'm useless at deconstructing metaphors.rebeccariots2 wrote:Two young woodpeckers being taught how to use the peanut feeder by parent woodpecker.
