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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Robert Oxley ‏@roxley 8s8 seconds ago
Osborne says this is how any Chancellor would respond. Darling faced with an actual crisis in 2008 chose precisely opposite fiscal policies
Darling's PM was Gordon Brown, who received plaudits from the EU, WTO, IMF, in fact just about everywhere but the UK media and Tories, for how he handled the consequences of the late night phone call from a major bank who wanted to let him know capitalism had run out of capital, no bank would lend working capital to any other bank because no-one knew what the banks were actually worth any more, the wheels were off and the cash machines would be empty by Monday.

Osborne, on the other hand, has a shifty PR man called Cameron. With Johnson, Smith, Gove, Fox, Patterson et al waiting in the wings to knife the pair of them for not being sufficiently right wing.

Meanwhile our media has spent nearly a year now focussed on the task of undermining Corbyn in favour of someone, anyone, who is more like Johnson, Gove etc. That, and telling lies about the the EU on behalf of it's billionaire owners just as it has for the last 4 decades.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:And my 'Oh God' is bloody Osborne saying he'll carry out an emergency budget and impose extra austerity .... he's playing a really really dangerous game. The Brexit 57 Tory MPs have issued a statement saying they will vote that down in the HoC if he tries it on. And set out their timescale for a withdrawal programme from the EU over 4 years. They say they'll set up a cross party working group to negotiate and plan.

Just when I was coming around to deciding not to vote at all ... the way Osborne is behaving and talking makes me think fuck you - if you want to threaten in this way I might just bloody vote Leave. His days as Chancellor must be numbered - surely - please someone. He's threatening the 'economic chaos' by his own words and actions as much as anything else.
My advice is to ignore the Tory factioneering. This referendum is far more important that that.
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Michael Gove's father denies his company was destroyed by EU policies
Ernest Gove says he sold fish processing firm in Aberdeen voluntarily, contradicting son’s claims

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_fb
More lies....
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:And my 'Oh God' is bloody Osborne saying he'll carry out an emergency budget and impose extra austerity .... he's playing a really really dangerous game. The Brexit 57 Tory MPs have issued a statement saying they will vote that down in the HoC if he tries it on. And set out their timescale for a withdrawal programme from the EU over 4 years. They say they'll set up a cross party working group to negotiate and plan.

Just when I was coming around to deciding not to vote at all ... the way Osborne is behaving and talking makes me think fuck you - if you want to threaten in this way I might just bloody vote Leave. His days as Chancellor must be numbered - surely - please someone. He's threatening the 'economic chaos' by his own words and actions as much as anything else.
He really is playing with fire RR2.

As I just tweeted, if Brexit is such a threat to national security and the economy, what on Earth were Cameron and Osborne doing calling the sodding referendum in the first place?

It's a full on omnishambolic mess.
Cameron was desperate for enough votes in May 2015 to give him a chance of staying in No. 10, and hoped to persuade at least some with kipper inclinations to vote Tory.

I think he expected to either lose a close election and everything become Ed's problem or, at best, be back in a coalition with partners he could then blame for vetoing the promised referendum.

He misjudged things very badly indeed. As usual.
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For 50 years voters have been denied an honest debate on immigration. Now we’re paying the price
Gary Younge
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... mmigration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good to see Corbyn ask for the migration impact fund that Gordon Brown set up to be reinstated at PMQs. That would be the fund that Cameron and co immediately abolished when they came into power.

The only enjoyable thing about this referendum is watching Cameron and Osborne self-consume. Oh and the Hoey Farage jazz hands Partridge tribute act of course.
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ohsocynical wrote:Michael CrickVerified account
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Farage friend says he's been approached by Boris camp about job in Johnson govt & place in Lords to avoid fighting possible Thanet by-elect
I'm shocked and surprised. Not.

Though how the People's Army (sic) would react to the Glorious Fuhrage joining the LibLabCon Cultural Marxist Traitor's Party would be entertaining to see.
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Cameron Brown ‏@cameronbrownuk 3h3 hours ago
RMT trade union calls on its 80,000 members to @Vote_Leave, saying “It’s a myth that the EU is in favour of workers”
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TR'sGhost wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Michael CrickVerified account
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Farage friend says he's been approached by Boris camp about job in Johnson govt & place in Lords to avoid fighting possible Thanet by-elect
I'm shocked and surprised. Not.

Though how the People's Army (sic) would react to the Glorious Fuhrage joining the LibLabCon Cultural Marxist Traitor's Party would be entertaining to see.
I don't think they'd care tbh. He can do no wrong ...
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TobyLatimer wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Afternoon.

Sparrow continues to take the absolute piss re Cameron:

"A peculiar PMQs, in some respects more interesting than usual, and perhaps most remarkable because Cameron seemed uncharacteristically hesitant and unfocused. Is the pressure getting to him? It would be very odd if it isn’t, although Cameron was only unfocused relative to his usual suave professionalism."
Sparrow's over-the-top adulation is the work of the family brat attempting to goad his siblings. Sure, I may be inflating the importance
of this forum but that's my theory why Sparrow makes odd remarks sometimes. I like it better than believing Sparrow really thinks
Dave is a suave professional.

Where did the name of this forum come from? Is it a reference to Sparrow's name?
It came about because The Graun changed a simple, easy to read comments system to a different format known as 'nesting' http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... nt-threads" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A format many warned the G in advance would be a dream come true for astroturfers, trolls, single issue obsessives and assorted wingnuts.

And which didn't even work properly for ages on what the person in charge of the transition claimed were the list of "targeted web browsers."

So they can't say they weren't warned.
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TR'sGhost wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:And my 'Oh God' is bloody Osborne saying he'll carry out an emergency budget and impose extra austerity .... he's playing a really really dangerous game. The Brexit 57 Tory MPs have issued a statement saying they will vote that down in the HoC if he tries it on. And set out their timescale for a withdrawal programme from the EU over 4 years. They say they'll set up a cross party working group to negotiate and plan.

Just when I was coming around to deciding not to vote at all ... the way Osborne is behaving and talking makes me think fuck you - if you want to threaten in this way I might just bloody vote Leave. His days as Chancellor must be numbered - surely - please someone. He's threatening the 'economic chaos' by his own words and actions as much as anything else.
He really is playing with fire RR2.

As I just tweeted, if Brexit is such a threat to national security and the economy, what on Earth were Cameron and Osborne doing calling the sodding referendum in the first place?

It's a full on omnishambolic mess.
Cameron was desperate for enough votes in May 2015 to give him a chance of staying in No. 10, and hoped to persuade at least some with kipper inclinations to vote Tory.

I think he expected to either lose a close election and everything become Ed's problem or, at best, be back in a coalition with partners he could then blame for vetoing the promised referendum.

He misjudged things very badly indeed. As usual.
Its not just the referendum either, they made a hodgepodge of wildly contradictory promises in order to hold on to power.

The cynical calculation being that the most impractical could, of course, be conveniently dropped in the widely predicted post-election bargaining.

Thanks to Crosby, though, things maybe worked out a bit "too" well.......
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Tim Montgomerie ن ‏@montie 2m2 minutes ago
Sad to learn of death of Bob Holman today. Old school Christian socialist and a man who took command to love yr neighbour to heart. RIP Bob.
That is sad. A much needed voice lost.
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Dan Rebellato ‏@DanRebellato 27m27 minutes ago

It’s quite interesting that Michael Gove’s and Boris Johnson’s dads both think their sons are talking bollocks about Brexit.
More proof it's all about a power play. And stupid Cameron played right into their hands.

I still contend if there's a bid for the Tory leadership, Gove will be making a bid.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
TR'sGhost wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: He really is playing with fire RR2.

As I just tweeted, if Brexit is such a threat to national security and the economy, what on Earth were Cameron and Osborne doing calling the sodding referendum in the first place?

It's a full on omnishambolic mess.
Cameron was desperate for enough votes in May 2015 to give him a chance of staying in No. 10, and hoped to persuade at least some with kipper inclinations to vote Tory.

I think he expected to either lose a close election and everything become Ed's problem or, at best, be back in a coalition with partners he could then blame for vetoing the promised referendum.

He misjudged things very badly indeed. As usual.
Its not just the referendum either, they made a hodgepodge of wildly contradictory promises in order to hold on to power.

The cynical calculation being that the most impractical could, of course, be conveniently dropped in the widely predicted post-election bargaining.

Thanks to Crosby, though, things maybe worked out a bit "too" well.......
Also thanks to a bit of creative book keeping.
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Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 4h4 hours ago
REMAIN has 19% lead in Scotland according to new Ipsos-MORI Scotland poll
REMAIN 52%
LEAVE 33%
Sharply down on the 37% margin in April
Has anyone put forward any ideas why there might have been such a shift?
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Well, I seem to be receiving an assortment of outraged Facebook messages from people I don't know threatening all kinds of things and calling me all kinds of names. Some of them can even spell paedophile.

My crime? Posting in response to a comment by a friend of a friend that "even the government says the EU accounts have never been signed off, it's all a fraud" with a suggestion that whichever way someone decides to vote, the more they know of things the better.

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditor ... eu-budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They're like a gang of pissed up football hooligans doing their patriotic duty by smashing the pub up while chanting "stand your ground" "Engerland" and "'Oo wants some then!"

Time to start blocking people I think.
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ohsocynical wrote:Michael CrickVerified account
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Farage friend says he's been approached by Boris camp about job in Johnson govt & place in Lords to avoid fighting possible Thanet by-elect
Is this the Fisherman friend again, or has he got more than one?
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ohsocynical wrote:Michael CrickVerified account
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Farage friend says he's been approached by Boris camp about job in Johnson govt & place in Lords to avoid fighting possible Thanet by-elect

I said this morning that it is best to stay in adult mode and not take a f*** you response, but crikey is that not one hell of a reason to vote Remain ?
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Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago
RTE say Irish PM Enda Kenny to campaign among Irish voters in Manchester on Friday & plans for Cameron to join him dropped, as too unpopular
He must long for those hug a husky days.
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Editorial
The Guardian view on the leave campaign: anatomy of another elite

The loudest voices being raised for Brexit are rallying against the establishment. But look at their camp more closely, and you’ll spot vested interest and privilege demanding the right to run Britain to suit itself

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... SApp_Other
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Sad, so sad. It's a sad sad situation.

Gove, visibly moved he told how he had watched his father’s fish merchant business “going to the wall” as a result of the EU’s common fisheries policy


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... -business/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Have been to the hairdressers this afternoon, and had a quick flick through an old copy of society magazine Tatler while waiting.

There had a headline on the front cover 'How posh is Jeremy Corbyn ?' and a long piece in the magazine about him. On a quick glance through it seemed not an unfriendly article, although the pic they'd used was him in that awful tracksuit.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 4h4 hours ago
REMAIN has 19% lead in Scotland according to new Ipsos-MORI Scotland poll
REMAIN 52%
LEAVE 33%
Sharply down on the 37% margin in April
Has anyone put forward any ideas why there might have been such a shift?
Anatoly tell me Leave means the Scots would be out of the EU, and they don't want that, but it's looking to me as they'd even give that up for another IndyRef.
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Michael Gove invented two new Scots ports

MICHAEL Gove said fishing was "very close to my heart" - but then blundered over the names of two major ports as he attacked the EU's common fisheries policy.

The Tory Justice Secretary said his father's business as a fish merchant in Aberdeen had collapsed, partly as a result of the rules set in Brussels.

But he was mocked on Twitter after stumbling over the names of two Scottish ports - referring to Peterborough and Fraserhead rather than Fraserburgh and Peterhead.

Answering questions following a speech on Brexit he said the common fisheries policy was a "symbol of what we lost when we entered the EU".


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... kdAfzBl.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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@Anatoly.

The Telegraph had a piece about Clement Freud this morning.
All very speculative, and maybe adding two and two and making five but it said he owned a holiday villa in the Portugese resort where Madeline McCann was taken. The villa was very close to the complex the McCanns stayed at. He also made contact with them after she was taken.
That obviously doesn't mean he was complicit, but it just seems very icky. A man who likes abusing girls getting close to the distraught parents of a little girl likely to have been abused in some way ?

As you say, the Liberals of the time were a pervy lot, but hopefully not into something as horrible as child abduction or murder.
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yahyah wrote:Have been to the hairdressers this afternoon, and had a quick flick through an old copy of society magazine Tatler while waiting.

There had a headline on the front cover 'How posh is Jeremy Corbyn ?' and a long piece in the magazine about him. On a quick glance through it seemed not an unfriendly article, although the pic they'd used was him in that awful tracksuit.
He does look pretty bad in that awful tracksuit. It's the kind of thing that if Mr Riots took to wearing similar ... I'd find a way for it to have a terrible accident as soon as I could.
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Bloody foreigners innit , coming over 'ere taking over our Fraserhead.
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Oh...how embarrassing is that for Gove ? Still, why let the truth get in the way of a good tale :lol:
Wonder what Sarah Vine has to say.
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yahyah wrote:Oh...how embarrassing is that for Gove ? Still, why let the truth get in the way of a good tale :lol:
Wonder what Sarah Vine has to say.
I bet the sensitive Sarah is mentally re-designing the kitchen, re-arranging the rooms, and making a list of what they can put on expenses if they end up in no 10.
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The Financial Times backs remain.
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yahyah wrote:The Financial Times backs remain.
Pinko rag.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Cameron Brown ‏@cameronbrownuk 3h3 hours ago
RMT trade union calls on its 80,000 members to @Vote_Leave, saying “It’s a myth that the EU is in favour of workers”
They have a bee in their bonnet about rail directives.

Doesn't seem to be forcing privatisation in Northern Ireland or anywhere else.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago
RTE say Irish PM Enda Kenny to campaign among Irish voters in Manchester on Friday & plans for Cameron to join him dropped, as too unpopular
He must long for those hug a husky days.
How unpopular must Cameron be?
Not too long ago, people from Ireland blew up Manchester city centre.
Now the Taoiseach can campaign there, but our PM is too unpopular to join him.
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Aslef are also pro-leave.l, I see.
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I was schooled at Peterhead Academy,and first job was as a stevedore in the docks,ye ken.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Cameron Brown ‏@cameronbrownuk 3h3 hours ago
RMT trade union calls on its 80,000 members to @Vote_Leave, saying “It’s a myth that the EU is in favour of workers”
They have a bee in their bonnet about rail directives.

Doesn't seem to be forcing privatisation in Northern Ireland or anywhere else.
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ohsocynical wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
They have a bee in their bonnet about rail directives.

Doesn't seem to be forcing privatisation in Northern Ireland or anywhere else.
I am having problems posting. It posted the above but left out what I'd added. It keeps saying there's an error.
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I'll try again.

This is in answer to Tubby's post.

This from a couple of guys on my local Labour Party page. One is a Union Rep.

Ironic as ASLEF support leave.

EC voted leave 5-2. This is NOT indicative of the membership opinion, trust me

I campaign with my members on an hourly basis to remain. With a large success rate. Our EC endorsed leaving under a narrow, train-driver orientated reasoning. The membership have a broader view. We ARE European.

Do you know why train drivers are for leave? You would think they are most vulnerable to right wing attack on pay and conditions post Brexit.

Most drivers are for remain. The Executive Committee dislikes certain commonalities for European license. Ergo medical restrictions designed for high-speed drivers being introduced here for drivers who potter around suburban or freight services. I agree with them, but not to the extent of leaving Europe, much as the vast majority of my comrades

I am sure you will forgive me, as a lay person, for thinking that someone who drives a train with 20,000 tonnes of coal or even 35 commuters should have a regular medical check.

Chris Everett sigh. Of course they do. Our checks are more stringent than airline pilots. However I'm not convinced we need the reactions of Bruce Lee to trundle around in 30 year old trains tbh.

I take your point but maybe it's the age of the trains that requires faster reactions :-) If no drivers cannot pass the test then we might get new trains? No, you are right, it's never going to happen.

As with most of these EU scare stories though the reality turns out to be more sensible than the forecast, except The Swedish Derogation as applied by the UK government of course.

Using a distorted EU regulation to beat the workers with is a genuine fear but one that should be aimed at the British government not the EU. I am glad most ASLEF members are for remain.
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Thanks Ohso. Hope that's right.
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Either way, what is clear is that absolutely nothing is clear – or at least it isn’t if you listen to what anyone is saying, anyway.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/15/geor ... ice-chaos/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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ohsocynical wrote:Either way, what is clear is that absolutely nothing is clear – or at least it isn’t if you listen to what anyone is saying, anyway.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/15/geor ... ice-chaos/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Clearest piece of writing I've read all day.
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Watching 5 minutes of Gove. That was enough.
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I kept trying to post what I'd cut and pasted off another site. This site kept telling me there was an SQL? error.

I finally sussed what was wrong. The smiley smiley passed, I suppose because we have the same option on here, but we don't have a thumbs up smiley. As soon as I deleted it, I could post.

You see. You're never too old to learn. :roll:
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Off Topic, but brilliant, brilliant graphics and sound for the Euro Football....
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Michael ‏@TheRightArticle 19m19 minutes ago

Jon Snow giving a rattled Cameron a right good going over on #toryelectionfraud #C4News
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The Male Online's latest:
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I don't want to watch this - that's for sure.
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Dr. Duncan Watson ‏@DuncanLWatson 35m35 minutes ago

Summing up some of the latest media reports on the #EUreferendum: "The working class refusing to do as they are told"
Quote of the month!
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ohsocynical wrote:Michael ‏@TheRightArticle 19m19 minutes ago

Jon Snow giving a rattled Cameron a right good going over on #toryelectionfraud #C4News
Oh good. I'll watch that on +1.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
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I don't want to watch this - that's for sure.
Mensch would be enough to put me off. I bet she's loving it, getting in the mainstream again.
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