Wednesday 22nd June 2016

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 9:21 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jun ... cial-needs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'Simply inhumane' – the law firm that fights parents seeking help for children's special needs

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 9:23 pm

All we can do tomorrow is to vote our consciences and beliefs - and that includes those of this site who propose to vote Leave: go forth, be honest, make your choice freely and without reproach.

And then we wait. That's all we can do, we can do no more until we know first the result and then the reaction.

Either way, this country will be a very different place on June 24, and we'll all have to learn to live in it.

It's been a pleasure sharing these times with you all. We will go on into the world that's coming and seek to manage it to the best of our various abilities, and we'll stay friends.

Good luck and love to you all.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 9:39 pm

Had the Guardian refrained, in the run up to May 2010, from putting quite so much gusto into its bewildering bullying of Gordon Brown, things might now be very different.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 9:42 pm

Currently:

Opinium: L 45; R 44; U 9
TNS: L 43; R 41; U 16
awaiting ComRes and YouGov

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 9:53 pm

Armageddon has arrived here a bit early. The rain is biblical, and the thunder and lightning is non-stop.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:01 pm

PorFavor wrote:Armageddon has arrived here a bit early. The rain is biblical, and the thunder and lightning is non-stop.

It's a portent . Impending doom awaits. The four horsemen will be along around 4.00 am.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:03 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Armageddon has arrived here a bit early. The rain is biblical, and the thunder and lightning is non-stop.
It's a portent . Impending doom awaits. The four horsemen will be along around 4.00 am.

I'm fine with that.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:03 pm

Evening all.

Back from three hours of Governing Body meetings having made sure I finished on time to allow those who needed it to get back to break their fast...and me in time to see some of Italy vs Ireland. Amazing finish.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:04 pm

mbc1955 wrote:All we can do tomorrow is to vote our consciences and beliefs - and that includes those of this site who propose to vote Leave: go forth, be honest, make your choice freely and without reproach.

And then we wait. That's all we can do, we can do no more until we know first the result and then the reaction.

Either way, this country will be a very different place on June 24, and we'll all have to learn to live in it.

It's been a pleasure sharing these times with you all. We will go on into the world that's coming and seek to manage it to the best of our various abilities, and we'll stay friends.

Good luck and love to you all.

Beautiful post. Thank you.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:07 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Evening all.

Back from three hours of Governing Body meetings having made sure I finished on time to allow those who needed it to get back to break their fast...and me in time to see some of Italy vs Ireland. Amazing finish.

Pro-celebrity skirting board glossing? Damn. I missed it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:08 pm

PorFavor wrote:Armageddon has arrived here a bit early. The rain is biblical, and the thunder and lightning is non-stop.

I hope it misses us. We have yellow warnings again, but a not too high percentage for rain. Looks like the Met Office is looking out the window and checking their strand of seaweed again.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:11 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Evening all.

Back from three hours of Governing Body meetings having made sure I finished on time to allow those who needed it to get back to break their fast...and me in time to see some of Italy vs Ireland. Amazing finish.

It was a brilliant match...So glad S.Ireland finally scored.

Both Irish teams, Wales and England. I don't know who to shout for the most.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:16 pm

Loobyloo ‏@joanna_caron 8m8 minutes ago

This is shambolic,Paxman's lost control, the whole setup is chaotic,I'm glad I'm not undecided as I'd be more confused now #Remain #c4debate

Was anyone here watching? Was it?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:17 pm

Oor No' Stable ‏@homelesshorse 11m11 minutes ago

#c4debate The participants must be so proud of the example they're giving: shouting, yelling, interrupting. Edifying stuff #Not

I guess it was shambolic.

Post by **refitman** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:18 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Loobyloo ‏@joanna_caron 8m8 minutes ago

This is shambolic,Paxman's lost control, the whole setup is chaotic,I'm glad I'm not undecided as I'd be more confused now #Remain #c4debate
Was anyone here watching? Was it?

It's still on. Julia H-B and Sandie Shaw have just had a slanging match

Post by **refitman** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:21 pm

Oh, joy. Toady's on now.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:22 pm

refitman wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Loobyloo ‏@joanna_caron 8m8 minutes ago

This is shambolic,Paxman's lost control, the whole setup is chaotic,I'm glad I'm not undecided as I'd be more confused now #Remain #c4debate
Was anyone here watching? Was it?
It's still on. Julia H-B and Sandie Shaw have just had a slanging match

Jonathan A Howard ‏@FriendlyDemon 12m12 minutes ago
This #c4debate is ridiculous. Bunch of shouty egos trying to claim a microphone like chimps fighting over a banana. Switched it off

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:23 pm

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... ine-hours/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
two-massive-poll-boosts-for-remain-with-voting-starting-in-less-than-nine-hours

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:23 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Loobyloo ‏@joanna_caron 8m8 minutes ago

This is shambolic,Paxman's lost control, the whole setup is chaotic,I'm glad I'm not undecided as I'd be more confused now #Remain #c4debate
Was anyone here watching? Was it?

It was absolutely dreadful and totally chaotic. Jeremy Paxman was completely unable to "take back control" (to coin a phrase).

Edited to add -

Simon Schama (sp?) was good, though.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:25 pm

Mr Ohso's watching Hunting huge monsters in Alaska featuring a bunch of loud Americans with guns ... Far more civilised.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:27 pm

Laswon said that we have Nato to protect us.

That's the Nato whose chief wants us to remain?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:28 pm

Just started raining and lightning in the distance...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:29 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Just started raining and lightning in the distance...

Still going strong here.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:31 pm

Goodnight, everyone. Sleep well.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:33 pm

Night all.....Sleep well.

Post by **refitman** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:34 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone. Sleep well.

Night PF.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:38 pm

If that straw poll at the end of Paxo's debate was anything to go by then it should be a walk in the park for remain tomorrow.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:43 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Currently:

Opinium: L 45; R 44; U 9
TNS: L 43; R 41; U 16
awaiting ComRes and YouGov

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now adding:

ComRes: L 46; R 54
YouGov: L 49; R 51

doesn't really help much does it

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:45 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone. Sleep well.

Goodnight, PorFavor!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:46 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Night all.....Sleep well.

Goodnight, Ohso!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:48 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:If that straw poll at the end of Paxo's debate was anything to go by then it should be a walk in the park for remain tomorrow.

Oh, please let it be a definitive result all over giving the thing credibility

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:54 pm

Sticking my neck out here...but I did say a while back that the waverers would vote Remain.

There's been upwards of 10% undecided in virtually every poll until we've hit the final ones. When push comes to shove...play safe.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 10:54 pm

I think the polls are telling us it could be either very close one way, very close the other way, or something completely different.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 11:06 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Had the Guardian refrained, in the run up to May 2010, from putting quite so much gusto into its bewildering bullying of Gordon Brown, things might now be very different.

Or if it hadn't enthusiastically joined in with the highly personalised attack on Ed Milliband October 2010 to mid April 2015. When it seems to have suddenly realised the LibDems really were finished so grumpily suggested voting for Labour, a party against whose leader it had launched multiple attacks per day for the previous 9 months.

An approach it has continued since then against Corbyn.

While the hordes below the line howl how extremely left wing the tribalistic Labour-supporting Guardian is.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 11:18 pm

I see the world appears to be ending again...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 22 Jun, 2016 11:42 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 Jun, 2016 12:29 am

http://www.theguardian.com/housing-netw ... le-mothers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who gets housing benefit and what does it cost?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 Jun, 2016 2:14 am

More about the sit-in

House Democrats stage sit-in protest to demand vote on gun control

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... un-control" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... un-control" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... ail-ethics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36598736" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_(Georgia_politician" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Rep Jim Himes, who represents a district near Sandy Hook Elementary School and walked out of a House moment of silence for Orlando, said: “This is a moment for moral clarity and moral language. Like all of you, I’m here to get something done, so I tend to shy away from moral language. But there are moments... When Americans are lying in pools of blood day in and day out, that is a time for moral clarity.”

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 Jun, 2016 4:14 am

The comparisons between sit ins during the civil rights movement and today’s House of Reps sit in have been numerous, and John Lewis - one of the heroes and leaders of the civil rights movement - spoke to supporters outside this evening about the power of them in US history.

“Many many years ago, before many of you were born, before you were even a dream, we participated in sit ins and stand ins to change America,” said Lewis.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 Jun, 2016 4:29 am

This from Greg Meeks, a representative from Queens, New York, earlier tonight, who spoke about how the death of boxer Muhammed Ali showed how this country can unite.

We saw this nation coming together. We saw people, Native Americans, African-Americans, Hispanics, white, Jews, Muslims, Christians, all day memorializing the life of a man who decided that he had to stand up and speak out no matter what the cost.

Meeks noted that many criticized the sit in as useless. “They said you can’t win. You don’t have the votes. You must be crazy. They said you’re wasting your time. Well I come back and say look at John Lewis in 1963 when he was almost beaten to death, and they said he couldn’t do it either, but he came back…. we can will and we will win