Thursday 23rd June 2016

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:46 am

It doesn't sound right for Nuneaton.

There was mention on Radio 4 about Chris Bryant calling Ed M a 'tosspot' and storming out of a Labour party. Anyone got more of an idea about what happened.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:46 am

Uttlesford better than expected for Remain

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:46 am

Nuneaton other way around.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:47 am

Nuneaton and Bedworth, #EUref result:
Remain: 34.0% (23,736)
Leave: 66.0% (46,095)

Sadly

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:47 am

Stroud, #EUref result:
Remain: 54.6% (40,446)
Leave: 45.4% (33,618)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:48 am

Decent Remain result in Stroud.

Has to be said some better results coming in now. They're obviously doing a good job with the erasers

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:49 am

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
Peterborough, #EUref result: Remain: 39.1% (34,176)
Leave: 60.9% (53,216)

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:49 am

yahyah wrote:It doesn't sound right for Nuneaton.

There was mention on Radio 4 about Chris Bryant calling Ed M a 'tosspot' and storming out of a Labour party. Anyone got more of an idea about what happened.

The Guardian reported Bryant as saying he wanted to punch Ed Miliband. Blames him for "condition" of the Labour Party apparently.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:50 am

"Win or lose this referendum Ukip is in a very, very good position. If we win this referendum then Ukip should get the plaudits ...

If we lose, and it is only going to be very tight, the SNP have done quite well out of losing a tight referendum. Anger is a very powerful emotion in politics and people, I think, will come to Ukip in their droves."

Paul Nuttall.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:50 am

Peterborough better than expected for Remain

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:51 am

Shocker for Remain in Watford

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:51 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Decent Remain result in Stroud.

Has to be said some better results coming in now. They're obviously doing a good job with the erasers

Tubby will be pleased, that's near his old stamping ground.

thatchersorphan · Post by **thatchersorphan** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:51 am

Wigan votes LEAVE with 104,331 to 58,942

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:51 am

And Wigan

Leave 63.9%
104,331 VOTES

Remain 36.1%
58,942 VOTES

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:54 am

Nice one Scousers.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:54 am

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 44s45 seconds ago
Rugby, #EUref result:
Remain: 43.3% (25,350)
Leave: 56.7% (33,199)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:55 am

TR'sGhost wrote:Telegraph reporting that Bloomberg reckon the pound's slide against the dollar is now worst in sterling's history. Worse even than Lawson's Black Wednesday 1992.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... erendum-c/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Right now I want to see Cameron and Osborne's heads stuck on spikes on Westminster Bridge. Just how incompetent, short-termist and stupid can they be?

Short-termism, yes. They govern as though they genuinely don't see a future. Maybe they believe our environment is on course for a catastrophe within our lifetimes - within a decade, or less. I'm not saying that's true, about the environment, it's bad but I don't know when we tip over into a point of no return. That's not my point. Tory government are spectacularly awful and I can't understand how such stupid got into leadership.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:55 am

Rugby bit more Leave than predicted.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:55 am

Less than 12,000 between Remain/Leave.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:55 am

Have a

yahyah, only bright spot so far!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:56 am

HindleA wrote:Less than 12,000 between Remain/Leave.

I know! I just saw that too.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:56 am

Oh and good morning Yah Yah.

Sadly it would seem the idiots are winning.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:58 am

RobertSnozers wrote:Ceredigion in favour of Remain - is that yahyah's neck of the woods?

Narrower than I'd hoped though, we came out as the most Europhile place in the UK in a survey recently. Only 54.6% for Remain.

thatchersorphan · Post by **thatchersorphan** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:59 am

Lancashire looking very Brexity

Pendle has voted out: 63.1%

Hyndburn has voted out: 66.1%

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:59 am

Surrey Heath, #EUref result: Remain: 49.0% (25,638)
Leave: 51.0% (26,667)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 2:59 am

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Have a yahyah, only bright spot so far!

Thank you Skippy. Have missed you.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:00 am

RobertSnozers wrote:Cards on the table. I'm probably going to suffer personally in the event of a Brexit. My wife is an academic, and because of the amount of funding for research that comes to Britain via the EU, it's likely to have catastrophic effects on her. She works in a small department that's only ever one or two missed grants away from being closed. This is going to have a huge effect on a higher education sector that's already bowing under the pressure from cuts. And as for me, I'm a freelance writer, and my work almost died during the crash. During periods of uncertainty, the first thing companies hold back on is advertising. Magazines live by advertising - less of it means less content, and less paid for it. The sector is still tight - two titles in my sector are about to merge.

Funnily enough I've been approaching this referendum largely on issues of the greater good. Now I start to consider self interest, I get a very hollow feeling inded

We have a similar situation, although rather than being an academic my missus works in a regional office of a Big Accountancy company, predominantly working with overseas companies with subsidiaries in the UK. She's going to be very busy as they uncouple from the UK, but after a year or two, then that's it, game over.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:01 am

Better than expected for Remain in Surrey Heath

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:01 am

Good turnout in Ceredigion, 74.5%.
We're the first Welsh area where Remain has won. Hopefully not the last.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:02 am

Both the Guardian and Telegraph's live coverage have those bar chart things across the top. Both are portraying the referendum as a cartoon competition between Cameron and Johnson.

It's a bit more important than that I would have thought.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:03 am

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Oh and good morning Yah Yah.

Sadly it would seem the idiots are winning.

Hi Sky. Nice to see you.

Just wish the circumstances were happier.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:04 am

TR'sGhost wrote:Both the Guardian and Telegraph's live coverage have those bar chart things across the top. Both are portraying the referendum as a cartoon competition between Cameron and Johnson.

It's a bit more important than that I would have thought.

I'd be happy with that the way it's going. Better than the sodding "progressives" on Twitter who have it as Jez vs Nigel.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:04 am

No surprise that the Forest of Dean voted Leave.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:05 am

TR'sGhost wrote:"Win or lose this referendum Ukip is in a very, very good position. If we win this referendum then Ukip should get the plaudits ...

If we lose, and it is only going to be very tight, the SNP have done quite well out of losing a tight referendum. Anger is a very powerful emotion in politics and people, I think, will come to Ukip in their droves."

Paul Nuttall.

(my bold)

Paul Nuttall has no idea how dangerous an angry bunch of people are - he thinks he'll be safe.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:07 am

TR'sGhost wrote:Both the Guardian and Telegraph's live coverage have those bar chart things across the top. Both are portraying the referendum as a cartoon competition between Cameron and Johnson.

It's a bit more important than that I would have thought.

I wrote the same thing earlier on.
It's a Tory game, this. People aren't choosing between Cameron and Johnson. This is an EU referendum. Does the UK remain in the EU or no. That's all. Tory government isn't being chosen. Tory government remains.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:09 am

Apparently Liverpool is a solid Remain

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:09 am

TR'sGhost wrote:Both the Guardian and Telegraph's live coverage have those bar chart things across the top. Both are portraying the referendum as a cartoon competition between Cameron and Johnson.

It's a bit more important than that I would have thought.

It's an infantile affectation that I think started from the US side of the site.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:09 am

Theresa Villiers looks like a weird victorian doll with that hairstyle.

Oh dear looks like we're doing crap in the Black Country.

Still too close to call though.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:10 am

What really is frustrating me is why has the country embraced the right wing vision since 2010 ?
Apart from Scotland.

If the working classes and others who feel so disenfranchised, and anti-immigrant because they are worried about their jobs/low pay/housing etc. had mobilised after the financial crash things might have changed for the good.

Why couldn't they be arsed to demand change for the system that caused recession, capitalism, yet have bothered to scream for Brexit ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:11 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Apparently Liverpool is a solid Remain

It wos the Sun wot dun it

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:11 am

Aberdeen City, #EUref result:
Remain: 61.1% (63,985)
Leave: 38.9% (40,729)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:12 am

Yes you're right, Aberdeen should have been stronger for Remain.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:12 am

Remain wins not by a big enough margin at the moment.50/50 now.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:13 am

citizenJA wrote:Maybe they believe our environment is on course for a catastrophe within our lifetimes - within a decade, or less. I'm not saying that's true, about the environment, it's bad but I don't know when we tip over into a point of no return..

Within a decade or less is what we had about 5 years ago. Chances of humanity making the right moves - not just choices, but moves - within the next 5 years? Not very good. Not very good at all.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:15 am

Has anyone ventured to the Guardian blog ? Can imagine the Kippers are being totally nauseating at the moment.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:16 am

Vale of Glamorgan, #EUref result:
Remain: 50.7% (36,681)
Leave: 49.3% (35,628)

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:16 am

Perhaps because they've been given the opportunity to escape the clutches of the EU and "send back" immigrants, both of which have been oppressing them. Or so the media has relentlessly informed them year after year.

In the absence of an effective left, it's no surprise that simplistic, easily understood, "common sense" right wing "solutions" have a strong appeal.

Most of the people voting in this referendum have a shakey idea of how the EU actually works (if they have any idea at all). We're just not told remotely truthfully how politics, economics and international relations work and affect each other and daily life. Do other countries teach school-kids next to nothing about how their country is run or its constitution because that would be "political"?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:17 am

Vale of Glamorgan less Remain than expected.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:18 am

Shocker

South Lakeland, #EUref result:
Remain: 52.9% (34,531)
Leave: 47.1% (30,800)

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 3:18 am

Haringey 76% remain.

My own vote counts at long last.