Monday 27th June 2016

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:44 pm

The reason I am trying to zone out from it is to avoid kneejerking.
If my laptop had a printer attached I'd have about ten copies of my membership resignation letter printed out by now, and nine of them torn up and in the bin. Fortunately the printer's in the other room.

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:44 pm

I hope I have misunderstood Zoe Williams (although I have watched and listened very carefully twice) who has been on Sky News with the ever present Lady Smug (Isobel Oakeshott)

Apologies if I have got this wrong but I believe she commented that it was "morally wrong" for Corbyn to stay on when the PLP is trying to take the fight to the tories.

Excuse me.Who started all this nonsense. There are many other ways to show your disquiet rather than a wholesale planned and targeted (if you believe Sophie Ridge by the Fabians) public onslaught.This can do nothing for the image of the Labour party as a whole, no matter what your views on the issues involved.. In addition do the views of the members not have a say or are they just a useful adjunct come election time for our illustrious PLP?

Of course Lady Smug,probably off to a farmhouse supper with her neighbour Dave at the weekend, sat smirking and adding the odd barbed comment showing her disdain that we should even be talking about a commoner when should be praising the beloved Dave when he is being (in her words) statesmanlike.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:49 pm

Some fascinating conversations going on on Twitter.

Tonight @Channel4News 7.00pm to 8.30pm Don't miss it! Ninety minutes of 'Britain adrift': amid the worst constitutional crisis in 200 years.

Ian ‏@iancharris 1h1 hour ago Birmingham, England
@jonsnowC4 @Channel4News
for Christ sake Jon let it lie. #Leave won and despite your warnings the Sky hasn't fallen in. @guidofawkes

Louis ‏@El_Squeegio 1h1 hour ago
@iancharris
so apart from the crashing pound, faltering ftse, leave promise backtracking, civil war in Lab&Con + lack of plan it's all fine?

TheShaw2009 ‏@TheShaw2009 1h1 hour ago
@El_Squeegio @iancharris
You forgot increased race crimes, threat of UK breaking up. Shall we go on?

Louis ‏@El_Squeegio 1h1 hour ago
@TheShaw2009 @iancharris
two much shiteness going on to describe in 140 characters

Ian ‏@iancharris 1h1 hour ago
@TheShaw2009 @El_Squeegio
a crisis is when we get blackouts, shops run out of goods, queues at petrol stations. None of those yet.

Ian ‏@iancharris 1h1 hour ago
@TheShaw2009 @El_Squeegio the mess is mostly in the heads of a few in the Westminster bubble. Out in real world it's pretty normal.

Louis ‏@El_Squeegio 56m56 minutes ago
@iancharris @TheShaw2009 just because you've not felt the effects after 4 days doesn't mean you won't: the economy affects everyone mate

Ian ‏@iancharris 53m53 minutes ago
@El_Squeegio @TheShaw2009
they won't happen. If there is a change it will be slow & gradual not fast and uncontrolled.

TheShaw2009 ‏@TheShaw2009 1h1 hour ago
@iancharris @El_Squeegio
Phew! That's okay then. We can relax until that happens. We are in a mess now and it needs sorting

Bill Cruickshank ‏@BjCruickshank 20m20 minutes ago Scotland, United Kingdom
@jonsnowC4 @135192peter @Channel4News
Scotland is adrift through no fault of its' own. Angus Robertson is right Scotland is staying in EU!

DeniseCouper ‏@GraceBrodie 19m19 minutes ago
@BjCruickshank @jonsnowC4 @135192peter @Channel4News
It is our fault for not voting Yes in 2014 #indyref2

Bill Cruickshank ‏@BjCruickshank 17m17 minutes ago Scotland, United Kingdom
@GraceBrodie @jonsnowC4 @135192peter @Channel4News
You can't blame the 45% who voted #YES but our day is coming soon!

fedup59 · Post by **fedup59** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:50 pm

PorFavor wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
PorFavor wrote: Ideally, someone with a lot of Jeremy Corbyn's beliefs and values (I'm not sure that he is fully engaged with the concept of the EU in any form and I feel that his comfort zone is stuck largely in the early 1970s) but who is more both more engaged and, frankly, engaging. A close fit would do. I don't want to move further right or centre. Yes, I know - who?
Dennis Skinner
Of course! Why didn't I think of that?

I like corbyn partly because he's never going to set the heather on fire. I really wanted ed for PM but if he couldn't get decent backing from the party stalwarts or honest coverage from the media then I'd rather have a man of principle who just deals with what is (how I see him). The fact that there is no obvious alternative says to me the party needs some stability to work towards it. The sad thing is that those involved in this coup seem to think think that building consensus in the party means doing what they've decided is the right answer.

Like the idea of Dennis though! Keep having this image of davidm holding a banana. Think I'd like to keep corbyn for now, not really a lot of point to a coup without an alternative in the wings.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:51 pm

Sport.

It's everywhere. Show is glued to football on his computer in the bedroom and I am sooooo into the tennis. Djokovic is wonderful.

I want Iceland to win tonight. Football, not tennis. By just being there they have made history - and they make more the further they go.

There's a little video going around (that I can't link to a) because Show didn't tell me where it is and b) because - Luddite, thy name is Ephie)
A little boy got lost amid the throng of Welsh and Northern Irish fans; they held him up, got on their knees en masse, and starting to chant "Stand up if you are his dad" to the tune of "Go west". Brilliant. That's international co-operation, that is. Take note, politicos.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:52 pm

[quote="citizenJA"]I've no idea what's going on.[/quoteBBB

1An assortment of non Labour members are amassed showing their loyalty to the leader of a Party they aren't a member of.
2.Long term members/MP's are being traitors,automatic Blairites pond life and being told to piss off out of the party by non members,past members of convenience and its my party not anybody elses brave loyalists.

Makes perfect sense really.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:55 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Some fascinating conversations going on on Twitter.

Tonight @Channel4News 7.00pm to 8.30pm Don't miss it! Ninety minutes of 'Britain adrift': amid the worst constitutional crisis in 200 years.

Ian ‏@iancharris 1h1 hour ago Birmingham, England
@jonsnowC4 @Channel4News
for Christ sake Jon let it lie. #Leave won and despite your warnings the Sky hasn't fallen in. @guidofawkes

Louis ‏@El_Squeegio 1h1 hour ago
@iancharris
so apart from the crashing pound, faltering ftse, leave promise backtracking, civil war in Lab&Con + lack of plan it's all fine?

TheShaw2009 ‏@TheShaw2009 1h1 hour ago
@El_Squeegio @iancharris
You forgot increased race crimes, threat of UK breaking up. Shall we go on?

Louis ‏@El_Squeegio 1h1 hour ago
@TheShaw2009 @iancharris
two much shiteness going on to describe in 140 characters

Ian ‏@iancharris 1h1 hour ago
@TheShaw2009 @El_Squeegio
a crisis is when we get blackouts, shops run out of goods, queues at petrol stations. None of those yet.

Ian ‏@iancharris 1h1 hour ago
@TheShaw2009 @El_Squeegio the mess is mostly in the heads of a few in the Westminster bubble. Out in real world it's pretty normal.

Louis ‏@El_Squeegio 56m56 minutes ago
@iancharris @TheShaw2009 just because you've not felt the effects after 4 days doesn't mean you won't: the economy affects everyone mate

Ian ‏@iancharris 53m53 minutes ago
@El_Squeegio @TheShaw2009
they won't happen. If there is a change it will be slow & gradual not fast and uncontrolled.

TheShaw2009 ‏@TheShaw2009 1h1 hour ago
@iancharris @El_Squeegio
Phew! That's okay then. We can relax until that happens. We are in a mess now and it needs sorting

Bill Cruickshank ‏@BjCruickshank 20m20 minutes ago Scotland, United Kingdom
@jonsnowC4 @135192peter @Channel4News
Scotland is adrift through no fault of its' own. Angus Robertson is right Scotland is staying in EU!

DeniseCouper ‏@GraceBrodie 19m19 minutes ago
@BjCruickshank @jonsnowC4 @135192peter @Channel4News
It is our fault for not voting Yes in 2014 #indyref2

Bill Cruickshank ‏@BjCruickshank 17m17 minutes ago Scotland, United Kingdom
@GraceBrodie @jonsnowC4 @135192peter @Channel4News
You can't blame the 45% who voted #YES but our day is coming soon!

Ian ‏@iancharris 1h1 hour ago
@TheShaw2009 @El_Squeegio
a crisis is when we get blackouts, shops run out of goods, queues at petrol stations. None of those yet.

Note the "yet".

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:56 pm

ScarletGas wrote:Nothing to do with the fact he is being sponsored by that bastion of journalistic integrity The Sun of course!

It woz the Sun wot lost it for 'im.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:57 pm

Evening all.

Did I miss anything? Saw this.

Paul WaughVerified account
‏@paulwaugh
Don't panic, Britain. We're in safe hands. Oliver Letwin is in charge of Brexit cross-Govt preparations, No10 says. Yes, Oliver Letwin.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:57 pm

yahyah wrote:The reason I am trying to zone out from it is to avoid kneejerking.
If my laptop had a printer attached I'd have about ten copies of my membership resignation letter printed out by now, and nine of them torn up and in the bin. Fortunately the printer's in the other room.

Don't resign yet. I think they've ended up having to ask for a leadership election, and Corbyns name will be on it. So that'll be exciting!

Actually one of the good guy MPs has asked members to wait before we do any thing rash. I've been hanging on because if I can vote for him, it's a poke in the eye to the right. If he wins then he still gets my support. If anyone from the right gets in, then as I said, I'm out.

I have read on Twitter that there is a surge in Labour party membership again and people are saying they're doing it in support of Corbyn and so they can vote for him.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:57 pm

HindleA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I've no idea what's going on.[/quoteBBB

1An assortment of non Labour members are amassed showing their loyalty to the leader of a Party they aren't a member of.
2.Long term members/MP's are being traitors,automatic Blairites pond life and being told to piss off out of the party by non members,past members of convenience and its my party not anybody elses brave loyalists.

Makes perfect sense really.

So Hindle, I assume that Corbyn will get beaten when the membership is consulted so then should be okay...must have been mistaken when I thought he walked the election last year

Perhaps you want 'long-term members' to get double votes?

The left had to live through purges in the Blair years and deselections.......

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 6:58 pm

ephemerid wrote:Sport.

It's everywhere. Show is glued to football on his computer in the bedroom and I am sooooo into the tennis. Djokovic is wonderful.

I want Iceland to win tonight. Football, not tennis. By just being there they have made history - and they make more the further they go.

There's a little video going around (that I can't link to a) because Show didn't tell me where it is and b) because - Luddite, thy name is Ephie)
A little boy got lost amid the throng of Welsh and Northern Irish fans; they held him up, got on their knees en masse, and starting to chant "Stand up if you are his dad" to the tune of "Go west". Brilliant. That's international co-operation, that is. Take note, politicos.

I love you, Ephemerid.
Give my love to your family, please.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:00 pm

HindleA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I've no idea what's going on.[/quoteBBB

1An assortment of non Labour members are amassed showing their loyalty to the leader of a Party they aren't a member of.
2.Long term members/MP's are being traitors,automatic Blairites pond life and being told to piss off out of the party by non members,past members of convenience and its my party not anybody elses brave loyalists.

Makes perfect sense really.

I love you, HindleA.
I hope your parents are well, please give them my love.
You're in my thoughts, sending you coconut key lime cake with tea.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:03 pm

HindleA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I've no idea what's going on.[/quoteBBB

1An assortment of non Labour members are amassed showing their loyalty to the leader of a Party they aren't a member of.
2.Long term members/MP's are being traitors,automatic Blairites pond life and being told to piss off out of the party by non members,past members of convenience and its my party not anybody elses brave loyalists.

Makes perfect sense really.

I wonder who they will vote for come a GE?

Actually there is a bit of a surge in membership again. People are joining Labour so they can support Corbyn.

Up the workers

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:04 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Evening all.

Did I miss anything? Saw this.

Paul WaughVerified account
‏@paulwaugh
Don't panic, Britain. We're in safe hands. Oliver Letwin is in charge of Brexit cross-Govt preparations, No10 says. Yes, Oliver Letwin.

Could be worse. George Osborne could be in charge of the economy. Bwah hahaha.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:06 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote: So Hindle, I assume that Corbyn will get beaten when the membership is consulted so then should be okay...must have been mistaken when I thought he walked the election last year

Perhaps you want 'long-term members' to get double votes?

The left had to live through purges in the Blair years and deselections.......

I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:06 pm

ohsocynical wrote:More for Boris to answer to.

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The worrying thing is, are people still believing what he says?

A cartoon from further down that conversation:

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:07 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Evening all.

Did I miss anything? Saw this.

Paul WaughVerified account
‏@paulwaugh
Don't panic, Britain. We're in safe hands. Oliver Letwin is in charge of Brexit cross-Govt preparations, No10 says. Yes, Oliver Letwin.

Good-evening, Roger, welcome back. I had a breakdown when I saw that about Letwin in charge.
Oliver Letwin is facilitator for domestic Brexit operations. The man mumbling, 'sorry', last year, unconvincingly,
after documentation from the Thatcher era came off ice outing him as a thoroughly uncooperative, insensitive person.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:07 pm

David Wilcock ✔ @DavidWilcockPA
Tosh McD "I used to get up an hour early to hate Thatcher. Some of current PLP are running her close for how much I hate them."

Admirable.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:08 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote: So Hindle, I assume that Corbyn will get beaten when the membership is consulted so then should be okay...must have been mistaken when I thought he walked the election last year

Perhaps you want 'long-term members' to get double votes?

The left had to live through purges in the Blair years and deselections.......
I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.

Then so be it

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:08 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
HindleA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I've no idea what's going on.[/quoteBBB

1An assortment of non Labour members are amassed showing their loyalty to the leader of a Party they aren't a member of.
2.Long term members/MP's are being traitors,automatic Blairites pond life and being told to piss off out of the party by non members,past members of convenience and its my party not anybody elses brave loyalists.

Makes perfect sense really.

So Hindle, I assume that Corbyn will get beaten when the membership is consulted so then should be okay...must have been mistaken when I thought he walked the election last year

Perhaps you want 'long-term members' to get double votes?

The left had to live through purges in the Blair years and deselections.......

But,don't you think it's very dedicated of Hindle to go to the rally and check who everybody voted for?
Good work H,got some pictures too?
Like,here's one of Jason,doesn't vote Labour but caught the train to London to support Jeremy Corbyn.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:09 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
HindleA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I've no idea what's going on.[/quoteBBB

1An assortment of non Labour members are amassed showing their loyalty to the leader of a Party they aren't a member of.
2.Long term members/MP's are being traitors,automatic Blairites pond life and being told to piss off out of the party by non members,past members of convenience and its my party not anybody elses brave loyalists.

Makes perfect sense really.
I wonder who they will vote for come a GE?

Actually there is a bit of a surge in membership again. People are joining Labour so they can support Corbyn.

Up the workers

I love you, Ohso.

Thank you for your continued patience with me.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:10 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote: I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.

If being the key word. IF there is such a superman/superwoman candidate out there, why does no-one know who he/she is?

One thing's for certain, Lisa Nandy isn't that person.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:12 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote: So Hindle, I assume that Corbyn will get beaten when the membership is consulted so then should be okay...must have been mistaken when I thought he walked the election last year

Perhaps you want 'long-term members' to get double votes?

The left had to live through purges in the Blair years and deselections.......
I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.
Then so be it

Well, I did say credible alternative. Still don't know who that is or where they've been hiding all this time.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:12 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote: So Hindle, I assume that Corbyn will get beaten when the membership is consulted so then should be okay...must have been mistaken when I thought he walked the election last year

Perhaps you want 'long-term members' to get double votes?

The left had to live through purges in the Blair years and deselections.......
I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.
Then so be it

Lisa Nandy. Ashamed to say her name has never penetrated my brain. In fact, I don't have a clue who she is, except she must have mush for brains for letting herself become so involved.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:12 pm

danesclose wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote: I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.
If being the key word. IF there is such a superman/superwoman candidate out there, why does no-one know who he/she is?

One thing's for certain, Lisa Nandy isn't that person.

Is Nandy aware she's standing as a Labour leader candidate? I think it's fair to let her know. Or not. It's fine.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:13 pm

I haven't followed this afternoon fully but gather that, other than Ken Clarke, our parliamentarians have simply acquiesced to the plebiscite results of a lame duck Prime Minister's abrogation of duty. Best deal for this, best deal for that negotiating our exit rather than stop it in its tracks. No confidence in government and an immediate GE otherwise we have a Tory party appointed PM.

Current agreements withstanding, the clock is already ticking with or without invoking Article 50 unless we can demonstrate that it shall not be called. Cameron meanwhile gets off lightly and shall walk away with ne'er a glance behind him.

Bonnylad · Post by **Bonnylad** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:13 pm

S and P downgrade credit rating to AA.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:14 pm

citizenJA wrote:
danesclose wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote: I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.
If being the key word. IF there is such a superman/superwoman candidate out there, why does no-one know who he/she is?

One thing's for certain, Lisa Nandy isn't that person.
Is Nandy aware she's standing as a Labour leader candidate? I think it's fair to let her know. Or not. It's fine.

Her name has come up.....The only one at present.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:15 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote: So Hindle, I assume that Corbyn will get beaten when the membership is consulted so then should be okay...must have been mistaken when I thought he walked the election last year

Perhaps you want 'long-term members' to get double votes?

The left had to live through purges in the Blair years and deselections.......
I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.

Then so be it.But far better to lose in a democratic election than be ousted in an orchestrated coup,don't you think?
That's what democrasy is about innit?

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:17 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote: I'm not so convinced Corbyn will win this time, sorry to say. If the PLP do manage to find a credible alternative, Corbyn could lose.
Then so be it
Well, I did say credible alternative. Still don't know who that is or where they've been hiding all this time.

I am not slavishly supporting Corbyn in any way.

What I think is that the blame for the referendum does not sit with him - many people are culpable including some who are criticising him today but primarily our PM

I think that what has happened in the last couple of days has been nothing less than disgraceful and, in my eyes, has been coordinated and inept

There has been no credible suggestion for someone who can replace him and continue taking the Labour on a path of anti-austerity and anti-neoliberalism

If someone like that is there who can win the election against Corbyn then fantastic....just not seen any evidence of it

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:17 pm

They also warned that foreign firms are less likely to invest in the UK and the sterling could also lose its role as a global reserve currency
graun live

still not convinced that doing this is honourable.

Post by **refitman** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:18 pm

HindleA wrote:Tory leader by 2nd September.

I assume whoever is selected will be attacked in the same way Brown was, for being " the PM no-one voted for"?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:18 pm

Rachael ‏@Rachael_Swindon 8m8 minutes ago
Evening @OwenSmith_MP I thought you understood hardship? Yet a couple of years back you claimed £934.76 for gas & electric on your 2nd home?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:19 pm

Rebecca wrote:Then so be it.But far better to lose in a democratic election than be ousted in an orchestrated coup,don't you think?
That's what democrasy is about innit?

True, but the bigger problem in my opinion is what could happen should Corbyn win.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:20 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
They also warned that foreign firms are less likely to invest in the UK and the sterling could also lose its role as a global reserve currency
graun live
still not convinced that doing this is honourable.

Is there anything or anyone in politics or banking that is honorable these days?. I think that word is set to disappear from the dictionaries.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:21 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
Rebecca wrote:Then so be it.But far better to lose in a democratic election than be ousted in an orchestrated coup,don't you think?
That's what democrasy is about innit?
True, but the bigger problem in my opinion is what could happen should Corbyn win.

They should have thought of that before they launched this inept coup

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:25 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
Rebecca wrote:Then so be it.But far better to lose in a democratic election than be ousted in an orchestrated coup,don't you think?
That's what democrasy is about innit?
True, but the bigger problem in my opinion is what could happen should Corbyn win.

They should have thought of that before they launched this inept coup

Well, quite.

Ah, Labour Party, bless your little incompetent cotton socks, you lovable sometime party of the left.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:26 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
Rebecca wrote:Then so be it.But far better to lose in a democratic election than be ousted in an orchestrated coup,don't you think?
That's what democrasy is about innit?
True, but the bigger problem in my opinion is what could happen should Corbyn win.

I honestly think he's a steady pair of hands. He's not going to steer us over the cliff. We should be directing our worries at those bloody Conservatives. They're already doing their, trust us, nothing to see here, move along. .... God help us.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:27 pm

Feeling better now.
Chardonnay.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:29 pm

Higher education faces the challenge of making it clear to overseas students that the UK is still a vibrant, tolerant and open country in spite of the vote to leave the EU, the principal of one of Europe’s leading conservatoires has said.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... a-students" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trouble is, no-one's going to believe it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:33 pm

Rebecca wrote:Feeling better now.
Chardonnay.

Ooooh...Envy emotion.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:33 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 05561.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BREXIT. Taking the Great out of Britain.
Oh - and the Britain.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:33 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Higher education faces the challenge of making it clear to overseas students that the UK is still a vibrant, tolerant and open country in spite of the vote to leave the EU, the principal of one of Europe’s leading conservatoires has said.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... a-students" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trouble is, no-one's going to believe it.

Why would they? It's not true.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:34 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Rebecca wrote:Feeling better now.
Chardonnay.

Ooooh...Envy emotion.

I am settled with a small vermouth.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:39 pm

Politicians responsible for explaining what's at stake have admitted they may have fudged some of the consequences.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05481.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm still not convinced that going through with this is honourable.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:40 pm

Just seen an ex-member of SC (don't know who it was) saying that he was for an argument against Free Movement - how does that work with all these people whp are keen on remain? I though Corbyn was bad because he wasn't supportive enough

It is as I said before there is absolutely no clear from those complaining what the want!!!!

And he also said it was coordinated

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:40 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:True, but the bigger problem in my opinion is what could happen should Corbyn win.
I honestly think he's a steady pair of hands. He's not going to steer us over the cliff.

He may not. The rest of the PLP I am not at all convinced about. And that's the problem. It doesn't matter if his hands are still on the tiller if the rest of the crew are all on one side of the ship causing it to capsize.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:43 pm

“No-one on the leave side doesn’t want free trade with Europe,” prominent pro-leave MEP Daniel Hannan just said on BBC News.

As far as Europe goes, it should be possible to stay inside an arrangement with the EU with bilateral deals, which would allow for free movement, but what we will not have are foreign courts deciding who can come into the UK.
Graun live

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 7:44 pm

Who was the mp who claimed there was no orchestrated campaign to drip drip?