Wednesday 29th June 2016

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:41 pm

Temulkar wrote:They are going for the wicked counsillors line next bullying an old man.

Yes,well,it's the PLP bullying an old man.They really are cowards.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:42 pm

So much for caring about the Labour movement

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 09551.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:44 pm

Temulkar wrote:They are going for the wicked counsillors line next bullying an old man.

Come on Gandalf, break the spell!

Phase 54218 : patronise Corbyn.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:48 pm

Before I go out again,are we actually leaving the eu?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:49 pm

Jamie McGeeverVerified account
‏@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse's downgrade to its UK GDP forecast next year is huge: to MINUS 1.0% from PLUS 2.3%.

Yikes!

Still doesn't justify an emergency budget though. It'll blow a hole in Osborne's "deficit gone by 2019" or whatever year he's plucked out of the air.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:53 pm

Short of Corbyn resigning, there's only one way out of this now for everyone concerned, but it'll be a highly damaging one nonetheless:

Leadership election where Corbyn stands but promises not to to take up the position if he wins. That the vote is an opportunity for Members to express their opinion on the PLP. If they vote for him, it's a vote of no confidence in the PLP. If they vote for the 'saviour of the Labour Party' candidate(s), it's a vote of confidence in the PLP. Either way, the winner in the 'saviour' category becomes leader.

Edit: CYA

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:56 pm

I hope this doesn't go on too long. I've got to start monitoring my blood pressure again for a visit to the GP next week. No way it will be any lower than last time.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:57 pm

Ha, superb!

http://news.sky.com/story/1719331/goves ... p-concerns" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gove and Murdoch, sitting in a tree....

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:58 pm

Is Corbyn really looking traumatised ? Is this part of the spin ?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 4:59 pm

yahyah wrote:Is Corbyn really looking traumatised ?

No. Just everybody else!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:00 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Ha, superb!

http://news.sky.com/story/1719331/goves ... p-concerns" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gove and Murdoch, sitting in a tree....

You can tell she's a Brexit supporter. The CLUE is in HER use of CAPITALS.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:00 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Ha, superb!

http://news.sky.com/story/1719331/goves ... p-concerns" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gove and Murdoch, sitting in a tree....

Mrs Blurt, blurts.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:02 pm

yahyah wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Ha, superb!

http://news.sky.com/story/1719331/goves ... p-concerns" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gove and Murdoch, sitting in a tree....
You can tell she's a Brexit supporter. The CLUE is in HER use of CAPITALS.

She's was a bit random in what she chose to capitalise, I thought.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:04 pm

I do like the way the media miss the worst aspect of that leak. It isn't that Boris can't be trusted, it's that Gove is nothing but a Murdoch puppet.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:09 pm

That's the clue that she is a right wing Brexiteer. The random nature of the capitals.
No one would have guessed otherwise.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:20 pm

Ah we are now being threatened with a mass resignation of the whip. The split begins no candidate clearly.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:31 pm

Disgusting beyond belief. Strong arm tactics. They seem to be determined to do this every which way except the correct, within the party regulations way. Despicable. Corbyn has got to force them through the proper channels, no matter the damage done.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:32 pm

How anyone is going to be able to take any of these idiots seriously as politicians after this is completely beyond me.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:41 pm

Have just spoken to one of our local party officials, wanting to pass on my displeasure at what's happening, she is also very angry at the goings on.
She's asked me to put it in an email.
When I told her the Guardian story about the party name she nearly spontaneously combusted.
She is appalled at the lack of process and democracy.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:43 pm

Laura KuenssbergVerified account
‏@bbclaurak
Watson tells me he won't stand but there will be leadership election

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:48 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why are the police failing too many victims of disability hate crime

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:49 pm

Cowards, liars, thieves, trimmers, poltroons, dastards, weaklings, caitiffs, malingerers, invertebrates (where's a handy Tintin book with Captain Haddock on a rant when you need one?) bashi-bazouks, lickspittle, bottom-feeders.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:50 pm

http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2016 ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Freud announces LHA cap review date

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:51 pm

I've got a couple mbc. Tintin in Tibet's my favourite.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:52 pm

Watson accusing McDonnell. This isn't getting any better.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:56 pm

yahyah wrote:I've got a couple mbc. Tintin in Tibet's my favourite.

I used to have the lot, but had to get rid in 2009 when I underwent a severe downgrade in housespace. I chose those (and the Asterix books) rather than others because they would be easy and inexpensive than many other things to replace when my circumstances improved: they have not yet improved.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:57 pm

Hi all

My, based on nothing except my own musings, reflections

The PLP have to get Corbyn to resign for a number of reasons

There is no candidate who can beat him, they need him off the field so two or more of them can battle it out

If he wins, the NEC has to bring back mandatory reelection - they cannot let the rebels get away with this show of disloyalty, bullying and ignoring the clear rules on leader challenge. Not all will lose but there a lot who will. Cushy job for life out of the window

Chilcott....I still think this was one of the clear milestones for certain members of the old New Labour cabal....I would not be at all surprised to see that they are behind this

If he wins the next leadership election he will have the mandate to change the party's direction

Corbyn is an old campaigner...he thrives on this, as probably does McDonnell, and has been waiting for ages. He also knows he still has strong support outside Westminster. He could only have dreamt of this a year ago. They have completely cocked up this whole thing and made complete fools of themselves

Tom Watson is in an interesting position as he will not want to lose his Deputy Leader position and could have an influential role to play if he stays, on the surface, loyal to the process

I am now awaiting warfare opening out between the rebels

Corbyn will be keen to last until next Wednesday and Chilcott - I imagine that means he just has to get to the weekend and recharge his batteries for another couple of days before putting up with again next week. I guess it could still get nastier though

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 5:58 pm

A group of schoolchildren who went missing in the Brecon Beacons during a Duke of Edinburgh exercise have all been found safe
and well, mountain rescuers confirmed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... on-beacons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:14 pm

frog222 wrote:It was such a stupid idea, from the start, and I'm still er surprised that so many played along, (Corbyn, lack of intellectual rigour ??? )

Because knowledge of what the combined forces of the Tories, UKIP and anti-EU media would do to anyone who dated suggest the Great British Public should be denied their say in the most important issue of our time I think. Especially Labour, the "party of mass immigration to build Labour a client electorate", the party of "discredited, failed socialism" permanently obedient to the whims of the "anti-democratic union bullies" who "destroyed Great Britain" until Maggie.

"Labour Take Our Freedoms Away" would have been the headlines.

You think Corbyn and Labour have had it bad since last May? It could have been far worse.

Also, as Napoleon said. "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake." The Tories have made the biggest blunder of modern times, which could easily have been exploited and I think that was what Corbyn was trying to do (I'll say more about that later). Unfortunately the MPS who would like a party without any inconvenient, awkward members, just MPs, funders and advisers, decided it would be a better idea to overthrow Corbyn and the party and seize control instead.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:23 pm

NonOxCol wrote:I recommend Martin Rowson's Twitter timeline, starting from here.

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Won't make you feel any better like, and I don't agree with everything in it, but it is interesting and fits my mood.

Martin Rowson
Jun 28
Martin Rowson ‏@MartinRowson
@nine_shields No no no! It is unimaginable that Corbyn could do anything Murdoch would even notice. A proper nutter would take him on

This is wrong in so many ways it goes beyond wrong and into as yet unexplored regions of wrongness.

Of course Murdoch noticed. That's why his mouthpieces spent all that time and energy attacking Ed Milliband then Corbyn and always attacking Labour, and when they couldn't find anything true they made shit up and kept repeating it.

"Corbyn showed off naked Diane Abbott to his mates". Remember that one from a few months ago?

And as for "proper nutters", be very, very careful what you wish for Martin, because you might just get it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:28 pm

http://www.centreforwelfarereform.org/n ... 3g.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK in breach of international human rights

Apologies if anything is posted that has been mentioned before,looking further afield according to the "you might as well get pissed off at everything" principle.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:29 pm

Kevin SchofieldVerified account
‏@PolhomeEditor
Angela Eagle will NOT challenge Jeremy Corbyn. She will only stand when/if there is a contest. "It's a Mexican stand-off", says senior MP.

So who is going to be the Anthony Meyer equivalent?

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:30 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Further indicators of the 'FU Labour Members' assault by the PLP:

Anti-Corbyn Labour MPs investigate party name ownership
‘Saving Labour’ group floats plans for breakaway group as pro-Corbyn supporters organise rallies

http://gu.com/p/4n5vf?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Bit late to only now be trying to get more members joining your cause. Perhaps they should have thought about it roughly 20 years ago.

They can just call themselves New Labour

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:30 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Kevin SchofieldVerified account
‏@PolhomeEditor
Angela Eagle will NOT challenge Jeremy Corbyn. She will only stand when/if there is a contest. "It's a Mexican stand-off", says senior MP.

So who is going to be the Anthony Meyer equivalent?

This would be really funny if it wasn't so serious.......

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:31 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -safetypin" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
this is small but somewhat heartening

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:32 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Kevin SchofieldVerified account
‏@PolhomeEditor
Angela Eagle will NOT challenge Jeremy Corbyn. She will only stand when/if there is a contest. "It's a Mexican stand-off", says senior MP.

So who is going to be the Anthony Meyer equivalent?

Cowards the bloody lot of them.(not JC,think he is being very brave)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:33 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... le-england" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Great Britain --> Little England. Just what we want.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:44 pm

The longer they stall from launching a challenge the risk of someone breaking ranks under pressure from constituencies becomes very likely. Some of these MPs dont look happy about where they have been forced to go by the plotters. Everyone thought it would be all over by now.

Abject cowardice and it wont help their cause one bit.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:57 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
Temulkar wrote:The longer they stall from launching a challenge the risk of someone breaking ranks under pressure from constituencies becomes very likely. Some of these MPs dont look happy about where they have been forced to go by the plotters. Everyone thought it would be all over by now.

Abject cowardice and it wont help their cause one bit.
It's all in limbo now, though. No exit strategy. As someone said earlier, they've been plotting this for nine months?? I'm astonished they didn't have a candidate willing to stand. Or is Lisa Nandy still in the frame?

If this is the quality of the majority of the Labour Party, it should be closed as Not Fit For Purpose, and the inmates disbursed to find their natural level in society: cleaning sewers.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 6:57 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
Temulkar wrote:The longer they stall from launching a challenge the risk of someone breaking ranks under pressure from constituencies becomes very likely. Some of these MPs dont look happy about where they have been forced to go by the plotters. Everyone thought it would be all over by now.

Abject cowardice and it wont help their cause one bit.
It's all in limbo now, though. No exit strategy. As someone said earlier, they've been plotting this for nine months?? I'm astonished they didn't have a candidate willing to stand. Or is Lisa Nandy still in the frame?

She couuld be but realistically she is not going to win, and has she the stature to do the role. 5 years time perhaps. Burnham is being very quiet......

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:05 pm

https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/505 ... h-movement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Brexit predominantly English movement

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:19 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:Yes. Did he resign too or did I imagine that?

Still making up his mind what to do. On past form, we could be waiting some time to find out.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:26 pm

2m ago 19:23

Angela is Eagle is going to launch her Labour leadership challenge tomorrow morning.
(Politics Live, Guardian)

Edited to add -

Or, if you read on, she is "likely" to do so.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:28 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
TR'sGhost wrote:
frog222 wrote:It was such a stupid idea, from the start, and I'm still er surprised that so many played along, (Corbyn, lack of intellectual rigour ??? )
Because knowledge of what the combined forces of the Tories, UKIP and anti-EU media would do to anyone who dated suggest the Great British Public should be denied their say in the most important issue of our time I think. Especially Labour, the "party of mass immigration to build Labour a client electorate", the party of "discredited, failed socialism" permanently obedient to the whims of the "anti-democratic union bullies" who "destroyed Great Britain" until Maggie.

"Labour Take Our Freedoms Away" would have been the headlines.

You think Corbyn and Labour have had it bad since last May? It could have been far worse.

Also, as Napoleon said. "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake." The Tories have made the biggest blunder of modern times, which could easily have been exploited and I think that was what Corbyn was trying to do (I'll say more about that later). Unfortunately the MPS who would like a party without any inconvenient, awkward members, just MPs, funders and advisers, decided it would be a better idea to overthrow Corbyn and the party and seize control instead.
I don't think the full stupidity of having a referendum was apparent until the campaign was underway. It wasn't to me, anyway. I always thought Ed's position of not having a referendum because it would distract from more important things was absolutely the right one but always sounded a bit weak in the company of other politicians making sweeping statements about letting the people decide. I think there was also an argument in favour of having a referendum now rather than waiting for possible future treaty change. There's always the possibility that a future Labour government would have been the one to take us out of the EU against all good sense, on the promise to hold an in-out referendum when there was next a treaty change. Not that that helps us now.

Plus I think we all thought it would be the Tory party ripping itself to shreds and not Labour. We didn't reckon on the desperation of the ultras.

I'm fairly out of touch , but it seemed to me that Corbyn did not and has not capitalised on the Tory blunder, but just went along with the whole thing . The idea that a scraped majority of say 50.001 % is worth anything at all is a poor joke, and even what happened with 1.8% , one in fifty electors (!), does not stand up either ...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:35 pm

Oh, hang about - it's all on (BBC).

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:43 pm

Just seen a young woman - Momentum supporter I think - Barbara ? Making mincemeat of Tom Baldwin (ex Miliband Adviser). On Channel 4 News.

All he could say - in his best 'you are young you don't know anything tone' was that it was essential that Corbyn resign for the sake of the country and the party. She was extremely articulate about anti austerity and Corbyn's support..

Before that there was a report from a Momentum meeting in Sheffield and the journalist was careful to point out that there were ordinary members of labour there as well. She said that there was overwhelming support for Corbyn

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:43 pm

More excellent news from house of Brexit:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ing-agency" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Firms are going to delay investment and hiring decisions as a result of the Brexit vote, which will take a significant toll on the UK economy, the rating agency Fitch has warned.

“The main source of uncertainty relates to the future of the UK’s trading relationship with the EU – its main trading partner and destination for 44% of UK exports,” Fitch said. It also cast doubt on any hope that the UK would secure membership of the European Economic Area trading bloc, as suggested by some.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:45 pm

Graun live on Labour leadership

the choice is essentially between different captains of the Titanic,

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:48 pm

Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary tells Sky's Ian King the Brexit vote will see it locate new aircraft outside the UK and will in the longer term will mean higher fares for consumers. He explains why it has not needed to issue a post-vote profit warning but says "if it gets much worse we may have to look at that".
http://news.sky.com/video/1719385/ryana ... it-impact?

a tiny silverish lining of sorts.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Wed 29 Jun, 2016 7:48 pm

I have to say, I'm surprised we haven't heard from this man yet. He could emerge from the political underground to be the kingmaker. That would be a major development.

In a week like this...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ckingboris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...it's feasible.