Sat 9 and Sun 10 July 2016

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 11:14 am

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... are_btn_fb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I fear my 14-year-old son will kill me one day

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 11:16 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... -continent" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
nice that we're making everyone else's future mistakes so they don't have too

Just paid off the war and now this.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 11:36 am

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -euro-2016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
pleasantly cheery piece about Iceland's footballing heroes

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 11:42 am

Apologies if this was linked to yesterday.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... article-50

The politically sensitive hearing will be heard by two judges in the divisional court. The Dos Santos claim argues that: “The result of the referendum is not legally binding in the sense that it is advisory only and there is no obligation [on the government] to give effect to the referendum decision.

other legal challenges are also in pipeline.

Harry Shindler, 94, who tried to overturn the ban preventing those who have lived overseas for more than 15 years from voting, has threatened to challenge the validity of the referendum result at the United Nations.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 11:52 am

Has it struck anyone else that out of all the Conservative MPs, Theresa May and Angela Leadstom are the best they can do? We should be very afraid.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 11:56 am

yahyah wrote:So over four million signatures isn't sufficient reason to have a debate in the House about a second referendum.
It was a nice hope while it lasted.

Petition panel could still decide
there should be a debate,
but would be in Westminster hall so wouldn't be binding.

Is this the same for all petitions?
If so it's not been made clear.
Maybe the petition system acts as a conduit,
to channel peoples energies away from other avenues of protest while giving false hope that they can change something.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 11:57 am

Labour deputy leader Tom Watson has called off talks with union chiefs over the future of party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

http://news.sky.com/story/watson-calls- ... sf-twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:06 pm

They say that we get the politicians we deserve. I've been looking back and wondering just what the hell we did to deserve this.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:08 pm

Just popped back from a brief view from Europe. This reference to Farage as a possible replacement for Cameron in http://www.lemonde.fr/referendum-sur-le ... 72498.html rather amused me.

Les deux plus fervents partisans du Brexit, l’ancien maire de Londres Boris Johnson et l’ex-leader du parti d’extrême droite UKIP, Nigel Farage, ont tous deux refusé de monter au créneau et de se porter candidat pour remplacer David Cameron et gérer les procédures de sortie de l’Union européenne.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:08 pm

Crispin Flintoff ‏@Fruitandvegdon 16h16 hours ago

Just read Neil Kinnock saying JC is dogmatic because he won't compromise. So should Mandela have compromised? Or Suffragettes? Or Gandhi?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:09 pm

Actual spoken words,emphasis etc-worse than just reading.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:14 pm

Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 40m40 minutes ago Camberwell, London

Jawdropping (HT @johngapper) When asked about EU tariffs post #Brexit @andrealeadsom says "Why would they do that?"

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:18 pm

Good morfternoon.

Since 7th\8th May 2015, every day has just got worse.

I know the issue (the motherhood thing) is wider than Theresa May v Andrea Leadsom for PM, but being reduced to going in to bat (nominally, at least) for Theresa May is so depressing. I'm in despair.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:20 pm

Oh dear...

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:22 pm

: ScreenShot01470.jpg (64.94 KiB) Viewed 6246 times

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:29 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Since 7th\8th May 2015, every day has just got worse.

I know the issue (the motherhood thing) is wider than Theresa May v Andrea Leadsom for PM, but being reduced to going in to bat (nominally, at least) for Theresa May is so depressing. I'm in despair.

Although I probably disagree with her politically on pretty much every point, at least Theresa May appears to be an actual human being, with real feelings, which isn't a given for prospective Tory leaders. She has had moments of vulnerability, such as when she was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, which she has handled with real class. I can at least admire her for holding her own in a very male dominated Tory cabinet, easily eclipsing many of her colleagues despite the serial incompetence at the beginning of her time as home secretary. Which is why Leadsom will probably win, because the Tories wouldn't be Tories if they ever picked the more generally likeable and able out of two prospective leaders.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:30 pm

Controversial mega-database of medical records scrapped over privacy concerns

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 23126.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:30 pm

...[Benn]was sacked for his alleged involvement in a coup against the leader

How can 'openly admitted to' during the phone conversation that caused him to be sacked turn into alleged?

Meanwhile, ready to swoop...

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:36 pm

The more and more I hear of what Angela Leadsom is saying, the more and more incredible it becomes that she is being considered remotely seriously for a position of power at a kindergarten, let alone a state. Her overwhelming ignorance, her lack of any realistic sense of priorities, her lack of judgement and her stupidly ineffectual attempts at covering up her lies render her unfit in every way. Unless we are prepared to consider that the country has descended into an overwhelming spasm of insanity, of genuinely suicidal proportions, which is not out of the question, the only logical explanation is that Leadsom is the front for persons or forces that have no intention of exposing themselves in public.

At which point we are entering the realms of out and out paranoia: secret cabals, shady organisations, concealed military coups, mafiaesque gangs. And if there were any such groups planning such a clandestine takeover of this country, you cannot help that they would have chosen a much more plausible figurehead.

Even Donald Trump has more reality behind him.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:36 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“The Labour party was founded with the explicit aim of pursuing the parliamentary path to socialism. Every Labour leader needs to command the support of their MPs in the parliamentary Labour party, as well as party members, in order to achieve that. It is clear to all that Jeremy has lost the support of the PLP with little prospect of regaining it."

Watson re-stating Kinnock's words.

Clear whose side he is on.

Presumably Watson is a Blairite now.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:39 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
...[Benn]was sacked for his alleged involvement in a coup against the leader
How can 'openly admitted to' during the phone conversation that caused him to be sacked turn into alleged?

Meanwhile, ready to swoop...

Because the past no longer exists. It has become infinitely mutable in order that the future may be continually rewritten.

It's rather like living in the DC Universe...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:47 pm

Well...

Ben Riley-Smith Verified account
‏@benrileysmith

OFFICIAL: Cameron announces Trident vote on July 18.

Designed purely to trip Labour up. Why else would a departing PM invoke something like this which ties the hands of as yet unknown successor?

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:50 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Crispin Flintoff ‏@Fruitandvegdon 16h16 hours ago

Just read Neil Kinnock saying JC is dogmatic because he won't compromise. So should Mandela have compromised? Or Suffragettes? Or Gandhi?

Really ?

Gandhi, Mandela, Pankhurst and... Corbyn !

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:52 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“The Labour party was founded with the explicit aim of pursuing the parliamentary path to socialism. Every Labour leader needs to command the support of their MPs in the parliamentary Labour party, as well as party members, in order to achieve that. It is clear to all that Jeremy has lost the support of the PLP with little prospect of regaining it."

Watson re-stating Kinnock's words.

Clear whose side he is on.

Presumably Watson is a Blairite now.

Whatever else you say about Corbyn, he has been an MP for a third of a century.

That suggests at least *some* degree of attachment for parliamentary, constitutional means of achieving change.

And the likes of Kinnock and Watson like to invoke the wider Labour "movement" when it suits them.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:53 pm

mbc1955 wrote:The more and more I hear of what Angela Leadsom is saying, the more and more incredible it becomes that she is being considered remotely seriously for a position of power at a kindergarten, let alone a state. Her overwhelming ignorance, her lack of any realistic sense of priorities, her lack of judgement and her stupidly ineffectual attempts at covering up her lies render her unfit in every way. Unless we are prepared to consider that the country has descended into an overwhelming spasm of insanity, of genuinely suicidal proportions, which is not out of the question, the only logical explanation is that Leadsom is the front for persons or forces that have no intention of exposing themselves in public.

At which point we are entering the realms of out and out paranoia: secret cabals, shady organisations, concealed military coups, mafiaesque gangs. And if there were any such groups planning such a clandestine takeover of this country, you cannot help that they would have chosen a much more plausible figurehead.

Even Donald Trump has more reality behind him.

And here she is: our very own Sarah Palin.

edited to remove rant

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 12:55 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well...

Ben Riley-Smith Verified account
‏@benrileysmith

OFFICIAL: Cameron announces Trident vote on July 18.

Designed purely to trip Labour up. Why else would a departing PM invoke something like this which ties the hands of as yet unknown successor?

I doubt if many will care overmuch about this transparent gimmick, given all else that is going on right now.

GetYou · Post by **GetYou** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:03 pm

No, but it still adds to the overwhelming body of evidence which indicates he is a massive bellend though

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:04 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... talks-fail" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Angela Eagle set to announce Labour leadership bid on Monday...

... unless she lands in a US military base by mistake
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... force-base" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:05 pm

I want my country back!
(sorry OUR country)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:07 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well...

Ben Riley-Smith Verified account
‏@benrileysmith

OFFICIAL: Cameron announces Trident vote on July 18.

Designed purely to trip Labour up. Why else would a departing PM invoke something like this which ties the hands of as yet unknown successor?

It doesn't tie any successor much, though, does it? Is there anyone in the Tory party who is against renewal? Indeed, it widens the options. Crack Labour apart and going to the country straight away becomes far less risky and a larger majority could be useful. The current make-up of parliament makes some things, like coming out of the ECHR which I believe May favours, difficult to do, regardless of the post-Brexit sea change.

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:07 pm

HindleA wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:someone posted a piece from Martin Rowson the other day (written not drawn) - can anyone remember what it was/provide the link (apologies, I thought I'd harvested it).

https://martinrowson.wordpress.com/2016 ... july-2016/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you so much for the link to this marvellous article:

He expresses the anger he feels so eloquently. E.g.

" I fear that my Post-Brexit Traumatic Stress Disorder is because I’ve been proved right. During the thirty years I’ve been a professional satirist I’ve been screaming my head off, here and elsewhere, that the people who presume to lead us and our nation are a pack of craven, incompetent, complacent, cruel and callous clowns. That thanks to the dominant orthodoxy of my entire adult life – which preaches all wisdom resides exclusively in the Divine Mysteries of The Market – our politics is dominated by hobbyists, chancers, obsessives, careerists and cranks. That consequently a lot of politics has become a playpen lined with mirrors for posh boys masquerading as statesmen, acting with all the long-term responsibility of gap-year interns. That this parade of posturing narcissists spans from hard-faced men, looking forward to doing well out of the next recession who view our nation as simply an opportunity for salvage, via a centre ground of surrendering sidekicks all the way over to paranoid Personality-cultists. And all of this acted out against a backdrop of de-industrialisation, a national trauma that equalled conquest, feudalism, war or Industrialisation itself, but was treated by our masters as either an opportunity for more salvage, mixed in with grabbing the tactical partisan chance to undermine support for Labour and the unions, or as fixable with a new community arts centre."

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:11 pm

Willow904 wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Well...

Ben Riley-Smith Verified account
‏@benrileysmith

OFFICIAL: Cameron announces Trident vote on July 18.

Designed purely to trip Labour up. Why else would a departing PM invoke something like this which ties the hands of as yet unknown successor?
It doesn't tie any successor much, though, does it? Is there anyone in the Tory party who is against renewal? Indeed, it widens the options. Crack Labour apart and going to the country straight away becomes far less risky and a larger majority could be useful. The current make-up of parliament makes some things, like coming out of the ECHR which I believe May favours, difficult to do, regardless of the post-Brexit sea change.

An early election is still very unlikely IMO.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:12 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I want my country back!
(sorry OUR country)

Seriously beginning to wonder,declaring my home and garden an independent State and digging an underground network for necessary excursions for provisions etc,seems a better option.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:13 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 27806.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Klinsmann to lead England?

(not strictly politics - apologetic emoticon)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:14 pm

Does anyone know why Corbyn's team are convinced he has an automatic right to be on the ballot when precedence in the case of Kinnock suggests he needs the backing of 20% of the PLP like the challenger?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:19 pm

The bulk of legal advice suggests he is on the ballot automatically in the event of any challenge, if he does not resign.

(it has been suggested the rules on this were changed after the 2010 GE, maybe Kinnock did not notice?)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:20 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:The bulk of legal advice suggests he is on the ballot automatically if he does not resign (it has been suggested the rules on this were changed after the 2010 GE, maybe Kinnock did not notice?)

Ah, thanks.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:21 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:
ScreenShot01470.jpg
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Their point being that the Parliamentary route requires the leader has Parliamentary support. As you know.

“The Labour party was founded with the explicit aim of pursuing the parliamentary path to socialism. Every Labour leader needs to command the support of their MPs in the parliamentary Labour party, as well as party members, in order to achieve that. It is clear to all that Jeremy has lost the support of the PLP with little prospect of regaining it."

Watson re-stating Kinnock's words.

Clear whose side he is on.

Presumably Watson is a Blairite now.
Whatever else you say about Corbyn, he has been an MP for a third of a century.

That suggests at least *some* degree of attachment for parliamentary, constitutional means of achieving change.

And the likes of Kinnock and Watson like to invoke the wider Labour "movement" when it suits them.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:22 pm

Interesting that someone referred to student politics before

The current PLP behaviour reminds me of my student Labour days

My university had an active Labour Society and I was a member for the whole time I was there

The leadership was made up of the liberal arts students - not denigrating arts students here but these people I am referring to had only a few hours of organised per lectures per week whereas I was timetabled for 30 hours...not much time for politicking on top of maintaining my reputation as a social butterfly

They were an unpleasant bunch as well.....and it was clear (I went out with one for a while) that they we only interested in a future career in politics. They had no fixed principles to speak of apart from trying to manoeuvre themselves into future career. There were the sabbatical years taken and the factions created - all posturing and nonsense really that left some of us truly bewildered

The factionalism was interesting - it was very fluid and based on personality rather than policy. Very incestuous and could get quite nasty.......as with all clubs and socieites like this people took sides. I took the side of one because I was going out with one of the main ringleaders and had no choice, but was not particularly bothered one way or another

Because the people were involved were very focused on being seen to 'win' everyone was expected to take a side and so we all did but 90% were not committed to anything it was, as I said due to personalities, and in some cases threats and bullying took place. Nothing overt but being shunned was not what anyone wanted to be, especially by the people who effectively ran the student union.

It put me off Labour politics for an age

You may say all this is irrelevant but some of these people are of an age where they are, or where, influential in Labour politics even now....one of the was a joint-founder of Progress, and another went to on to be Chief of Staff for Blair......seems they managed to get where they wanted to be

This may mean nothing but my personal experience of some of the people I have seen tweeting about the current Labour members and leadership as being a cult, are some of the most unpleasant people I have known - even at a young age - and were looking to get into politics for not the best reasons

It will be interesting if there is a move before recess because once the MPs get back to their constituencies at the end of the month, they may find their appetite for rebellion less pressing.....outside the bubble and the fevered atmosphere - with a number of membership unimpressed by their actions

I must say it is strange that of the 172 who voted against Corbyn....we have only heard publicly from a very few usual suspects....even John Mann has been very quiet. Does that indicate a lack of real enthusiasm for going to the membership?

Perhaps we will see on Monday!

PS See Trident vote soon - I have a feeling the membership will not be quite so keen on the gung-ho renewal as the PLP.....another issue for Eagle on top of Iraq and everything else.....I saw Corbyn give a standing ovation to Cook after hos resignation speech....what was Eagle doing at the time?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:34 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
Their point being that the Parliamentary route requires the leader has Parliamentary support. As you know.

“The Labour party was founded with the explicit aim of pursuing the parliamentary path to socialism. Every Labour leader needs to command the support of their MPs in the parliamentary Labour party, as well as party members, in order to achieve that. It is clear to all that Jeremy has lost the support of the PLP with little prospect of regaining it."

Watson re-stating Kinnock's words.

Clear whose side he is on.

Presumably Watson is a Blairite now.
Whatever else you say about Corbyn, he has been an MP for a third of a century.

That suggests at least *some* degree of attachment for parliamentary, constitutional means of achieving change.

And the likes of Kinnock and Watson like to invoke the wider Labour "movement" when it suits them.

You wanted to say something?

I think that my points there were reasonable. Historically, Labour has *always* been more than just its MPs (important as they are)

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:35 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Whatever else you say about Corbyn, he has been an MP for a third of a century.

That suggests at least *some* degree of attachment for parliamentary, constitutional means of achieving change.

And the likes of Kinnock and Watson like to invoke the wider Labour "movement" when it suits them.
You wanted to say something?

I think that my points there were reasonable. Historically, Labour has *always* been more than just its MPs (important as they are)

His best ever post I think AK

And your points were reasonable

Post by **refitman** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:37 pm

British politics needs more “bloody difficult women”, Theresa May, the favourite to be next prime minister, has said in an interview setting out her stall for the Conservative leadership.

I'd settle for someone who isn't utterly fucking useless and an irredeemable shit.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ken-clarke" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:41 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:.

danesclose said exactly the same thing yesterday

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:44 pm

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 2m2 minutes ago

NEC will decide whether Corbyn needs nominations to get on the ballot. Trade unions crucial.

Right, off out. Wife has six couples + new babies coming for a reunion after the classes she taught so that's a good excuse to go and take some pictures and pay a visit to Rough Trade and buy some music. Later.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 1:55 pm

Sneak preview of the leadership contest (edit: if you want to skip more footage of holding patterns, the real action begins 48 seconds into the film... It's brutal):

[youtube]nIQgkW73NXQ[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 2:07 pm

Willow904 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Since 7th\8th May 2015, every day has just got worse.

I know the issue (the motherhood thing) is wider than Theresa May v Andrea Leadsom for PM, but being reduced to going in to bat (nominally, at least) for Theresa May is so depressing. I'm in despair.
Although I probably disagree with her politically on pretty much every point, at least Theresa May appears to be an actual human being, with real feelings, which isn't a given for prospective Tory leaders. She has had moments of vulnerability, such as when she was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, which she has handled with real class. I can at least admire her for holding her own in a very male dominated Tory cabinet, easily eclipsing many of her colleagues despite the serial incompetence at the beginning of her time as home secretary. Which is why Leadsom will probably win, because the Tories wouldn't be Tories if they ever picked the more generally likeable and able out of two prospective leaders.

Oh, yes - I agree with you and have said similar things here to those you have expressed. Teresa May looked, for instance, genuinely distressed when all the child abuse stuff was going on. However . . .

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 2:09 pm

yahyah wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
yahyah wrote:@roger

Are we the TrotsRabbleDogs
Locked in our own little echo chamber...
That's rich after the last few weeks, so many views, so many differing opinions.

I'm more of an OldLabourPussycat myself.
No denim dungarees and Stop the War badges, I'm linen, Georg Jensen jewellery and lipstick.

Good Lord, if you lived in Ipswich you could be my best friend from school days, that's her to a t.

I've just been watching the end of the wheelchair tennis match, terrific, so competetive.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 2:09 pm

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1360183-bre ... -scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
"An independent Scotland committed to the EU would have an extraordinary opportunity to attract inward investment as well as highly skilled migrants.

I feel a sort of reverse Britain coming on in due course. When all the people in the southeast are complaining about the Holyrood bubble ...

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 2:18 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1360183-bre ... -scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
"An independent Scotland committed to the EU would have an extraordinary opportunity to attract inward investment as well as highly skilled migrants.
I feel a sort of reverse Britain coming on in due course. When all the people in the southeast are complaining about the Holyrood bubble ...

Those bloody MSPs, sipping their Irn Brus and eating their deep-fried Mars bars*. What do they know about the real world, eh?

* I apologise for this shameless bit of stereotyping. This would be Dundonians, not people in Edinburgh.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 09 Jul, 2016 2:26 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone.