Monday 11th July 2016

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:21 pm

One final indignity for the beleaguered Andrea Leadsom:

Britain’s blue-chip FTSE 100 index is smashing into Bull Market territory.

The Footsie has jumped by 60 points to 6650, a new 11-month high, as Andrea Leadsom confirms that she is withdrawing from the Tory party leadership battle.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:22 pm

I wonder how the Conservative membership feels about this?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:23 pm

PorFavor wrote:I wonder how the Conservative membership feels about this?

I can't even begin to imagine

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:24 pm

Today I am announcing my decision to stand for the leadership of the Labour Party.

I would not do this if I did not think I had something to offer to bring our party and our country back together.

And I would not do this if I did not think I could be a good prime minister for Britain.

These are dark times for Labour. And they are dangerous times for our country.

A referendum designed to settle an argument inside the Conservative party has resulted in the country being torn apart. Our economy damaged. Our society hurt.

At this time, with a failed PM, and a tiny number of Conservative party members choosing the next one, our country needs a strong Labour Party.

We alone can hold this right wing Tory government to account and then replace it by winning a general election.

Jeremy Corbyn is unable to provide the leadership this huge task needs.

I believe I can.

I’m not a Blairite. I’m not a Brownite. I’m not a Corbynista. I am my own woman.

A strong Labour woman.

I believe in Labour as a force for good.

I am rooted in and proud of our party, and believe in my country.

I believe we are at our best when we come together to shape a future where everyone has opportunity, no matter what their background, no matter who they are. That is my mission in politics and in life.

I stand for hope not grievance.

I stand for equality, for social justice, for social mobility.

I am a practical socialist driven by a strong set of values who wants to get things done.

I was born in Yorkshire and grew up in Merseyside. My dad was a printer and my mum was a seamstress.

My parents taught me to work hard, respect others and always to stand up for the things I believe in. And that’s precisely what I’m doing today.

I went to a Comprehensive School and then to Oxford – the first in my family ever to go to university.

I came into politics when I saw the damage Thatcherism was doing to our communities. I wanted to change things then. I still do.

Whether you voted to Leave or Remain, there is no doubt that the result has left our country divided and uncertain.

Divided between young and old, between city and town, and between nation and nation. How we respond now will shape our future for generations to come.

This vote was a message from millions in our country who felt no one had listened to them for a very long time. For many, it was a howl of pain.

Now.. "How on earth do we bring hope to parts of our country that feel they have been neglected for years?”

“How do we protect jobs, investment and living standards?”

“How do we remain an open tolerant society?”

“And will we stay a United Kingdom?”

Labour was founded to be the voice of working people in Parliament. We have never just been a parliamentary party or just a movement.

We are both.

Everything we are proud of, from the NHS to the Minimum Wage to the Equality legislation that has modernized and civilized our society is there because we were in government.

I am not here for a Labour Party that just takes part. I’m here to win.

I will not stand back and allow Britain to become a one party Tory state. We owe too much to the millions in our country who look to us to help them make a better life.

This is certainly about uniting Labour but it’s about much more than that.

It’s about our democracy as well as our party.

It’s about giving hope to people all over the country that Labour can be an alternative government, ready and equipped to serve.

The blunt truth is the country does not believe that when they look at us right now. But they will if I win this fight.

And I need your help to win it.

I need those who want a better Labour Party and a better politics to join Labour now, to help me change Labour for the better.

I am a person who brings people together, I don’t drive them apart.

I will unite, I will not divide.

I can bring our Party together again.

A kinder politics must be a reality, not just an empty slogan.

The Tories may play out their game of thrones.

But they have nothing to offer on the questions this country now faces.

I love my party and I love my country.

We are at a crossroads.

I am ready to lead.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:25 pm

We are at a crossroads.

I am ready to lead.

Err has anyone got a map?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:27 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Today I am announcing my decision to stand for the leadership of the Labour Party.

I would not do this if I did not think I had something to offer to bring our party and our country back together.

And I would not do this if I did not think I could be a good prime minister for Britain.

These are dark times for Labour. And they are dangerous times for our country.

A referendum designed to settle an argument inside the Conservative party has resulted in the country being torn apart. Our economy damaged. Our society hurt.

At this time, with a failed PM, and a tiny number of Conservative party members choosing the next one, our country needs a strong Labour Party.

We alone can hold this right wing Tory government to account and then replace it by winning a general election.

Jeremy Corbyn is unable to provide the leadership this huge task needs.

I believe I can.

I’m not a Blairite. I’m not a Brownite. I’m not a Corbynista. I am my own woman.

A strong Labour woman.

I believe in Labour as a force for good.

I am rooted in and proud of our party, and believe in my country.

I believe we are at our best when we come together to shape a future where everyone has opportunity, no matter what their background, no matter who they are. That is my mission in politics and in life.

I stand for hope not grievance.

I stand for equality, for social justice, for social mobility.

I am a practical socialist driven by a strong set of values who wants to get things done.

I was born in Yorkshire and grew up in Merseyside. My dad was a printer and my mum was a seamstress.

My parents taught me to work hard, respect others and always to stand up for the things I believe in. And that’s precisely what I’m doing today.

I went to a Comprehensive School and then to Oxford – the first in my family ever to go to university.

I came into politics when I saw the damage Thatcherism was doing to our communities. I wanted to change things then. I still do.

Whether you voted to Leave or Remain, there is no doubt that the result has left our country divided and uncertain.

Divided between young and old, between city and town, and between nation and nation. How we respond now will shape our future for generations to come.

This vote was a message from millions in our country who felt no one had listened to them for a very long time. For many, it was a howl of pain.

Now.. "How on earth do we bring hope to parts of our country that feel they have been neglected for years?”

“How do we protect jobs, investment and living standards?”

“How do we remain an open tolerant society?”

“And will we stay a United Kingdom?”

Labour was founded to be the voice of working people in Parliament. We have never just been a parliamentary party or just a movement.

We are both.

Everything we are proud of, from the NHS to the Minimum Wage to the Equality legislation that has modernized and civilized our society is there because we were in government.

I am not here for a Labour Party that just takes part. I’m here to win.

I will not stand back and allow Britain to become a one party Tory state. We owe too much to the millions in our country who look to us to help them make a better life.

This is certainly about uniting Labour but it’s about much more than that.

It’s about our democracy as well as our party.

It’s about giving hope to people all over the country that Labour can be an alternative government, ready and equipped to serve.

The blunt truth is the country does not believe that when they look at us right now. But they will if I win this fight.

And I need your help to win it.

I need those who want a better Labour Party and a better politics to join Labour now, to help me change Labour for the better.

I am a person who brings people together, I don’t drive them apart.

I will unite, I will not divide.

I can bring our Party together again.

A kinder politics must be a reality, not just an empty slogan.

The Tories may play out their game of thrones.

But they have nothing to offer on the questions this country now faces.

I love my party and I love my country.

We are at a crossroads.

I am ready to lead.

Am I allowed to blow a raspberry and stick two fingers up?

Bonnylad · Post by **Bonnylad** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:30 pm

Bookies Skybet have shortened the odds on Article 50 never being triggered...

Article 50
Market refers to the official execution of Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty by the UK government, effecting its withdrawal from the European Union. A triggering made at exactly midnight counts as the following day for the purposes of this market.

July 1 to September 30 2016 6/1

October 1 to December 31 2016 5/1

January 1 to March 31 2017 4/1

April 1 to June 30 2017 9/2

July 1 to September 30 2017 9/1

October 1 to December 31 2017 12/1

2018 or later, or not at all 11/8

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:33 pm

Andrea May? (Chair of the 1922 Committee). Women, eh? They all look the same to him . . . .

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:38 pm

Michael Gove has said Theresa May should be the next prime minister. In a statement he said:

Andrea Leadsom spoke with great dignity and courage today. I wish her every success in the future. We should now move as quickly as possible to ensure Theresa May can take over as leader. She has my full support as our next prime minister.

From G live blog.

Post by **refitman** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:43 pm

I assume Cameron will interject soon, about May not having a mandate?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:43 pm

Willow904 wrote:
Michael Gove has said Theresa May should be the next prime minister. In a statement he said:

Andrea Leadsom spoke with great dignity and courage today. I wish her every success in the future. We should now move as quickly as possible to ensure Theresa May can take over as leader. She has my full support as our next prime minister.
From G live blog.

"Gis a job. I can do that. Gis a job"

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:44 pm

I went down to the crossroads, tried to flag a ride
Down to the crossroads, tried to flag a ride
Nobody seemed to know me, everybody passed me by

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:49 pm

5m ago 12:42

Nigel Farage, the outgoing Ukip leader, has said he is disappointed by Andrea Leadsom’s withdrawal.
(Politics Live, Guardian)

Quel dommage, Nigel Farage.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:50 pm

refitman wrote:I assume Cameron will interject soon, about May not having a mandate?

According to the Guardian, there were supposed to be two candidates for Tory members to choose from.

"This time, however, it will be different. Tory MPs will draw up a shortlist of two,
and then party members will have the final say, installing a new leader straight
to No 10. It's an historic first, and will trigger calls for an early election."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... pean-union" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I guess that's not how it's going to work.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:54 pm

What are the chances of a new cabinet sans Osborne ?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 12:57 pm

Right. Now Labour knows who it's up against. I shall be interested to learn what Jeremy Corbyn has to say. If anything.

Edited to add -

And the rest of the Parliamentary Party, for that matter.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:00 pm

June 30th Louise Mensch

It's not going to be Theresa May, there is no chance.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:02 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:What are the chances of a new cabinet sans Osborne ?

Theresa May's Birmingham speech didn't seem to hold out much hope for him, Chancellor-wise at least, I thought. It will be interesting - if that's the right word.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:07 pm

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:10 pm

From Osborne being the heir apparent a couple of years ago, he's dropped right down the ranks and will no doubt disappear from sight completely soon ... I wonder why?

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:20 pm

PorFavor wrote:

5m ago 12:42

Nigel Farage, the outgoing Ukip leader, has said he is disappointed by Andrea Leadsom’s withdrawal.
(Politics Live, Guardian)
Quel dommage, Nigel Farage.

Fromage dur, Monsieur.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:20 pm

ohsocynical wrote:From Osborne being the heir apparent a couple of years ago, he's dropped right down the ranks and will no doubt disappear from sight completely soon ... I wonder why?

Apparently he's in\on the way to New York today (BBC News).

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:27 pm

Will the Tories try to overturn the FTPA and go for a snap GE now?

Pros and cons please

Pros

1. Labour is in complete and catastrophic disarray. The leadership problems are well documented, but we now have a situation where 4/5 MPs have voted that they have no confidence in him and so cannot convincingly campaign for him to be PM. Annihilation for Labour in any campaign awaits.

2. The Tories are (relatively) united. the EU issue is more or less settled for them.

3. Ukip is weak. With no leader and no cause, they are in a feeble position

4. Lib Dems while expected to recover somewhat (especially in the south west) are weakly led, and at a low base.

5. It will remove any doubts over may's mandate.

6. May will be a fresh choice, leaders usually enjoy a temporary bounce when new.

Cons

1. they have nearly 4 years left to go.

2. Repealing the FTPA is a pain.

3. Events. Any election can give rise to problems.

4. There is no path by which Labour gets any better. It will be in just as much chaos in 2 years regardless of what happens in the leadership election.

5. Probably that Corbyn is returned as labour leader leading to ever more fun packed years of division and disorder for labour, which may be forestalled if labour loses an election.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:30 pm

Ah but that was different. probably.

But would Labour want a GE right now?

May might think that it's a way of securing a larger majority and a government until 2021.

Given that there needs a 2/3rds majority on a vote of no confidence, we could have the peculiar situation that Tories would vote for it with Labour voting against.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:34 pm

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:36 pm

HindleA wrote:June 30th Louise Mensch

It's not going to be Theresa May, there is no chance.

intensely frightened for ten seconds
it seemed longer

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:37 pm

it's like chess
Tories in check

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:38 pm

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 10m10 minutes ago
Here we go. Jon Trickett, Shad Communities Sec statement. Corbyn backers want snap elxn asap. Will his critics?

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:49 pm

May has said there will not be an early GE. For whatever that is worth.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:52 pm

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:53 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:May has said there will not be an early GE. For whatever that is worth.

In which case, and if Cameron really is taking PMQs on Wednesday for the last time, someone should quote his words about Brown that I posted above back at him...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 1:59 pm

John Twelvetrees Retweeted
David K Smith ‏@professor_dave 1h1 hour ago

Seriously, if none of #VoteLeave actually want to run the country, can we perhaps now all agree that it was not the wisest decision?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:01 pm

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:03 pm

aflame with wisdom ‏@PeakCommunism 5h5 hours ago

Kezia Dugdale on why Cobyn isn't cut out to be PM: “He’s deeply driven by his principles and wanting to do the right thing.” Astonishing.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:07 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 10m10 minutes ago
Here we go. Jon Trickett, Shad Communities Sec statement. Corbyn backers want snap elxn asap. Will his critics?

cJA edit

Absolutely. GE now.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:12 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 10m10 minutes ago
Here we go. Jon Trickett, Shad Communities Sec statement. Corbyn backers want snap elxn asap. Will his critics?

cJA edit
Absolutely. GE now.

I agree. Even though it would be an absolute f***ing disaster for everybody involved, including the country, it would at least create a single way forward, and we would know where we stand. Up to our necks in sh*t, admittedly, but there would no longer be this terrible sense of drift in a thousand directions, each of them bad. Sometimes, you just need to pick a direction, good or bad, in order to have a direction in which to move.

Of course, it could all just make things worse...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:13 pm

The Int'l Spectator ‏@intlspectator 11m11 minutes ago
British Pound value. (US Dollar)

July, 2014: $1.71
July, 2015: $1.55

Now: $1.29

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:14 pm

mbc1955 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 10m10 minutes ago
Here we go. Jon Trickett, Shad Communities Sec statement. Corbyn backers want snap elxn asap. Will his critics?

cJA edit
Absolutely. GE now.
I agree. Even though it would be an absolute f***ing disaster for everybody involved, including the country, it would at least create a single way forward, and we would know where we stand. Up to our necks in sh*t, admittedly, but there would no longer be this terrible sense of drift in a thousand directions, each of them bad. Sometimes, you just need to pick a direction, good or bad, in order to have a direction in which to move.

Of course, it could all just make things worse...

No GE now is inappropriate.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:16 pm

Tim Adams
‏@TimAdamsWrites
No Brexit leader has managed more than a week of scrutiny

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:17 pm

Wherever we're going, here is a bad place to start, so let's go to somewhere else to begin.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:18 pm

So May was for Remain. Most Tory MPs were for Leave, but all the Leave contenders have done a runner. I wonder how that's going to play out?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:19 pm

mbc1955 wrote:Wherever we're going, here is a bad place to start, so let's go to somewhere else to begin.

Yes. Agree completely.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:20 pm

Current Tory government have lost their mandate. Dave ran off without fulfilling his duties. Leave Tories ran off petrified of what they campaigned to achieve and refused to clean up their mess. A new Tory PM has been chosen without the slightest pretence of a democratically accountable selection by 150,000 Tory members. GE now.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:22 pm

Meanwhile

Debbie Abrahams ‏@Debbie_abrahams · 5m5 minutes ago

#DWPQuestions starting at 2.30pm, you can watch on: http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/be ... f66aff8eaa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:23 pm

Jim WatersonVerified account
‏@jimwaterson

Angela Eagle calls on the BBC and then calls on Robert Peston to ask a question at her leadership launch event but they've all legged it.

Bloody hell. We're going to hell in a handbasket.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:25 pm

Actually one good thing is that the bind that the Tories find themselves in now of their own making i.e. with Cameron resigning; will make the decision to have a Fixed Term Parliament without a clause for such an eventuality a really poor one.

Well done Dave - another masterstroke.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ry/SN06111

Early elections can be held only:

if a motion for an early general election is agreed either by at least two-thirds of the whole House or without division; or
if a motion of no confidence is passed and no alternative government is confirmed by the Commons within 14 days.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:29 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Actually one good thing is that the bind that the Tories find themselves in now of their own making i.e. with Cameron resigning; will make the decision to have a Fixed Term Parliament without a clause for such an eventuality a really poor one.

Well done Dave - another masterstroke.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ry/SN06111

Early elections can be held only:

if a motion for an early general election is agreed either by at least two-thirds of the whole House or without division; or
if a motion of no confidence is passed and no alternative government is confirmed by the Commons within 14 days.

Indeed Roger. One by one, Dave's tactical, unprincipled manoeuvres will come back to haunt the Tories and the rest of us too probably.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:39 pm

Kieran Hurley
‏@kieran_hurley

Theresa May genuinely just won a leadership election by standing still and letting everyone else fall on the sword of their own ineptitude.

Yes, yes she did - and without having to say a single word about her policies.

Thank goodness we have rid ourselves of the tyrannical EU and got our country back!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:43 pm

Pinned Tweet
Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 3h3 hours ago

As @andrealeadsom quits the race after the smear campaign I thank her for delivering #Brexit like a true leader. What an achievement!

On a level of wrongness rarely seen.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Mon 11 Jul, 2016 2:45 pm

Ephie goes to bed with assorted gallstone-bashing pills for an hour and just look what happens!

Loathsome decides to disappear, probably because she was planning to anyway and was only standing so the party could lop Boris/whoever then Gove/whoever off the list, and the Queen of the May gets hr coronation as planned all along.

The Eagle landed (at last) and nobody noticed because at exactly the same time as she finally announced what she'd been pre-announcing for ever, Loathsome drops the stun grenade and the hacks scuttle off to report on that instead.

I turn my back for five minutes and the political landscape has changed again.

The Prime Minister is guilty of dereliction of duty, and is doing a runner. The Brexiters got what they wanted and they're doing a runner too.
The non-candidate for PM has now also buggered off, and left behind the only remaining candidate who has offered no policies whatsoever.

The PLP have put up their stalking horse and nobody was there to hear what she had to say; the "unity" she's demanding now is a long way away from the disunity she and her pals have created; and she now has the brass neck to claim she brings people together. FFS.

I can feel my inner MacEnroe screeching YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!!!!!

We need a General Election. Right now.