TechnicalEphemera wrote:ohsocynical wrote:
Total bollocks. What does it matter he fought a byelection in 2006. You might as well call Blair a communist for getting elected on Labours 1983 manifesto.
If the best the far left can manage is intimidation and conspiracy stories how do they expect to be taken seriously.
Not sure UK (soon to be DUK) is in a position to call anyone else "irrational".gilsey wrote:David Davis still in la la land.Quoted from AS blog, article in the Sun apparently but I'm not going there.Davis said the government’s “first order of business” will be to begin negotiations with the aim of striking trade deals with non-EU countries such as the United States and China within two years. This would give Britain a free trade area “almost twice the size of the EU” before the negotiation with the European bloc is complete, he said.
Davis insisted Britain would be able to put in place new trade agreements to come into force at the point of exit from the EU having been fully negotiated beforehand.He really hasn't a clue.Davis said Article 50 should not be triggered immediately in case EU countries act “irrationally” and refuse tariff-free access to the European single market because the UK will not compromise on ending free movement so it can control immigration.
Last year I visited Nottingham on one of my regular regional visits. As with today’s, these visits are crucial for helping the Bank of England make sense of the economy. My first stop was a lunch for local business people. There, I spoke about the recovery in the UK economy over the past three years, the dramatic improvement in the jobs market and the high degrees of confidence among companies and consumers. This met with several knowing nods, a few furrowed brows and some gently probing questions. Overall it seemed we were all on the same economic page, if not always on the same paragraph or line.
My next visit was to a community centre in Nottingham with half a dozen local charities and community groups. This was something of a new departure for me. Typically, the Bank’s regional visits have tended to focus on company contacts in the public and private sectors. I hoped speaking to this different group of organisations, drawn largely from the voluntary sector, might provide me with a different perspective on the fortunes of the economy, the jobs markets and degrees of confidence in the recovery. It did not disappoint.
I began by speaking about the UK’s economic recovery. I never got as far as the improvement in the jobs market or surging confidence. I was stopped in my tracks by a forest of furrowed brows and a phalanx of probing questions, not all of them gentle. “What exactly do you mean by recovery?” one asked. “My charity is dealing with 50% more homeless people than three years ago.” Every other charity in the room had similar stories to tell. Whether it was food banks, mental health problems or drug addiction, all of the numbers were up. The language of “recovery” simply did not fit their facts.
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People from every country on the planet live in London, and one Magnum photographer is on a mission: to capture them all. How do his subjects feel about Brexit and belonging?
Are you a Londoner and willing to be photographed for this project? Chris Steele-Perkins has so far photographed families of 120 nationalities living in London, and has 73 to go to include every nation recognised by the UN. Go to gu.com/witness to check those still missing: send a snap and tell us why you would like to take part.
Very sensible. I doubt it'll happen though. People are becoming afraid to voice how they really feel which is playing into the hands of the rebels. It comes to something when photos of cuddly animals are posted on a party webpage because 'tempers are getting too hot' when it's actually a very polite restrained webpage.tinybgoat wrote: http://www.leftfutures.org/2010/06/want ... ommission/
Labour cannot move on until the party as a whole faces up to what the architects and supporters of “New Labour” felt they had to do to ensure their project was successful. It cannot move on until democracy and accountability are restored, and party members are returned powers to make policy and select candidates. The Gerrymandering of the party conference, the obsession with spin over substance, the abuse of those – myself included – who have been black-listed and blocked from standing as candidates, all of this has to go before we can consider “New Labour” in the past sense.
That is good, thanks.thatchersorphan wrote:Post-Brexit, Faragenstein’s Monster is running amok http://www.refractory-online.com/post-b ... s-monster/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There is a common refrain that metropolitan elites, which seems to just mean anyone who lives in London and prefers their news to be based on facts, are “out of touch”. But look at the facts and it is clear it is the Brexiters who are out of touch, not just with the country but with reality.
It may also be time for Labour to face facts. The lost heartlands may never be won back. The disenfranchised blue collar workers and forgotten post-industrial communities may never be persuaded by Labour in the 21st century. Making a compromise on immigration, which is not the cause of problems in these communities, would be a cowardly and self-defeating way out. If these voters can’t be won back within the vague realms of what the Labour Party is supposed to be about, why not make a decisive tilt towards support for immigration, and focus on winning over and engaging the youth vote. These voters are the future and Labour needs to be aligned to them.
Perhaps the paradox here is that while a passionate defence of immigration is needed, we also need to shift the discussion away from immigration. At a macro level, it is not a substantive issue for the country.
Well it's a 100 fewer future experts - so Gove and Farage et al will be pleased.http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 39046.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Around 100 EU students have reportedly cancelled their places at Aberystwyth University in Wales amid concerns of the impact of Brexit.
You could take the most ridiculous scenario and outlandish rulings, and suddenly, now, nothing would surprise me.yahyah wrote:Let's hope there is proper scrutiny. The atmosphere at the moment makes one wonder what might happen to votes.
Labour are useless, and as a start the Oxbridge careerists need to be largely replaced by real people with different types of experience of being alive.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 38646.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Since the EU referendum the Lib Dems have made headlines by taking an unambiguously pro-EU stance and pledging to bring Britain back into the bloc if elected to government.
With a pool of 48 per cent of voters clearly supportive of staying in the bloc, Tim Farron’s party appear to be picking up some converts.
That's enough on how May got 'elected'. What are your thoughts on Labour?HindleA wrote:I think the plan is mutual McCarthyism,presumably until there is only one person left who is automatically made leader,a bit extreme granted.Of course that is on the assumption they will vote for themselves,after deciding if it will be a secret ballot or not.
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I know, I've read the same histories.yahyah wrote:None of this should be a surprise. The book I read about Labour discipline procedures and their history was littered with stories of mayhem.
Not always the left causing trouble either. Quite a few right wingers ran their little fiefdoms according to their rules.
I don't think disallowing possible political representatives on the basis of their having gone to either Oxford or Cambridge is fair.tinyclanger2 wrote:Labour are useless, and as a start the Oxbridge careerists need to be largely replaced by real people with different types of experience of being alive.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 38646.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Since the EU referendum the Lib Dems have made headlines by taking an unambiguously pro-EU stance and pledging to bring Britain back into the bloc if elected to government.
With a pool of 48 per cent of voters clearly supportive of staying in the bloc, Tim Farron’s party appear to be picking up some converts.
yahyah wrote:Another who claims to have been at the Brighton meeting.
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Maybe lie detectors are needed to establish the truth ?
Start a new party, A.HindleA wrote:I think the plan is mutual McCarthyism,presumably until there is only one person left who is automatically made leader,a bit extreme granted.Of course that is on the assumption they will vote for themselves,after deciding if it will be a secret ballot or not.
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You askin'?ephemerid wrote:Start a new party, A.HindleA wrote:I think the plan is mutual McCarthyism,presumably until there is only one person left who is automatically made leader,a bit extreme granted.Of course that is on the assumption they will vote for themselves,after deciding if it will be a secret ballot or not.
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Or let's just have a party while they all scrabble around doing whatever.
You could wear that nice Roland Mouret gold cape I told you about. And put some kittens on your feet.
No champers for me, mind; but a nice cup of builders' tea would be lovely.
You dancin'?
HindleA wrote:No I am fucked off as the most fucked off person could ever be and then some,so I'm not putting some posh fucking gear on I am afraid,and I cannot dance,the last time somebody joined me thinking I was,I was having a seizure,so screw that.Apologies for language but if you are going to swear you might as well make use of the opportunity.
Said with what remains of the last vestiges of love I can reasonably muster.
This is Bollox 4 360 .Nicam Stereo .4D
I hope you enjoy the production,now piss off.
Mr.Happy.
I don't think the massive overrepresentation of 0.5% of the population in our decision-making positions is "fair" but more to the point it is clearly not (and self-evidently cannot ever be) effective.citizenJA wrote:I don't think disallowing possible political representatives on the basis of their having gone to either Oxford or Cambridge is fair.tinyclanger2 wrote:Labour are useless, and as a start the Oxbridge careerists need to be largely replaced by real people with different types of experience of being alive.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 38646.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Since the EU referendum the Lib Dems have made headlines by taking an unambiguously pro-EU stance and pledging to bring Britain back into the bloc if elected to government.
With a pool of 48 per cent of voters clearly supportive of staying in the bloc, Tim Farron’s party appear to be picking up some converts.
To be clear - am not suggesting to switch to voting LibDem - more to point out that they are seizing an opportunity rather than just being whatever the hell it is Labour are being. It's not enough just to be right.RobertSnozers wrote:Do we really need reminding of all the BS unleashed on us by the LibDems in coalition?tinyclanger2 wrote:Labour are useless, and as a start the Oxbridge careerists need to be largely replaced by real people with different types of experience of being alive.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 38646.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Since the EU referendum the Lib Dems have made headlines by taking an unambiguously pro-EU stance and pledging to bring Britain back into the bloc if elected to government.
With a pool of 48 per cent of voters clearly supportive of staying in the bloc, Tim Farron’s party appear to be picking up some converts.
I can't believe people are so easily won over by the old LibDem tactic of promising stuff they'll never have to carry out.
I agree with you - a small coterie of Oxford or Cambridge graduates making up a disproportional number of MPs isn't good.tinyclanger2 wrote:I don't think the massive overrepresentation of 0.5% of the population in our decision-making positions is "fair" but more to the point it is clearly not (and self-evidently cannot ever be) effective.citizenJA wrote:I don't think disallowing possible political representatives on the basis of their having gone to either Oxford or Cambridge is fair.tinyclanger2 wrote: Labour are useless, and as a start the Oxbridge careerists need to be largely replaced by real people with different types of experience of being alive.
(cJA edit)tinyclanger2 wrote:It's not enough just to be right.
ephemerid wrote:HindleA wrote:No I am fucked off as the most fucked off person could ever be and then some,so I'm not putting some posh fucking gear on I am afraid,and I cannot dance,the last time somebody joined me thinking I was,I was having a seizure,so screw that.Apologies for language but if you are going to swear you might as well make use of the opportunity.
Said with what remains of the last vestiges of love I can reasonably muster.
This is Bollox 4 360 .Nicam Stereo .4D
I hope you enjoy the production,now piss off.
Mr.Happy.
I was askin'.
But now that I think about it, I doubt my joints could stand the pirouettes.
Let's just have a nice cup of tea, then.
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So (admittedly by extrapolation) at least 24% of British adults voted for Leave even though they thought our politicians wouldn't be able to do a good job of pulling it off.Nearly 72 per cent of British adults do not trust their politicians do a good job in the Brexit negotiations - and 52 per cent believe the civil servants can’t be trusted either.
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I voted Remain for that very reason. Wasn't wrong either...tinyclanger2 wrote:So (admittedly by extrapolation) at least 24% of British adults voted for Leave even though they thought our politicians wouldn't be able to do a good job of pulling it off.Nearly 72 per cent of British adults do not trust their politicians do a good job in the Brexit negotiations - and 52 per cent believe the civil servants can’t be trusted either.
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Fab.
Yes, they are. It is only the party as an organisation that is suspended, not the rights of individual members.ohsocynical wrote:Genuine ask. If the NEC suspends a Constituency party, are the constituency's members allowed [if they qualify] to vote for leader?
I just wondered because if they aren't, B & H Labour party has 6,000 members. That's a lot of potential votes to lose....
Yet the easily disprovable lies by the "moderate" wing of the Labour party are OK?TechnicalEphemera wrote:ohsocynical wrote:
Total bollocks. What does it matter he fought a byelection in 2006. You might as well call Blair a communist for getting elected on Labours 1983 manifesto.
If the best the far left can manage is intimidation and conspiracy stories how do they expect to be taken seriously.
HindleA wrote:Yes,doesn't effect votes,or shouldn't ,or more precisely "it's a changing situation"
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Just heard an explosion. Security ejecting us from British embassy bar in Ankara. No internet after this #turkey
Check #ankara seem it could be a military take over - no peace in our times
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Freeland said Canada had secured a “gold standard” deal with the EU. However, she made clear that while it had secured “ambitious services agreements”, it would not enjoy the same level of “passporting” that the UK currently has as a member state – a status that enables banks and financial services businesses to trade freely.
The Canadian deal also does not offer the same level of freedom of movement for professionals as that within EU member states. While the control of borders and worker movement is something Brexiters have argued for, Freeland said: “Canada’s position is to be ambitious in mobility. We think that facilitates trade.”
