Monday 22nd August 2016

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:20 pm

I've tried swallowing the computer - but no go there, I'm afraid. I'm now about to set fire to it.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:25 pm

I think the ballots are being sent out in batches. When the CLP ballots were being sent out, I didn't get mine for a couple of days after others had got theirs.

Don't think this yougov study has been posted yet:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/08/22/la ... st-voters/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:34 pm

Oh good grief...this is an MP!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:39 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh good grief...this is an MP!

Rough estimate - how many people do you think she's managed to upset with that?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:40 pm

PorFavor wrote: Rough estimate - how many people do you think she's managed to upset with that?

If it went globally viral - a few hundred million I'd say.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:45 pm

For tinyb, some help with your shortlist:

1. Not this one.
2. Nor this one.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:48 pm

PS. That was the polite version.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:50 pm

Today I discover that not only is Jeremy Corbyn an anti-Semitic, mysogynist but also a racist. I kid you not.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:53 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
PorFavor wrote: Rough estimate - how many people do you think she's managed to upset with that?
If it went globally viral - a few hundred million I'd say.

Ah apparently it was done as a pisstake by Guido Fawkes as an answer to the chart which showed the number of medals won by the EU.

But then at least the EU is actually a thing...

But why on earth would an MP use it in a tweet?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 6:55 pm

citizenJA wrote:Politics, democracy, representation, political parties - it's difficult work - cooperating, negotiating, decision-making, effectively administering policies and consistent communication with all - does anyone know of any largely successful time other than during war and re-building? I'm not advocating war. War focuses' everyone's attention, resources and goals. Setting down fossil fuels and transitioning to sustainable energy production is a good global project. Who's with me?

No one with me then. Hmmmm...

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:05 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh good grief...this is an MP!

My MP. Utterly useless needless to say.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:07 pm

yahyah wrote:John Rentoul, Dan Hodges, crap British weather, BBC political reporting, Murdoch, Nigel Farage, Neil Hamilton.

Contrary Mary that I am, I like the crap British weather. Neither too hot nor too cold, not too wet nor too dry (mostly). It's positively blissful compared to places that have extremes of weather.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:10 pm

citizenJA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Setting down fossil fuels and transitioning to sustainable energy production is a good global project. Who's with me?
No one with me then. Hmmmm...

I'm Spartacus.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:21 pm

Well (as DAG would say).

Secret documents reveal official concerns over 'seven-day NHS' plans

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -nhs-plans

The health service has too few staff and too little money to deliver the government’s promised “truly seven-day NHS” on time and patients may not notice any difference even if it happens, leaked Department of Health documents reveal.

Confidential internal DoH papers drawn up for Jeremy Hunt and other ministers in late July show that senior civil servants trying to deliver what was a totemic Conservative pledge in last year’s general election have uncovered 13 major “risks” to it.

While Hunt has been insisting that the NHS reorganise around seven-day working, the documents show civil servants listing a string of dangers in implementing the plan – as summarised by a secret “risk register” of the controversial proposal that has prompted a bitter industrial dispute with junior doctors.

The biggest danger, the officials said, is “workforce overload” – a lack of available GPs, hospital consultants and other health professionals “meaning the full service cannot be delivered”, they say in documents that have been obtained by the Guardian and Channel 4 News.

There can't be anyone - apart from the usual suspects of course -that is remotely surprised at this surely?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:22 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Setting down fossil fuels and transitioning to sustainable energy production is a good global project. Who's with me?
No one with me then. Hmmmm...
I'm Spartacus.

I know.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:24 pm

Oh, and this bit is wonderful...

He also seized on the DoH’s admission in the documents that it still has not worked out what Number 10’s objectives were. In pushing ahead with implementing the plan, Porter said it “only goes to show that this was nothing more than a headline-grabbing soundbite set to win votes rather than improve care for patients”.

Shortly after the May 2015 election, David Cameron, the then prime minister, made a speech in which he referred on 18 separate occasions to his “plan” for a seven-day NHS. Fourteen months later, the BMA added, that the documents show that there was still a painful lack of detail.

Pretty much sums him up.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:26 pm

citizenJA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Politics, democracy, representation, political parties - it's difficult work - cooperating, negotiating, decision-making, effectively administering policies and consistent communication with all - does anyone know of any largely successful time other than during war and re-building? I'm not advocating war. War focuses' everyone's attention, resources and goals. Setting down fossil fuels and transitioning to sustainable energy production is a good global project. Who's with me?
No one with me then. Hmmmm...

I'm with you CJA

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:31 pm

... never gonna let you down

...

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:33 pm

citizenJA wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:I'm Spartacus.
I know.

Damn. Id'd as Kirk Douglas straight away. It's the bum chin, isn't it.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:39 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh, and this bit is wonderful...

He also seized on the DoH’s admission in the documents that it still has not worked out what Number 10’s objectives were. In pushing ahead with implementing the plan, Porter said it “only goes to show that this was nothing more than a headline-grabbing soundbite set to win votes rather than improve care for patients”.

Shortly after the May 2015 election, David Cameron, the then prime minister, made a speech in which he referred on 18 separate occasions to his “plan” for a seven-day NHS. Fourteen months later, the BMA added, that the documents show that there was still a painful lack of detail.

Pretty much sums him up.

For NHS, think Brexit.

PS. Rowson's cartoon today is particularly good. David Davis... superb

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:45 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote: ... never gonna let you down

...

Never gonna run around and desert you

(Fight fire with fire . . . )

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:57 pm

Brexit X-men: how the prime minister’s key negotiators are coping

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By now you might imagine that some progress would have been made over quitting the EU.
But ministers face a steep learning curve

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... sing-start" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I didn't think progress would be made.
I've not had to change my mind.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 7:59 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote: ... never gonna let you down

...
Never gonna run around and desert you

(Fight fire with fire . . . )

In best Kirk Douglas acting fashion, while falling to knees and lifting head and arms to the skies:

Oh God, what have I DOOONNEE!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:03 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote: ... never gonna let you down

...
Never gonna run around and desert you

(Fight fire with fire . . . )
In best Kirk Douglas acting fashion, while falling to knees and lifting head and arms to the skies:

Oh God, what have I DOOONNEE!

tinyclanger2 started it . . .

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:07 pm

I did.

(olympic medallist level of pride emoticon)

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:08 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Ah apparently it was done as a pisstake by Guido Fawkes as an answer to the chart which showed the number of medals won by the EU.

But then at least the EU is actually a thing...

But why on earth would an MP use it in a tweet?

The Daily Express has a similar front page.

It seems voting Brexit inspires a boom in gold medals, therefore the UK's economy will likewise boom (unless you're buying anything imported, like food, electronics, raw materials..... but they don't mention that).

Or something.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:09 pm

As a trainee Olympian I know for a fact that all of this year's medalists were shite up until Brexit and then suddenly they all got really good.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:17 pm

In best Kirk Douglas acting fashion, while falling to knees and lifting head and arms to the skies:

Oh God, what haven't I DOOONNEE!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:26 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:In best Kirk Douglas acting fashion, while falling to knees and lifting head and arms to the skies:

Oh God, what haven't I DOOONNEE!

If it's any help, I had to look up the lyrics. They didn't come naturally to me.

Edited to add -

Unlike tinyclanger2, I'll wager. I know the signs . . .

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:32 pm

... you know the rules and so do I ...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:36 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote: ... you know the rules and so do I ...

Indeed I do. You do not talk about Nick Astley.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:38 pm

Or even Rick.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:39 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Or even Rick.

Ha! Said I wasn't an expert. Whereas you, apparently . . .

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:40 pm

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:42 pm

WTFeckity feck ?

Never been arsed about Tom. Blenkinsop , I haven't ever tweeted to or about him in any shape or form . But it seems i am off his Christmas card list.

How he managed to block some thousands of people, some who have never heard of him in a single afternoon is beyond me, but he has.

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JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:57 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote: ... you know the rules and so do I ...
Indeed I do. You do not talk about Nick Astley.

A tiny internet meme died because of this comment. Luckily, it gave birth to another one: Rick Astley's dastardly doppelgänger Nick. He can't dance but he can chew gum. And he's all outta gum.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:58 pm

Secret documents reveal official concerns over 'seven-day NHS' plans

Internal Department of Health papers drawn up for ministers detail string of dangers in implementing plan

The health service has too few staff and too little money to deliver the government’s promised “truly seven-day NHS” on time and patients may not notice any difference even if it happens, leaked Department of Health documents reveal (Guardian)

I don't think that I can withstand the shock.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -nhs-plans

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 8:58 pm

More on the Fox takeover of the Government, this from an interview in USA
DISGRACED LIAM FOX BRAGGED HE WAS ‘TAKING OVER’ PARTS OF MOD AND THE FOREIGN OFFICE FROM OTHERS

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/08/ ... om-others/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 9:02 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote: ... you know the rules and so do I ...
Indeed I do. You do not talk about Nick Astley.
A tiny internet meme died because of this comment. Luckily, it gave birth to another one: Rick Astley's dastardly doppelgänger Nick. He can't dance but he can chew gum. And he's all outta gum.

Oh no it hasn't.
(

)...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 9:09 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
PorFavor wrote: Indeed I do. You do not talk about Nick Astley.
A tiny internet meme died because of this comment. Luckily, it gave birth to another one: Rick Astley's dastardly doppelgänger Nick. He can't dance but he can chew gum. And he's all outta gum.
Oh no it hasn't.
( )...

I don't think you need any encouragement - but just in case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEs6e0FdwU

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 9:11 pm

Be forewarned: any more flouncing and I deploy the below...

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 9:15 pm

... I sure hope I can turn this off now.

Edit: phew.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 9:46 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:For tinyb, some help with your shortlist:

1. Not this one.
2. Nor this one.

I'm confused,
There was a little Rick Astley, showing
first time I saw the message & now he's gone.
I've never forgiven him for the Nat King Cole cover version (When I fall in love)
So I definitely won't be voting for him.
Even it makes anyone hate me.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 9:49 pm

Viddy this with thy glazzies, droogs. Prestoopnik malchik plennies of the 60s were vredded with vellocet by skitebirds to stop their tolchocking ways.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 9:56 pm

tinybgoat wrote:I've never forgiven him for the Nat King Cole cover version (When I fall in love)

It was all Jeremy Corbyn's fault.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 10:08 pm

Well informed and accurate

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... wins-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 10:34 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Well informed and accurate

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... wins-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Check the Smith thread - I put an artical : Labour leadership: Could Corbyn lose? with a link, worth a read

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 10:35 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 10:41 pm

Well, what have I been saying about Smith's prospects even if you do believe what he's saying? Be extremely worried about this - the knives are already drawn before he's even stepped onto the battlefield:

In private, Labour MPs are increasingly critical of Owen Smith’s campaign. The former shadow work and pensions secretary, who entered parliament in 2010, was chosen as a “clean skin”, untainted by the Blair years and the Iraq War. But the Welshman, who has worked as a lobbyist for Pfizer, has struggled to reconcile his past positions, such as support for private-sector involvement in the National Health Service, with his left-wing, Corbyn-style policy platform: railway renationalisation, a ban on zero-hour contracts, a full “living wage” and a wealth tax on the top 1 per cent of earners.

“The view was that you needed to do a soft-left candidacy to see if that would work,” a former shadow cabinet minister said. “But Smith’s message appears to be: ‘I’m the same as him but I’m more competent ; I look better in a suit.’ Or it’s a warmed-up Ed Milibandism, which was rejected by the voters.”

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 22 Aug, 2016 10:45 pm

Scottish Government will block Human Rights Act repeal for the whole UK, says Nicola Sturgeon
The devolved administration says its consent is necessary for repeal

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 14015.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;