Now that's something we can all agree on today.JonnyT1234 wrote:Correction. Running a completely shit, overcharging privatised rail service.
Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Must admit the Virgin trains I've been on have been clean & on time (except one horrid trip) but totally agree on the "overcharging privatised rail service." Prices are extortionate.JonnyT1234 wrote:Correction. Running a completely shit, overcharging privatised rail service.
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Is this the woman the Guardian writer has quoted ?
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regular people, consistent people, balanced people, everyday people, proper people, routine people, present-day people, usual people, classic people, general people,PorFavor wrote:It's a minefield, though, isn't it? If they just say "people" there's bound to be somebody out there who will say (or, more likely, "Tweet") "Oh, so speaking up for everybody - including those on more than £200,000 pa salaries?"howsillyofme1 wrote:I think 'ordinary' people is an appalling phrase...does that imply he and others are extraordinarypk1 wrote: Hoorah, 'ordinary people' instead of the usual 'working people' that effectively excludes people like me who are unable to work ! How refreshing.
Why can they never say just people!
Edited to add an "l"
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Likewise as its Corbyn in the limelight, Virgin's press operation is of course a paragon of impartiality & truth to many people, and if it were Smith in the limelight they would be lying scumbags.yahyah wrote:AngryAsWell wrote:Which is why its odd he walked passed empty unreserved seats. Why not just sit down there where there were (from the photo above) enough seats for him and his companions.JonnyT1234 wrote:Coach H is non-reservable on a Virgin Train, which is why no reservation tickets are visible. Fwiw.
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I suspect this is one of those things were people will believe what they want to believe.
If it were Smith in the limelight, Virgin's press operation would of course be a paragon of impartiality and truth.
In this case I think Corbyn is being pilloried without all of the information being published.
As they say, a lie can be half way around the world before truth has its boots on
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Yes, ordinary people.citizenJA wrote:regular people, consistent people, balanced people, everyday people, proper people, routine people, present-day people, usual people, classic people, general people,PorFavor wrote:It's a minefield, though, isn't it? If they just say "people" there's bound to be somebody out there who will say (or, more likely, "Tweet") "Oh, so speaking up for everybody - including those on more than £200,000 pa salaries?"howsillyofme1 wrote: I think 'ordinary' people is an appalling phrase...does that imply he and others are extraordinary
Why can they never say just people!
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The phrase "Ordinary people" can be misconstrued. During the Tory leadership elections, Leadsome tried to imply she was ordinary, and May was not, because she had children.pk1 wrote:Yes, ordinary people.citizenJA wrote:regular people, consistent people, balanced people, everyday people, proper people, routine people, present-day people, usual people, classic people, general people,PorFavor wrote: It's a minefield, though, isn't it? If they just say "people" there's bound to be somebody out there who will say (or, more likely, "Tweet") "Oh, so speaking up for everybody - including those on more than £200,000 pa salaries?"
Edited to add an "l"
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To some people "ordinary people" means non-LGBT people. To others, it means non-disabled people
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I'm fine with that.pk1 wrote:Yes, ordinary people.citizenJA wrote: regular people, consistent people, balanced people, everyday people, proper people, routine people, present-day people, usual people, classic people, general people,
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Hopefully this will workyahyah wrote:JonnyT1234 wrote:Coach H is non-reservable on a Virgin Train, which is why no reservation tickets are visible. Fwiw.
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So who is allowed to sit in those seats then ?
The link doesn't work, am not being lazy, that's why I'm asking. If they are nonreservable then they can be used surely ?
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Don't know, do you?yahyah wrote:Is this the woman the Guardian writer has quoted ?
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All I know is that Peter Walker (the Guardian writer, not the ex Thatcher minister) has asked Virgin to release the CCTV footage from the corridors. Until that's done, people are making suppositions based on inadequate data.
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A game I usually had to play was to politely request the person sitting in my reserved accompanying seat if they would move,I showed leeway if the journey wasn't long or there were no other seats-there usually was-observing reserved or not situations was shall we say variable,quite often nearly everybody was in the wrong seat and just moved if requested in a sort of semi musical chairs party game.One of the reasons where now given the choice I sit on flip seat in between or on bag,that and in readiness to escape run and leap barriers,knock over people etc to find a place of safety and nicotine replacement.
#usually was because if possible a non busy (relatively) train time chosen.
#usually was because if possible a non busy (relatively) train time chosen.
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Theory 1/
I reckon he wanted a table seat, possibly for filming,
probably the tables in coach H were taken, or possibly near a smelly toilet (both normal occurrences), so Corbyn & party carried on through train. Once they'd found no suitable seats available, they would have then found that previously vacant seats were also taken at which point they chose to sign on the floor.
Alternatively it may have been a stunt, but that would imply a degree of stupidity, previously not exhibited.
Theory 2/
Jeremy Corbyn did it(obviously), in the Dining Car with the Lead piping.
I reckon he wanted a table seat, possibly for filming,
probably the tables in coach H were taken, or possibly near a smelly toilet (both normal occurrences), so Corbyn & party carried on through train. Once they'd found no suitable seats available, they would have then found that previously vacant seats were also taken at which point they chose to sign on the floor.
Alternatively it may have been a stunt, but that would imply a degree of stupidity, previously not exhibited.
Theory 2/
Jeremy Corbyn did it(obviously), in the Dining Car with the Lead piping.
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I am still in shock George Osborne isn't a qualified brick layer.
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I don't like Virgin, me
Costs too much, too
I don't treat the employees, self-employed victims, workers bad though - it's not their fault
If I need to get somewhere and it's all there is and that's most of the time, I have to board the thing, you know?Tubular Bells "the first exploitation"
Costs too much, too
I don't treat the employees, self-employed victims, workers bad though - it's not their fault
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I'm in shock George Osborne isn't layered in qualified brick.HindleA wrote:I am still in shock George Osborne isn't a qualified brick layer.
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Tubular Bells playing in the background the whole timetinybgoat wrote:Theory 1/
I reckon he wanted a table seat, possibly for filming,
probably the tables in coach H were taken, or possibly near a smelly toilet (both normal occurrences), so Corbyn & party carried on through train. Once they'd found no suitable seats available, they would have then found that previously vacant seats were also taken at which point they chose to sign on the floor.
Alternatively it may have been a stunt, but that would imply a degree of stupidity, previously not exhibited.
Theory 2/
Jeremy Corbyn did it(obviously), in the Dining Car with the Lead piping.
gave me chills
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Nobody else here will agree with this, but....JonnyT1234 wrote:Correction. Running a completely shit, overcharging privatised rail service.
1. It isn't privatised. Rail was re-nationalised by Prescott in 2002. Network Rail is now part of the UK state in all but formal name (it is for accounting purposes now within).
2. The franchise system set up by Prescott works well. So, Virgin East Coast returns much more to the Treasury under its current franchise deal than did East Coast TOC when the line temporarily was run by the state. The much publicised problems with Southern Rail is the system working, not failing. if you don't operate the line effectively, you'll lose your franchise.
A public owned network with private franchises operating under licence is a nationalised system.
3. Rail prices are too low. State subsidies should be reduced to zero and the network should operate on a commercial basis. Rail travel is environmentally damaging and it is a market distortion to subsidise it (see especially house prices). There is no excuse for subsidising commuters into London who are as a class the richest people in the country. Yes rail travel is less environmentally damaging than some other forms of travel, but only in the same way that burning gas is less bad than burning coal.
Stop the subsidy, distribute the saved expense to the poor. Giving poor people money is much more effective and just than subsidising rail.
4. Corbyn has been caught telling a fib on cctv cameras. Unless there are some more facts we don't yet know, denying it looks a bit daft.
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It's spooky how young Mike Oldfield looks in that photo, hope it's just an old one.citizenJA wrote:Tubular Bells playing in the background the whole timetinybgoat wrote:Theory 1/
I reckon he wanted a table seat, possibly for filming,
probably the tables in coach H were taken, or possibly near a smelly toilet (both normal occurrences), so Corbyn & party carried on through train. Once they'd found no suitable seats available, they would have then found that previously vacant seats were also taken at which point they chose to sign on the floor.
Alternatively it may have been a stunt, but that would imply a degree of stupidity, previously not exhibited.
Theory 2/
Jeremy Corbyn did it(obviously), in the Dining Car with the Lead piping.
gave me chills
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When Tories use the phrase, 'ordinary people' they mean everyone other than them and their 'peers'. When a Labour MP uses the phrase, 'ordinary people' you'd sincerely hope they meant people just like them but that's far from being guaranteed these days.
In this instance, and I say this as an ardent anti-Semitic, misogynist, Trotskyite, Nazi stormtrooping, sandal and the bloodest of blood red sock wearingmoderate social democrat commie scum bag (C) the PLP, 2016, I suspect Smith means people like him and me and everyone else here rather than the great unwashed 'other'.
In this instance, and I say this as an ardent anti-Semitic, misogynist, Trotskyite, Nazi stormtrooping, sandal and the bloodest of blood red sock wearing
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It requires a certain degree of skill to become a good brickie. So...HindleA wrote:I am still in shock George Osborne isn't a qualified brick layer.
Edit: imagine the scenario
Osborne: yes, gaffer, I'll have this wall finished by lunchtime.
Gaffer: good.
Lunchtime
Gaffer: why isn't this wall finished? You said you'd have it done by now.
Osborne: ah, but that was only if I hadn't been left to deal with the mess left by another's labour. I am still in the steady process of cleaning up that mess. It will be done by lunchtime.
Gaffer: but it is already lunchtime.
Osborne: only today. But not yet tomorrow.
Repeat ad nauseum
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Apparently Churchill was quite a dab hand with a trowelJonnyT1234 wrote:It requires a certain degree of skill to become a good brickie. So...HindleA wrote:I am still in shock George Osborne isn't a qualified brick layer.
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1. Network Rail was re-nationalised because Railtrack, the private company set up by Major's government, was an unmitigated disasterSpinningHugo wrote:Nobody else here will agree with this, but....JonnyT1234 wrote:Correction. Running a completely shit, overcharging privatised rail service.
1. It isn't privatised. Rail was re-nationalised by Prescott in 2002. Network Rail is now part of the UK state in all but formal name (it is for accounting purposes now within).
2. The franchise system set up by Prescott works well. So, Virgin East Coast returns much more to the Treasury under its current franchise deal than did East Coast TOC when the line temporarily was run by the state. The much publicised problems with Southern Rail is the system working, not failing. if you don't operate the line effectively, you'll lose your franchise.
A public owned network with private franchises operating under licence is a nationalised system.
3. Rail prices are too low. State subsidies should be reduced to zero and the network should operate on a commercial basis. Rail travel is environmentally damaging and it is a market distortion to subsidise it (see especially house prices). There is no excuse for subsidising commuters into London who are as a class the richest people in the country. Yes rail travel is less environmentally damaging than some other forms of travel, but only in the same way that burning gas is less bad than burning coal.
Stop the subsidy, distribute the saved expense to the poor. Giving poor people money is much more effective and just than subsidising rail.
4. Corbyn has been caught telling a fib on cctv cameras. Unless there are some more facts we don't yet know, denying it looks a bit daft.
2. East Coast Rail had the lowest subsidies of any of the rail franchises when state run. Probably the reason Virgin Trains returns much more to the Treasury under its current franchise deal than did East Coast is that the prices are higher and therefore the tax paid to the Treasury is higher. If the system is working so much better, why are the subsidies paid to the rail operating companies far higher in real terms than those paid to British Rail? Don't tell me its due to massive improvements to services.
3. Rail prices are not too low. Can you imagine the chaos in the major cities if people came to work in cars? How can continental train companies operate much cheaper fares than the UK for comparable services? Maybe its partly because the state owned rail companies in Germany, Italy etc. are using the profits they make from owning British rail franchises to subsidise operations in their own countries. As an aside, why is it OK for the German government to run British rail franchises, but not the UK government?
4. As far as I'm aware the CCTV pictures have not yet been released (surprising, given the speed that Virgin released the stills) so at this stage its impossible to state that Corbyn has been caught telling a fib on camera.
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Traingate eh?
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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DrRogerOThornhill, PhD.RogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
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The Bulldog was a Statesman, he knew how to hold a trowel,
The Bully boys a linesman, and can only fold a towel.
One stood firm against the Nazis, in our darkest hour
The other allegedly goes on all fours, with something that looks like flour.
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One stood firm against the Nazis, in our darkest hour
The other allegedly goes on all fours, with something that looks like flour.
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Congrats!RogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
BTW What's this on Twitter about Leyton Orient being a Maoist outpost?
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Absolutely. I voted for the government that replaced Major's.danesclose wrote:
1. Network Rail was re-nationalised because Railtrack, the private company set up by Major's government, was an unmitigated disaster
Nope, fares are regulated. the inconvenient fact is that the private franchise is giving a better return.danesclose wrote:
2. East Coast Rail had the lowest subsidies of any of the rail franchises when state run. Probably the reason Virgin Trains returns much more to the Treasury under its current franchise deal than did East Coast is that the prices are higher and therefore the tax paid to the Treasury is higher.
danesclose wrote: If the system is working so much better, why are the subsidies paid to the rail operating companies far higher in real terms than those paid to British Rail? Don't tell me its due to massive improvements to services.
that of course is controversial, but under BR we had decades of underinvestment, which led to the system becoming unsafe. For the problems with the old system, see this list of deaths and injuries
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The network now carries far, far more people. Rail travel has been one of the great success stories of the last 25 years. General "everything is shit and getting worse" pessimism hides this from us.
If we know one thing in economics it is this: price subsidies are counterproductive. Whether it is bread, rail travel, or housing. the trains wouldn't empty: they'd just charge the market cost of the service.danesclose wrote: 3. Rail prices are not too low. Can you imagine the chaos in the major cities if people came to work in cars?
For two reasons.danesclose wrote: How can continental train companies operate much cheaper fares than the UK for comparable services?
1. Their subsidies are uniformly higher. This is unfair on the poor.
2. they are generally in much larger countries without the problems of building infrastructure that we face in the UK. Much easier to build 100m of railtrack in France than in the UK.
no evidence for the former.danesclose wrote: Maybe its partly because the state owned rail companies in Germany, Italy etc. are using the profits they make from owning British rail franchises to subsidise operations in their own countries. As an aside, why is it OK for the German government to run British rail franchises, but not the UK government?
As to the latter, fine for me to have the UK state itself compete for the franchises (which was Labour policy in 2015 GE), just so long as it does so on a commercial basis. More the merrier: that is how competition works.
I am afraid i think those denying the clear evidence are making themselves look a bit silly.danesclose wrote: 4. As far as I'm aware the CCTV pictures have not yet been released (surprising, given the speed that Virgin released the stills) so at this stage its impossible to state that Corbyn has been caught telling a fib on camera.
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Excellent.Roger.Well done.
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Thanks!danesclose wrote:Congrats!RogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
BTW What's this on Twitter about Leyton Orient being a Maoist outpost?
Where did you see that?
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many congratulations.RogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
Details of viva please.
Did they tell you at start or end?
how long was grilling?
Will you put Dr into your username?
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ThanksSpinningHugo wrote:
many congratulations.
Details of viva please.
Did they tell you at start or end?
how long was grilling?
Will you put Dr into your username?
2 examiners - 1 internal, 1 external + chair to keep order.
End although it was pretty clear from opening remarks that they liked it.
1hr 25 mins
Nah.
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Yes well done Roger. Can we now refer to you as Dot ?frightful_oik wrote:Congratulations Dr O'Thornhill!
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Congrats. Welcome to PhDom. What was your general subject if you don't mind my asking?
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Barney Farmer (guy who does Male Online cartoon) retweeted this from a lady involved with Orient who was on the train with Corbyn & backs up what he said.RogerOThornhill wrote:Thanks!danesclose wrote:Congrats!RogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
BTW What's this on Twitter about Leyton Orient being a Maoist outpost?
Where did you see that?
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He (BF) made a gag about Orient being a Maoist club
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Many many congratulations Roger.
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Thanks!JonnyT1234 wrote:Congrats. Welcome to PhDom. What was your general subject if you don't mind my asking?
Let's just keep it at history.
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Llongyfarchiadau Dr OThornhill
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On nomenclature. I like to think of myself as "scum"
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Thats awesome!!! Are you going to publish it through history press or someone similar? I could happily while away some time reading about the EturscansRogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
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Well,rail was our only way we could feasibly get anywhere of any distance,the fare was discounted but I would argue the total cost of a journey (necessary taxis etc) was broadly comparable-travel ability via mobility scheme was not an option;in theory terms it should be possible to travel by coach,at best this was severly limiting and in practical not feasible,without being too graphic,natural functions do not fit into convenient stops on a journey.So I don't think it is all as simple as you have put because increasing the cost positively excludes significant amounts of people,particularly when they have little or no other options.
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Anyway I did this during last year's leadership contest, not much has changed...
Radicals and Reactionaries: The Making of Modern Britain.
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Congratulations Roger
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Wow! Well done Roger!RogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
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Dancing scum, methinks.tinyclanger2 wrote:On nomenclature. I like to think of myself as "scum"
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So was Carl Jung.danesclose wrote:Apparently Churchill was quite a dab hand with a trowelJonnyT1234 wrote:It requires a certain degree of skill to become a good brickie. So...HindleA wrote:I am still in shock George Osborne isn't a qualified brick layer.
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Re: Tuesday 23rd August 2016
Not sure about the safety of the on line voting system,I've voted six times already.
Re: Tuesday 23rd August 2016
So was Barbara Cartland.yahyah wrote:So was Carl Jung.danesclose wrote:Apparently Churchill was quite a dab hand with a trowelJonnyT1234 wrote: It requires a certain degree of skill to become a good brickie. So...
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