Saturday 8th & Sunday 9th November 2014

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:22 pm

pk1 wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Can we tweet the twat who wrote it and ask him if he has been drinking?
Daniel Boffey who wrote something that was proven to be a complete lie last weekend *wracks brain trying but failing to remember what it was but remembers very clearly that he didn't respond to my tweet notifying him nor did he amend his article*

Was it the Lamont "not being allowed to.talk about the bedroom tax" article,well.after it was officially policy to get rid of it ?

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:23 pm

My tweet of a few mins ago that if my party force EM to resign then I pledge to cut up my card & never vote Labour again is receiving a lot of attention.

I sense another Twitter storm coming again soon

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:25 pm

Tristram Hunt named in Mail

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:27 pm

Yes, but what is the actual "story"?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:29 pm

No comments allowed on Boffey's piece.

In which he said "Alan Johnson appeared to rule himself out".

He did rule himself out.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:33 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:Tweet Smithson.

I have. He is ignoring me now, knows how daft he looks.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:36 pm

He replied to me- a fair reply. He's reading out the odds.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:36 pm

Amidst the media storm around Miliband’s leadership, Alan Johnson – who in recent months has reportedly been called upon by some within the party to make a leadership bid – has once again ruled out the possibility of him challenging Miliband.

Alan Johnson:
“For the avoidance of any doubt, I have no intention of going back to frontline politics, I support Ed Miliband, I’m a candidate at the next general election, so I’ve got an interest in it and I think it’s eminently winnable."

http://labourlist.org/2014/11/johnson-c ... -miliband/

The date & time on this LabourList article is the following:

NOVEMBER 8, 2014 9:48 AM

The following horseshit is time dated below:

Ed Miliband in new crisis as senior Labour MPs back a leadership change

Twenty shadow ministers say they are willing to call for him to stand down, if Alan Johnson is willing to step into the breach

Daniel Boffey, policy editor
The Observer, Saturday 8 November 2014 21.00 GMT

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... hip-change

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:38 pm

Tubby

That poll you pulled MS up on is from yougov & I happen to know something very interesting about it that should cast doubt about polling in all our eyes.

As you all know, I read & post on UKPR. Yesterday a poster linked to a yougov poll which he said be quick because he suspected it shouldn't have been put onto the site.

Being a most sod, I looked & it was the poll MS is tweeting about. Lots of questions about alternative Leaders, do you know such & such an MP, would you recognise them etc etc.

The interesting thing though is that the fieldwork for the poll was dated 6 - 7 Nov.

The results were put up on the morning of the 7th so how can they have been polled on the 7th ??

Anthony Wells won't answer the question & modded all reference to it - odd eh ?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:38 pm

Ah, sorry, I should have known you all were on it. I'm shaking I'm so angry. This isn't fair play, this isn't democracy, this is intentional lying slander & it's dishonourable, disgraceful.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:41 pm

pk1 wrote:Tubby

That poll you pulled MS up on is from yougov & I happen to know something very interesting about it that should cast doubt about polling in all our eyes.

As you all know, I read & post on UKPR. Yesterday a poster linked to a yougov poll which he said be quick because he suspected it shouldn't have been put onto the site.

Being a most sod, I looked & it was the poll MS is tweeting about. Lots of questions about alternative Leaders, do you know such & such an MP, would you recognise them etc etc.

The interesting thing though is that the fieldwork for the poll was dated 6 - 7 Nov.

The results were put up on the morning of the 7th so how can they have been polled on the 7th ??

Anthony Wells won't answer the question & modded all reference to it - odd eh ?

Hmmmm.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:41 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, but what is the actual "story"?

Will we get to find out? I'm serious. Will we be allowed to know? Disgraceful news coverage based on nothing but lies.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:42 pm

HindleA wrote:ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Yes, I agree.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:43 pm

A new Survation poll puts Labour ahead by 34-29, apparently.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:44 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, but what is the actual "story"?
Will we get to find out? I'm serious. Will we be allowed to know? Disgraceful news coverage based on nothing but lies.

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:47 pm

Tristram Hunt ‏@TristramHuntMP · 2m2 minutes ago
@joeyjonessky This is nonsense. As I said on Friday, Ed is right man to lead Labour & country. He has set the terms of UK political debate.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:49 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, but what is the actual "story"?
Will we get to find out? I'm serious. Will we be allowed to know? Disgraceful news coverage based on nothing but lies.
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I think they are probably slightly misquoting him, and taking him out of context.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:49 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, but what is the actual "story"?
Will we get to find out? I'm serious. Will we be allowed to know? Disgraceful news coverage based on nothing but lies.
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That tweet is highly selective it missed out "Ed has some excellent qualities,but that isn't the best way to show them

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:51 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Tristram Hunt named in Mail

For what? For god damn what?

Okay - got it

Tristram Hunt:

MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain.

https://twitter.com/TristramHuntMP

1 Minute ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... peter-hain

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:52 pm

Follow

Tristram HuntVerified account
‏@TristramHuntMP
MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain.

Ah sorry Citizen - total snap occurred there.

But at least he's come out quickly to deny it, eh.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:53 pm

Could someone please explain to me what the hell is going on? Because I don't understand that Dr Eoin Clarke Twitter thing.

Got it thank you. I'm better now.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:53 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:He replied to me- a fair reply. He's reading out the odds.

He keeps saying that, but he editorialises too much to keep using that excuse; that "Labour leaning Observer" bilge was just the latest example.

Re. the Mail/Tristram Hunt story; the quote being bandied about is, apparently, from another one of those mysterious off-the-record conversations with "senior Labour MPs" - about as reliable as one of Wintour's hack jobs frankly. I suppose it is possible that the MpS has published the unvarnished truth ...... no, I can't keep a straight face .....

And, right on cue .....

Tristram Hunt @TristramHuntMP · 5m 5 minutes ago

MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:54 pm

@Survation: Survation/MOS (VI vs 03/11)
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Fieldwork Friday 7th Nov. Online. Sample size: 1020

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:54 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Follow

Tristram HuntVerified account
‏@TristramHuntMP
MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain.

Listening to him Friday there's no more supportive of Miliband he could've been. Media sure like to whip themselves into a state. Labour need to stand firm, it's the policies people are interested in, not this crap.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:55 pm

citizenJA wrote:Could someone please explain to me what the hell is going on? Because I don't understand that Dr Eoin Clarke Twitter thing.

The Mail have TH stabbing Ed in the back as one of the shadow cabinet who have been speaking out against him

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:55 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Tristram Hunt named in Mail

Seems to have criticized presentation of putting Ed forward all the time as having not worked, in the bit I saw.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:56 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:He replied to me- a fair reply. He's reading out the odds.
He keeps saying that, but he editorialises too much to keep using that excuse; that "Labour leaning Observer" bilge was just the latest example.

Re. the Mail/Tristram Hunt story; the quote being bandied about is, apparently, from another one of those mysterious off-the-record conversations with "senior Labour MPs" - about as reliable as one of Wintour's hack jobs frankly. I suppose it is possible that the MpS has published the unvarnished truth ...... no, I can't keep a straight face .....

And, right on cue .....

Tristram Hunt @TristramHuntMP · 5m 5 minutes ago

MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain.

Did you see my reply to MS after he thanked me ? Couldn't resist & his next was to announce he was off to bed, lol

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:56 pm

HindleA wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Will we get to find out? I'm serious. Will we be allowed to know? Disgraceful news coverage based on nothing but lies.
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That tweet is highly selective it missed out "Ed has some excellent qualities,but that isn't the best way to show them

Indeed if you read it you can see it is a selective quote from a longer piece......if Miliband wins - get rid of the BBC and bring in full Leveson....ban foreign residents from owning British media outlets etc

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:58 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:He replied to me- a fair reply. He's reading out the odds.
He keeps saying that, but he editorialises too much to keep using that excuse; that "Labour leaning Observer" bilge was just the latest example.
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Oh, I think his biases come through, but I think he's basically all right. And I feel sorry for him being stuck with all those morons on his blog.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 10:59 pm

@KarlTurnerMP: @TristramHuntMP TH says MoS story is total nonsense I say it's complete bollocks! #webackEd

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:02 pm

Claire Spencer @thedancingflea · 23m 23 minutes ago
If we get rid of Ed, we don't deserve to be in government. Talking to ourselves now is utterly unforgivable.

Someone who clearly gets it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:03 pm

I'm a Labour party member & supporter & look forward to Ed Miliband forming a majority government in the UK in May 2015 at the latest.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:04 pm

pk1 wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:He replied to me- a fair reply. He's reading out the odds.
He keeps saying that, but he editorialises too much to keep using that excuse; that "Labour leaning Observer" bilge was just the latest example.

Re. the Mail/Tristram Hunt story; the quote being bandied about is, apparently, from another one of those mysterious off-the-record conversations with "senior Labour MPs" - about as reliable as one of Wintour's hack jobs frankly. I suppose it is possible that the MpS has published the unvarnished truth ...... no, I can't keep a straight face .....

And, right on cue .....

Tristram Hunt @TristramHuntMP · 5m 5 minutes ago

MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain.
Did you see my reply to MS after he thanked me ? Couldn't resist & his next was to announce he was off to bed, lol

Loved it. Was tempted to add another reply, but felt sorry for him.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:06 pm

Had Press Preview on pause & now catching up.

Tristram Hunt has tweeted Sky News which the presenter quoted live on air:

@TristramHuntMP: MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain

.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:06 pm

Well, Hunt showe a spiky streak with Cameron the other day.

Needs to do so again.

I think he's been OK in his job too.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:11 pm

Breathe

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:13 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, but what is the actual "story"?
Will we get to find out? I'm serious. Will we be allowed to know? Disgraceful news coverage based on nothing but lies.
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pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:13 pm

@MichaelDugherMP: Observer sources are 3 (allegedly) anonymous "senior" Labour MPs referencing "20" anonymous frontbenchers. Total bullshit #webackEd

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:13 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Well, Hunt showe a spiky streak with Cameron the other day.

Needs to do so again.

I think he's been OK in his job too.

He has his moments. He was pretty good, in the main, on last weeks QT as well; quite worrying that so many were prepared to think the worst of him tonight, on no evidence. Still think he'd be better at Communities (regionalisation is very much his thing), but who then to slot into Education?

And he's just attracted the unlikeliest of supporters on Twitter, not sure how to take this comment.

Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft · 4m4 minutes ago
I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:14 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Will we get to find out? I'm serious. Will we be allowed to know? Disgraceful news coverage based on nothing but lies.
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Eoin probably deleted his tweet after Tristram Hunt reacted to the lie as told in the Mail

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:15 pm

Ha, ha, I quite like Lord Ashcroft.

Think Education is OK for Hunt. Got oversight and school places in his sites, main issues. Good on other bits like professional development.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:16 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Well, Hunt showe a spiky streak with Cameron the other day.

Needs to do so again.

I think he's been OK in his job too.
He has his moments. He was pretty good, in the main, on last weeks QT as well; quite worrying that so many were prepared to think the worst of him tonight, on no evidence. Still think he'd be better at Communities (regionalisation is very much his thing), but who then to slot into Education?

And he's just attracted the unlikeliest of supporters on Twitter, not sure how to take this comment.

Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft · 4m4 minutes ago
I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT

Seen the tweets replying to Hunt ? So many so-called Labour members believing the Mail over Hunt.

Ashcroft is attempting a neat line in humour after some right winger said the other day that they should support Ed into the GE because he was the Cons best chance of winning.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:16 pm

@TheGrimSqueaker
"And he's just attracted the unlikeliest of supporters on Twitter, not sure how to take this comment."

Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft · 4m4 minutes ago
I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT

Well, what would Bevan say?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:18 pm

R&S looking poor for the Conservatives even though they've thrown the kitchen sink at it, BBC news 24 appeared slightly sceptical of Osborne's smoke and mirrors and it's Miliband that's in trouble. Again.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:20 pm

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 9m 9 minutes ago
I totally accept good Labour people are doing their best to back Ed. In the' 'we must stay together for the sake of the children' way.

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 21m 21 minutes ago
Tristram Hunt tweeting that he does support Ed. This is what its come to?

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 37m 37 minutes ago
I dont think a Twitter campaign to save Ed is a positive sign but maybe its just me.

Somehow she just exemplifies everything about this bored and boring game being played out by the journo luvvies and their paymasters.

Just look at the state of her.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:24 pm

Ian Reeve ‏@IanGReeve 3m3 minutes ago Reading, South East
I'm f***** gagging to see the #WeBackDave tweets. #WeBackEd

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:26 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 9m 9 minutes ago
I totally accept good Labour people are doing their best to back Ed. In the' 'we must stay together for the sake of the children' way.

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 21m 21 minutes ago
Tristram Hunt tweeting that he does support Ed. This is what its come to?

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 37m 37 minutes ago
I dont think a Twitter campaign to save Ed is a positive sign but maybe its just me.
Somehow she just exemplifies everything about this bored and boring game being played out by the journo luvvies and their paymasters.

Just look at the state of her.

How stupid is @suzanne_moore ( to use the vernacular).

The whole point of Twitter is it allows instant rebuttal. So Hunt wasn't so much tweeting to support Ed, but to tell the media that the MoS story was bollocks.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:26 pm

@RR2

Of course it's no win.If ignored-nobody is supporting Ed.If responded to in anyway-terrible because they had to.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:26 pm

@pk1

Seen the tweets replying to Hunt ? So many so-called Labour members believing the Mail over Hunt.

Isn't it awful? So we're reading these posts from people I wonder if they're really interesting in supporting a Labour government. Fine, if people don't support Labour, out with it. "Concern troll" crap is a nasty game.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 08 Nov, 2014 11:30 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 9m 9 minutes ago
I totally accept good Labour people are doing their best to back Ed. In the' 'we must stay together for the sake of the children' way.

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 21m 21 minutes ago
Tristram Hunt tweeting that he does support Ed. This is what its come to?

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore · 37m 37 minutes ago
I dont think a Twitter campaign to save Ed is a positive sign but maybe its just me.
Somehow she just exemplifies everything about this bored and boring game being played out by the journo luvvies and their paymasters.

Just look at the state of her.

I told her she didn't know what she was talking about. He can't be got rid of. And if he resigns, it's Harman.