Sat 5 and Sun 6 November 2016

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:06 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

I'd have done worse. I'm glad he's not pandering to their demands. Labour has tried keeping them onside and they do things like threaten to reveal details of Gordon Brown's children. Fuck them

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:07 pm

What's the view from that moral high ground like again?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:08 pm

Obviously I will never know.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:08 pm

First hand.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:10 pm

Womble44 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.
I'd have done worse. I'm glad he's not pandering to their demands. Labour has tried keeping them onside and they do things like threaten to reveal details of Gordon Brown's children. Fuck them

Well exactly. But we wouldn't want a day to go by without a pop at Corbyn now would we?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:11 pm

Corbyn, Burgon, Cooper all saying pretty much the same thing. Sensible, principled opposition. Making trouble for May. Good on them.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:13 pm

It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:16 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Obviously I will never know.

Personally I don't think anyone who still supports Saving Labour has the faintest inkling of what morality is. SL are certainly not moral; they are complicit in child murder, deliberately doing nothing so that evil can prosper - to support them is immoral by every definition of the word.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:19 pm

Might be worth pointing out that journalists haven't been particularly scepitical of this whole snap GE stuff given that we're in Fixed Term Parliament land.

Maybe they should focus on how that would work rather than insisting on Corbyn tell us what he thinks about an early election?

Just a thought.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:21 pm

Womble44 wrote:It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.

What good does not voting Labour do given the electoral system currently in place?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:22 pm

I would like a cup of tea stirring emoticon please.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:26 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I would like a cup of tea stirring emoticon please.

I'd like one of someone throwing a fishing line out with bait on hoping to catch something...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:27 pm

This is us. Destined to split into increasingly small groups that can never have any real influence. Unless we build into an effective coalition. Which we can't because we're destined to split into ....

(should add have nothing to do with Saving Labour)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:30 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:This is us. Destined to split into increasingly small groups that can never have any real influence. Unless we build into an effective coalition. Which we can't because we're destined to split into ....

(should add have nothing to do with Saving Labour)

It doesn't have to be this way
Let's not split apart
Stay together, it the only way to keep everyone standing

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:34 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Womble44 wrote:It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.
What good does not voting Labour do given the electoral system currently in place?

By voting Labour - espescially by voting for one of the SL murderers - you give succour to their sordid warped world view and sense of self. What good does supporting a crime against humanity do? You cannot dismiss what they have done, its like saying Hitler buillt the autobahns to dismiss the holocaust.

There is no nuance, no shades of grey it is purely about right and wrong good and evil. And if you stand on the side of evil - like Hugo unashamedly does - I will call you out.

I will speak out, because one day humanity will look back on these times, one day history will sit in judgement on us all, I will not be found wanting. I will not turn my back on my fellow man. I will not be labelled a criminal by future generations, because all I gave a shit about was uber, or the price of fucking marmite, or Ed smegging Balls dancing on Stricktly whilst babies starved to death or are killed by british bombs. All because the PLP don't like their leader and figured ssticking it to him was worth the cost in brown babies lives.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:36 pm

Temulkar - why don't you call Hugo out 1:1 (pm) rather than subject all of us to it?
Just a thought.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:40 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Temulkar - why don't you call Hugo out 1:1 (pm) rather than subject all of us to it?
Just a thought.

Because its not just Hugo is it, its everyone on here who supports SL, who would rather snipe at corbyn than face up to what they are supporting.

Im not brushing children dying under the carpet to protect your sensibilities, Im afraid, that would be the very definition of turniing my back, doing nothing, allowing evil to prosper.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:40 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... l-watchers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Specter of election day violence looms as Trump spurs vigilante poll watchers
Advocates say US faces ‘midnight hour of our democracy’ as militia members and neo-Nazi groups take Donald Trump’s claims of ballot rigging seriously

I grew up knowing to avoid unattended bags and worried about nuclear bombs.
But this stuff is much scarier. Or perhaps, again, it's just age.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:45 pm

You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:53 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.

I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:56 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Womble44 wrote:It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.
What good does not voting Labour do given the electoral system currently in place?

If they aren't willing to try and stop it, what's the point? I feel strongly about this and can't support these policies. I know some MPs were concerned about defence industry jobs, but that's a position I can't defend.

Basically, how many people should I be comfortable being killed to support my ideological views?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:56 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 99371.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UK trade with India to suffer 'double hit' after Brexit says business chief
Eurosceptics argue leaving EU will improve relations with Commonwealth *

Ficci’s secretary general, Alwyn Didar Singh, said the Brexit vote would “obviously” have negative consequences for the hundreds of Indian businesses that currently operate in the country.

https://commonwealth-opinion.blogs.sas. ... monwealth/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
* Before the poll, the uniform message from the other leaders of the 53-member association had been a desire for Britain to remain a member of the EU. To the Commonwealth, Britain was a powerful and privileged member within the EU trading bloc, with considerable opportunities for diplomatic leverage in broader Commonwealth interests.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:59 pm

Last time you dropped in to tell me that using the Latimer-coined phrase "flounce the nest" was snide. It gets tiresome.
Apologies to everyone - including Temulkar - for seeming argumentative. Am just tired of the personal criticisms and would like them to stop. We're here to debate the politics not judge each other on our respective views.

None of us - likely even you Temulkar - are perfect.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:00 pm

Temulkar wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.
I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.

I genuinely don't know if your posts here are sincere any more. I'm dismayed by your responses. Are you okay?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:15 pm

I want to make it clear: this is not an argument with Temulkar. It is a general comment on my preference for disagreeing on the issues, rather than accusing each other on the basis of our beliefs. The point is to pursuade others to another view - not slag them off for the ones they have.

I realise it's not all about me so will shut up now. Apologies again for the interruption to your usual programming.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:18 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.
I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.
I genuinely don't know if your posts here are sincere any more. I'm dismayed by your responses. Are you okay?

You think Im insincere because Im railing against child murder?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:21 pm

You know she doesn't. Stop it.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:22 pm

HindleA wrote:JonnyT -your links keep proclaiming apple news,yet no information about apples.Am I missing something?Rhetorical question.

I'm helping to keep the doctor at bay...

[I've stopped using the Guardian app except for the occasions I read a live blog and switched to the News app from Apple on their iOS devices. It conveniently copys article title, source plus apple.news link to the article in question at the same time onto the clipboard making it an easier way to paste and share things on a small screen]

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:30 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:You know she doesn't. Stop it.

Sorry I dont folow orders.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:34 pm

In other news...

Team GB ‏@TeamGB 2m2 minutes ago

Milos Raonic withdraws from his #ParisMasters semi-final....

@andy_murray will become the new WORLD NUMBER 1!

Congratulations Andy!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:39 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 98251.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
British Airways to shrink seat space to squeeze more passengers on to flights
Exclusive: Airline's 777 jets will have one extra seat per economy row from 2018

Yikes

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 2:39 pm

And they've found her!

Nit even close to being good enough - no mention of the media coverage?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:00 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

Since that is not actually a link, you are going to have to put us out of our suspense I fear.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:04 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.
Since that is not actually a link, you are going to have to put us out of our suspense I fear.

He scored the winner against Ludogrets in the Champions League. What a pro.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:06 pm

Temulkar wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Temulkar wrote: I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.
I genuinely don't know if your posts here are sincere any more. I'm dismayed by your responses. Are you okay?
You think Im insincere because Im railing against child murder?

No. Please excuse me for asking.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:13 pm

Liz Truss has issued a very bland (and very short) statement which could have been issued at any time and in any context. Even the BBC correspondent seems unimpressed.

Edited - brackets. Thought I'd got them under control. Never relax your guard.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:14 pm

Liz Truss and unimpressive? Ever the twain shall meet.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:14 pm

From a barrister...

Colm Nugent ‏@Wigapedia 12m12 minutes ago Richmond, London

Colm Nugent Retweeted Ministry of Justice

I've read more strongly-worded statements about people putting their bins out too early for collection.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:20 pm

I think I'll have to renew my Labour Party membership.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:21 pm

"Hell" and "handcart" is all I have to offer at the moment. What a mess. Is the government still avoiding talking directly to the public through TV interviews, btw? It was something that started under Cameron and has contributed hugely to the sense of rudderless drift we currently have in this country and the general collapse of proper scrutiny and the holding of government to account.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:28 pm

PorFavor wrote:I think I'll have to renew my Labour Party membership.

Good move

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:38 pm

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... nefit-cuts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The government must not inflict more disability benefit cuts which I voted for.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:45 pm

Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:59 pm

Light outside just now is beautiful. The trees are gold-coloured.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 3:59 pm

frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

Don't think so. But, as tinyclanger2 observed earlier, we're none of us perfect. I suppose that I must grudgingly accept that that includes me.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 4:09 pm

frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

I follow Swindon, so don't have a whole lot positive on that front today

Post by **refitman** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 4:20 pm

Womble44 wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth
I follow Swindon, so don't have a whole lot positive on that front today

Be thankful you're not a Welsh rugby supporter*. They've just been humped by Australia.

*Making a HUGE assumption here

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 4:23 pm

The only weapon we have is to reach some kind consensus - where we have mutual agreement - and act collectively. Otherwise we continue to hand it to the bastards all the time. This is why campaigning organisations spend valuable time building unwieldy coalitions. It's not easy. But it's how it is.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 4:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth
Don't think so. But, as tinyclanger2 observed earlier, we're none of us perfect. I suppose that I must grudgingly accept that that includes me.

obviously you were exempt.
for the quality of your editing notes alone.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 4:39 pm

And . . .