Saturday 14th & Sunday 15th January 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 6:14 am

Morning

Exclusive: Dramatic increase in pay gap between heads and classroom teachers

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... -classroom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 6:17 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -have-hope" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cyprus talks bring Nicosia to 'a point where we can have hope

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 6:21 am

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... card-trial" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Coalition 'cherry picking' data to support cashless welfare card trial
Greens say government is not showing the full picture and is relying on anecdotal evidence in assessing the card’s rollout
Australia

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 6:46 am

From AAWs post last night:

http://www.verdict.co.uk/2017/01/12/gov ... laming-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The government should support British industry instead of blaming the EU

Take last year’s threat to the British steel industry caused by China’s ‘dumping’ of cheap steel. Germany, France and Italy provided entirely legitimate support to their own industries, but Britain did not. The Conservative government’s hypocrisy reached its peak when it opposed stronger EU action to counter the dumping of Chinese steel on the European market.

The EU has trade defence instruments to deal with situations like this. EU governments have been trying for a while to strengthen them. But any agreement on doing so has been blocked by a minority of countries led by the British Conservative government. - See more at: http://www.verdict.co.uk/2017/01/12/gov ... f4Gxs.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:06 am

Thanks to Hindle for drawing attention to Wollaston's tweets last night.

Why on a Friday night I wonder, does it give her the weekend to prepare for a kicking from No 10?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:18 am

gilsey wrote:Thanks to Hindle for drawing attention to Wollaston's tweets last night.

Why on a Friday night I wonder, does it give her the weekend to prepare for a kicking from No 10?

She not at all happy..
https://twitter.com/sarahwollaston" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:32 am

Central planning is coming, and not from Labour.
http://www.politico.eu/article/how-ther ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How Theresa May plans to reduce immigration after Brexit
British government wants to impose immigration restrictions on ‘every sector and every skill level.’
By TOM MCTAGUE

a senior government official said that while “flexibility” would be built into the new system “to meet the needs of the economy,” the government wanted to control immigration across the board.

“To control people coming from Europe is the principle we are working towards,” the official said. “Every sector and every skill level will have some form of control.”

The new system will be tied to the government’s long-term economic strategy, under plans currently being developed by the Home Office and Department for Business, two senior government sources said.

God help us.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:39 am

gilsey wrote:Thanks to Hindle for drawing attention to Wollaston's tweets last night.

Why on a Friday night I wonder, does it give her the weekend to prepare for a kicking from No 10?

Dare one suggest, drinky-drinky?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:44 am

Jeremy Corbyn promises 'complete break with this rigged system' in speech to Fabians - Politics live

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:45 am

NHS to recruit hundreds of GPs from Poland, Lithuania and Greece

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... ia-greece/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:47 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:Thanks to Hindle for drawing attention to Wollaston's tweets last night.

Why on a Friday night I wonder, does it give her the weekend to prepare for a kicking from No 10?
Dare one suggest, drinky-drinky?

Doubt it, more like in response to this
GPs should do more to take pressure off A&E departments, says May

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -surgeries" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:48 am

The Exiting the European Union Committee's first report calls for transitional arrangements on trade, no return to tariffs for UK businesses and parliamentary vote on final deal.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... hed-16-17/

Don't know if government has any obligation to take notice of report, but
conclusions look interesting -
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /81503.htm
(full report does too, but long)-
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /81502.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:48 am

AngryAsWell wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:Thanks to Hindle for drawing attention to Wollaston's tweets last night.

Why on a Friday night I wonder, does it give her the weekend to prepare for a kicking from No 10?
Dare one suggest, drinky-drinky?
Doubt it, more like in response to this
GPs should do more to take pressure off A&E departments, says May

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -surgeries" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I was referring more to the implication she often seems to sound off about things on Friday nights

But yeah, it would be pretty amazing if she wasn't highly dissatisfied with how things are at present.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:49 am

Good morfternoon.

Jeremy Corbyn doing well in his speech so far. Saying the things I want to hear.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:50 am

Asking the impossible:

A cross-party group of MPs has urged Prime Minister Theresa May to make clear whether she intends to stay in the EU single market and customs union before Brexit talks begin at the end of March.

Am I missing something, or is there an EU input to negotiations? Whether we stay in the single market or CU isn't up to May.

The Brexit farce is so like the 2014 referendum, with Salmond saying we'll remain in the EU and have a currency union with E/W/NI, while the EU and Chancellor said "no you won't".

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/b ... -1-4339534

(And as for that photo - bad hair day or Einstein impression?

)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:50 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:Thanks to Hindle for drawing attention to Wollaston's tweets last night.

Why on a Friday night I wonder, does it give her the weekend to prepare for a kicking from No 10?
Dare one suggest, drinky-drinky?

Labour MP Anna Turley sometimes gives that impression!
Wollaston doesn't, but maybe she'd composed them in advance.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 10:51 am

After the discussion here on Tristram Hunt yesterday, Phil BC's latest blog piece is even more of a must read than usual.

Fair and balanced, but also reads very true.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:14 am

AngryAsWell wrote:
She not at all happy..
https://twitter.com/sarahwollaston" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This one...

Sarah Wollaston MP ‏@sarahwollaston 11h11 hours ago

Pretty dismal stuff for govt to scapegoat GPs for very serious NHS pressures. Failure to understand the complexity or own responsibility

The David Brent style of management...

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:28 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:After the discussion here on Tristram Hunt yesterday, Phil BC's latest blog piece is even more of a must read than usual.

Fair and balanced, but also reads very true.

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unintentionally revealing I think.

It must have been utterly miserable to have been Hunt with that CLP. Reflects my experience. Many more won't stand in 2020. The party will have radically changed.

Corbyn has won already.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:29 am

Jeremy Corbyn is still rather woolly (evasive?) on the EU, though.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:31 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:After the discussion here on Tristram Hunt yesterday, Phil BC's latest blog piece is even more of a must read than usual.

Fair and balanced, but also reads very true.

Who's Phil BC and where might he be found, please?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:39 am

@SpinningHugo

I've just spotted your link. Thank you.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:50 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ter-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dutchwoman resident in UK for 30 years may have to leave after Brexit

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:58 am

May's scapegoat attempt could spark mass resignations, says top GP
Dr Kailash Chand says GPs are rightly angry at government effort to shift blame for NHS crisis on to them with seven-day threat

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:05 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:After the discussion here on Tristram Hunt yesterday, Phil BC's latest blog piece is even more of a must read than usual.

Fair and balanced, but also reads very true.
http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unintentionally revealing I think.

It must have been utterly miserable to have been Hunt with that CLP. Reflects my experience. Many more won't stand in 2020. The party will have radically changed.

Corbyn has won already.

This also meant he didn't take as much of an interest in local politics as an MP should. Meetings with councillors were ad hoc and infrequent, local party strategy was something he fought shy of, and keeping the CLP happy wasn't a high priority. The latter undoubtedly helped contribute to it near-unanimously voting to endorse Jeremy Corbyn last summer. Unfortunately, like many Labour MPs, Tristram doesn't and didn't understand much the party or movement of which he is part, and didn't show interest in advice from staff and other local Labour people about how to navigate these choppy waters.

Hmm, Maybe some MPs could be more suited to a proportional representation system, in that the 'top up' number might allow some to not be so tied to a local area (if system could work that way).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:34 pm

His blog is one of the few I look at every day. Highly recommended.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:35 pm

Thanks for the blog link AK - could only skim it while juggling the kids but as you say a good read - will come back to it later

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:38 pm

Anyone in tonight from the Midlands?

Any road up - I heard this on the radio the other night and thought it was brilliant. Do listen to it if you get the chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhJYRRnM6pc

Edited to add -

I'll give you a clue - it's a "pome"

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:44 pm

gilsey wrote:Central planning is coming, and not from Labour.
http://www.politico.eu/article/how-ther ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How Theresa May plans to reduce immigration after Brexit
British government wants to impose immigration restrictions on ‘every sector and every skill level.’
By TOM MCTAGUE
a senior government official said that while “flexibility” would be built into the new system “to meet the needs of the economy,” the government wanted to control immigration across the board.

“To control people coming from Europe is the principle we are working towards,” the official said. “Every sector and every skill level will have some form of control.”

The new system will be tied to the government’s long-term economic strategy, under plans currently being developed by the Home Office and Department for Business, two senior government sources said.
God help us.

Understand the view that not delivering Brexit would be bad - but am no longer convinced it would be worse. This turning back the clock 5 decades (and the rest) will put us back 5 decades. We may never recover. It's not inspiring and it demeans our nation tremendously.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:44 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:Asking the impossible:

A cross-party group of MPs has urged Prime Minister Theresa May to make clear whether she intends to stay in the EU single market and customs union before Brexit talks begin at the end of March.
Am I missing something, or is there an EU input to negotiations? Whether we stay in the single market or CU isn't up to May.

The Brexit farce is so like the 2014 referendum, with Salmond saying we'll remain in the EU and have a currency union with E/W/NI, while the EU and Chancellor said "no you won't".

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/b ... -1-4339534

(And as for that photo - bad hair day or Einstein impression? )

(cJA emphasis)

Yeah, that's my understanding.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:45 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:47 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:NHS to recruit hundreds of GPs from Poland, Lithuania and Greece

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... ia-greece/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unless of course Theresa May intervenes to ban everyone from living here. Including Brits.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:51 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks for the blog link AK - could only skim it while juggling the kids but as you say a good read - will come back to it later

Is that still legal?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:57 pm

And they say men can't multitask.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 12:59 pm

PorFavor wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is still rather woolly (evasive?) on the EU, though.

Wolmar's London ‏@wolmarforlondon 1h1 hour ago
I asked Jeremy Corbyn why he is so keen on Brexit when 65% of our supporters voted Remain. Answer came there none #fab17

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:02 pm

There appears to be some sort of ice skating event in my bird bath.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:07 pm

Anna Turley MPVerified account
‏@annaturley
I get irritated with this argument that there has been continuity 'establishment' in the last few governments that lumps labour & Tories 1.

Reading her page it seems Ann's a bit cross, and setting out Labour achievements

https://twitter.com/annaturley" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:08 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks for the blog link AK - could only skim it while juggling the kids but as you say a good read - will come back to it later
Is that still legal?

Well since Brexit and not having to comply with all that elf and safety crap any more.....

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:08 pm

HindleA wrote:There appears to be some sort of ice skating event in my bird bath.

Have you ever watched swans landing on a frozen lake?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:10 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
HindleA wrote:There appears to be some sort of ice skating event in my bird bath.
Have you ever watched swans landing on a frozen lake?

swans landing and skating on ice

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:27 pm

No ice here but we have sparrows doing courtship rituals.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:30 pm

Very interesting rumour about Wollaston posted in another place - could a big announcement from her be imminent?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:32 pm

Quitting the Tories ?

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:40 pm

yahyah wrote:No ice here but we have sparrows doing courtship rituals.

Are they using tiny little roller skates instead?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:41 pm

Donald Trump ‘highly likely’ to face impeachment within first 18 months as US President, expert warns
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 25761.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:43 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
yahyah wrote:No ice here but we have sparrows doing courtship rituals.
Are they using tiny little roller skates instead?

I'll go and ask them

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 1:50 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 26026.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cap on international student visas could cost UK economy £2bn a year
The loss would be additional to the billions of pounds that would be at risk from any big cut in the number of international visas for students, experts warn

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 2:02 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Very interesting rumour about Wollaston posted in another place - could a big announcement from her be imminent?

How reliable a place did you heard the rumour?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 2:13 pm

One for Tiny..
David Allen Green
‏@DavidAllenGreen David Allen Green Retweeted The Fabian Society
The Clangers also have 'full access'.

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 14 Jan, 2017 2:21 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:May's scapegoat attempt could spark mass resignations, says top GP
Dr Kailash Chand says GPs are rightly angry at government effort to shift blame for NHS crisis on to them with seven-day threat

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the article:

Ministers say they are providing an additional £528m a year for general practices by 2020-21 to ensure the target for providing seven-day opening is met by that date.

They say, however, that they are concerned by a recent National Audit Office finding that 46% of GP surgeries were still closing at some point during “core” weekday working hours – with 18% closing before 3pm a least one day a week – despite three-quarters of them having received extra funding to provide extended cover.

This is the problem with Tories, always attaching conditions to extra money that reflect their own ignorant (or politically corrupt) thinking rather than expert advice.
If pressure on A&E is caused by an aging population presenting more complex cases with multiple conditions, are more routine appointments for working people outside the Mon-Fri norm actually going to address the problem? These extra surgery hours would only create extra non-urgent appointments, as emergency/urgent out of hours appointments are already available.
Indeed, it immediately strikes me that GP surgeries closing early on a weekday may well be doing so in order for GPs to allocate more time to serious ill patients with home visits and rounds at local nursing homes, rather than seeing younger, healthier patients in surgery, who may be able to get by with a trip to the chemist with their cough or cold.
But then Theresa May probably knows all this and just doesn't care, seeing an opportunity to use people dying on hospital trolleys in corridors to push through further privatisation of primary care, even when they have no connection to each other. And still nothing on social care. Disgraceful.