Friday 3rd February 2017

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 5:42 pm

Latest from YouGov

in hindsight do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote leave the EU ?

All respondents 45% right [-1] 42% wrong
Women 41% right 46% wrong
Men 50% right 38% wrong
Kippers 94% right 3% wrong
Cons 64% right 28% wrong
Labour 29% right 64% wrong
Lib Dems 16% right 78% wrong

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 6:07 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -ban-order" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More than 100,000 visas revoked in week since Trump signed travel ban
Officials reveal number in lawsuit hearing for two Yemeni brothers, as federal judge rules in separate case that green card holders should not be included in ban

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 6:13 pm

Re-posting Roger's Monbiot link of 12.03h

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sts-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump’s extraordinary plan to cut federal spending by $10.5tn was drafted by the Heritage Foundation, which called it a “blueprint for a new administration”. Vought and Gray, who moved on to Trump’s team from Heritage, are now turning this blueprint into his first budget.

This will, if passed, inflict devastating cuts on healthcare, social security, legal aid, financial regulation and environmental protections; eliminate programmes to prevent violence against women, defend civil rights and fund the arts; and will privatise the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Trump, as you follow this story, begins to look less like a president and more like an intermediary, implementing an agenda that has been handed down to him.

In July last year, soon after he became trade secretary, Liam Fox flew to Washington. One of his first stops was a place he has visited often over the past 15 years: the office of the Heritage Foundation, where he spoke to, among others, Jim DeMint. A freedom of information request reveals that one of the topics raised at the meeting was the European ban on American chicken washed in chlorine: a ban that producers hope the UK will lift under a new trade agreement. Afterwards, Fox wrote to DeMint, looking forward to “working with you as the new UK government develops its trade policy priorities, including in high value areas that we discussed such as defence”.

How did Fox get to be in this position, after the scandal that brought him down in 2011? The scandal itself provides a clue: it involved a crossing of the boundaries between public and private interests. The man who ran the UK branch of Atlantic Bridge was his friend Adam Werritty,” etc

So there is a considerable team organising this Revolution …

The BBC’s Toady and other news programmes have insisted on interviewing these lobbyists as though they were really thinktanks . (Which has been infuriating me for several years now .)

Ignorance or collusion ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 6:15 pm

Guardian utilising our lettuce related puns.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 6:52 pm

No shortage of lettuces when I went shopping earlier. No lack of curved bananas either.

I popped into the Principality building society to ask if they had any better interest rates <laughs hysterically> on any of their savings accounts or bonds.
The young man said sadly not.
He then asked if I had considered taking out a funeral plan as they give about 6% interest on the savings. Wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry. Unfortunately it only pays out when you die and the money has to be spent on a funeral which put paid to my cunning plan to get the 6% and then cash it in early.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:03 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Right I have a bus to catch and a Bowie tribute band to watch

PfY. Always showing off.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:04 pm

EU leaders round on Trump and reject May's bridge-building efforts

Prime ministers and presidents at Malta summit line up to scorn Trump’s conduct, accusing him of lack of respect
François Hollande in Malta.

European leaders launched a series of attacks on Donald Trump over his anti-EU rhetoric on Friday, accusing him of a lack of respect, as Theresa May’s attempts to act as a bridge with the new US president were roundly rejected at a summit in Malta. (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... lta-summit

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:05 pm

collusion

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:09 pm

Though may be disappointed when he finds out it is "Songs from the Alamo"

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:10 pm

gilsey wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Continuing from above. What does Parliament do with a *hite Paper like this?
Get together and put the brakes on. Cobble together a majority for the Norway option and sod the 'will of the people', which might have been for that anyway if the campaigns had been conducted more honestly.

Use NI as an excuse.

I'm dreaming.

hear hear

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:11 pm

Good-evening, everyone.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:21 pm

Private ambulances increasingly used to respond to 999 calls

Figures for ambulance trusts in England showing sharp rise in spending on private operators add to concerns over NHS crisis

The London ambulance service (LAS) has had the biggest increase among England’s 10 regional ambulance trusts. The amount it spent on private ambulance providers soared from £700,000 in 2011 to £10.1m last year, a thirteen-fold increase. (Guardian - my emphasis)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... nhs-crisis

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:24 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
February 2, 2017

Will we see Ed Miliband return to frontline politics? Jeremy Corbyn’s team would dearly like him to, according to PoliticsHome. (Plitics Live Readers' Edition, Guardian)
Yes, please.

hear hear

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:30 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:RHETORIC
evidence
citation
spin

etc

I like to be allowed to think without proving that someone else has already thought it, and that if they haven't then I am obliged to assume my thinking is automatically invalid. As if one's own thinking cannot be relevant unless someone else has got there first.

Do you have some reputable peer-reviewed documentation for your post, please?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:31 pm

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:37 pm

David LammyVerified account
‏@DavidLammy

Our open letter - we stand against Trump's toxic agenda and when he comes to the UK will make our govt and the world know: not in our name.

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Some good names on that letter

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:39 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:David LammyVerified account
‏@DavidLammy

Our open letter - we stand against Trump's toxic agenda and when he comes to the UK will make our govt and the world know: not in our name.

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Some good names on that letter

Including Ed Miliband's.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:42 pm

Evening folks.
Sterling stuff over the last couple days. Have been vexed by non-functioning machine but with you in spirit.
Have slow start workaround for the moment, meaning I can bring you pointlessness again.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:42 pm

I know you'll be pleased.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:43 pm

Labour looks at collaborating with Lib Dems and Greens in Stoke

Jeremy Corbyn’s aides in informal discussions over joint effort to keep Ukip’s Paul Nuttall out of Commons (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-in-stoke

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:55 pm

David Lammy Verified account
‏@DavidLammy

Wake up. We do not have to do this. We can stop this madness through a vote in Parliament. My statement below

: David Lammy Clzp85gWYAAEh1k.jpg (73.65 KiB) Viewed 9638 times

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:56 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Labour looks at collaborating with Lib Dems and Greens in Stoke

Jeremy Corbyn’s aides in informal discussions over joint effort to keep Ukip’s Paul Nuttall out of Commons (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-in-stoke

Good.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:57 pm

Trump orders review that could relax Dodd-Frank bank rules

Mr Trump made it a campaign pledge to repeal and replace the Dodd-Frank act, which also created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).

This US government agency seeks to make sure banks, lenders, and other financial companies treat US consumers fairly.

Dodd-Frank, named after the Congressmen who campaigned for the legislation, was introduced to rein in banks' risky practices by banks and other financial companies. (BBC News website)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38858009

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 7:59 pm

but ... thewillofthepeople

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:01 pm

We received a leaflet through the mail slot 't other day
'News from Stoke-on-Trent Central Conservatives'
No candidate information

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:03 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:but ... thewillofthepeople

some don't shout loud
they live, work and love many nations

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:04 pm

Working Women Respond To White House Dress Code Report With #DressLikeAWoman Campaign

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconno ... b063696bd8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:04 pm

Jack Brereton,in case you were unaware.

Tory candidate.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:06 pm

Have trained my letter box to shred on receivership of right wing literature,there is a warning.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:07 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Labour looks at collaborating with Lib Dems and Greens in Stoke

Jeremy Corbyn’s aides in informal discussions over joint effort to keep Ukip’s Paul Nuttall out of Commons (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-in-stoke

Wonder if Nuttall thinks his new found love of flat caps will endear him to northerners ? (I know his ex Liverpool, but it's a contrived look none the less)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:11 pm

Next he'll be saying
Ay up lad, where's ma whippet, an ave ya cleaned piguns orwt yet a while ?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:13 pm

HindleA wrote:Jack Brereton,in case you were unaware.

Tory candidate.

cool
split that right wing vote

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:22 pm

Bungling burglar caught after getting stuck in a bathroom window (BBC News website)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-38855685

Cue Beatles song . . .

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:30 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Labour looks at collaborating with Lib Dems and Greens in Stoke

Jeremy Corbyn’s aides in informal discussions over joint effort to keep Ukip’s Paul Nuttall out of Commons (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-in-stoke
Wonder if Nuttall thinks his new found love of flat caps will endear him to northerners ? (I know his ex Liverpool, but it's a contrived look none the less)

It does look contrived, that and the facial hair growth he's lately sporting
he looks different each time in recent images
I knew this guy from his UKIP speaking and writing before I knew what he looked like
Not liking his politics, I think I'm less inclined to find his features easy on the eyes, you know?
I saw a picture of him and thought, 'an unpleasant-looking fellow'
The flyers he's sent out contain rude, disingenuous and personally disrespectful things about decent people
It's not attractive, right-wing nationalism

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:31 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Bungling burglar caught after getting stuck in a bathroom window (BBC News website)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-38855685

Cue Beatles song . . .

is that the one about the silver spoon?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:32 pm

Francois Hollande wrote:He was also dismissive about the idea of the UK being an envoy to Trump, if more politely so than Grybauskaitė. “It is not about asking one particular country, be it the UK or any other, to represent Europe in its relationship with the United States,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... said-adieu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's almost as if May doesn't realise that Brexit means Brexit.

It's thewillofthepeople innit.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:32 pm

HindleA wrote:Have trained my letter box to shred on receivership of right wing literature,there is a warning.

brilliant!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:34 pm

School autonomy? With Spag and phonics tests, the government has almost complete controls over classrooms

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... has-almost" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:34 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Bungling burglar caught after getting stuck in a bathroom window (BBC News website)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-38855685

Cue Beatles song . . .
is that the one about the silver spoon?

Yes, that'd be the one. (She Came In Through the Bathroom Window)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:36 pm

And what of Brexit, a day after May’s government published its white paper on the subject? It was curiously absent. Even the non-UK discussion after lunch was more about celebrating the 60th anniversary of the Treaty of Rome rather than mourning Britain’s departure.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:36 pm

At one point in his press conference, Hollande talked about a joint EU response to climate change. “Europe is not just 27 countries individually,” he said. Hollande was speaking in the present tense, but the UK was already gone from his thoughts.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:38 pm

If Ukip pip Labour to Stoke and the Lib Dems come a good third there'll be plenty of blame to be splashed around.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:39 pm

“For many, a vote for Brexit was indeed a vote to take back control and return to Westminster the full tools to cut immigration,” Crabb said in a article for the Guardian.

“The problem is that, set against the popular expectation that Brexit means cutting immigration, there is nothing on the horizon to suggest that achieving any significant reduction is achievable or even desirable.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... x-minister" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brexiters face rude awakening; you don't say.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:41 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Francois Hollande wrote:He was also dismissive about the idea of the UK being an envoy to Trump, if more politely so than Grybauskaitė. “It is not about asking one particular country, be it the UK or any other, to represent Europe in its relationship with the United States,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... said-adieu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's almost as if May doesn't realise that Brexit means Brexit.

It's thewillofthepeople innit.

T May's officious behaviour, speeches and writing are gross caricatures
She had the audacity to say I'm healed without consulting me about it first
Don't ever tell me what I am or what I am not, Madame

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:43 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
“For many, a vote for Brexit was indeed a vote to take back control and return to Westminster the full tools to cut immigration,” Crabb said in a article for the Guardian.

“The problem is that, set against the popular expectation that Brexit means cutting immigration, there is nothing on the horizon to suggest that achieving any significant reduction is achievable or even desirable.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... x-minister" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexiters face rude awakening; you don't say.

Oh, honey, the comments below the line on the Crabb communication below are a study!

As a Tory MP, I urge Theresa May to guarantee the status of EU nationals
Stephen Crabb
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-92498313" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:47 pm

StephenDolan wrote:If Ukip pip Labour to Stoke...

it'll be a hellish result. Nothing more or less.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:48 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
At one point in his press conference, Hollande talked about a joint EU response to climate change. “Europe is not just 27 countries individually,” he said. Hollande was speaking in the present tense, but the UK was already gone from his thoughts.

made me gasp just now, reading that

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:52 pm

HindleA wrote:Jack Brereton,in case you were unaware.

Tory candidate.

thanks

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 8:54 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 9:08 pm

citizenJA wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
At one point in his press conference, Hollande talked about a joint EU response to climate change. “Europe is not just 27 countries individually,” he said. Hollande was speaking in the present tense, but the UK was already gone from his thoughts.

made me gasp just now, reading that

Not quite gasping, but a painful one for me too, a bit over forty years since I left for Luxembourg and thirty four since here in Normandy, working in Paris for some of it . Six grandchildren from 1 to 16 years old, and obviously well integrated .

I receive much sympathy for the Brexit Lunacy , but then we here also have a ghastly GE coming up !!!