Saturday 4th & Sunday 5th February 2017

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:01 am

Morning.

Lovely blue sky and sun, hope others have such a lovely morning where they are.

Apologies if this was covered last night but I've not caught up with things yet.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:13 am

Morning

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ssions-law" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is the Swedish deputy PM trolling Trump with this all-female photo?
Isabella Lovin signs bill surrounded by women colleagues, apparently a reference photos of Trump signing bills surrounded by men

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:13 am

Owen Jones uses the c word about some of Corbyn's supporters. ''looks cult-like''. Good job he didn't post that on FTN before the great exodus. He'd have got his ears soundly boxed for that and likely some abuse too.

He'd back a younger leader, says he would find it difficult to vote for Corbyn, and 'loves' Ed M.

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lon ... 57501.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:20 am

yahyah wrote:Morning.

Lovely blue sky and sun, hope others have such a lovely morning where they are.

Apologies if this was covered last night but I've not caught up with things yet.

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<Goes off to read up on Rebecca Long Bailey>

Just read McDonnell's twitter on QT and had to check it was the one I'd seen.
If she's the future then the zombie apocalypse has started.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:22 am

Morning HA.

You like cryptic crosswords I believe.
Have you seen the GCHQ Quiz Book ?
It's brilliant, gets the mind working overtime. Anyone who loves the sort of questions on Only Connect will enjoy it.

I solved one that our Cambridge Maths and Statistics Ph.d friend couldn't. He was not a happy bunny.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 69031.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:23 am

4. Protecting our strong and historic ties with Ireland and maintaining the Common Travel Area
Maintaining our strong and historic ties with Ireland will be an important priority for the UK in the talks ahead. This includes protecting the Common Travel Area (CTA).
4.1 The UK and Ireland are inescapably intertwined through our shared history, culture and geography. It is a unique relationship: there are hundreds of thousands of Irish nationals residing in the UK and of UK nationals residing in Ireland. There are also close ties and family connections, particularly across the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland. Further information is provided in Annex B.
4.2 The relationship between the two countries has never been better or more settled than today, thanks to the strong political commitment from both Governments to deepen and broaden our modern partnership. Two recent State Visits, by Her Majesty The Queen in May 2011 and by President Higgins in April 2014, have helped cement this partnership; no one wants to see a return to the borders of the past. The Prime Minister is committed to maintaining the closest of ties and has already met the Taoiseach several times since taking office, most recently in Dublin in January 2017.
Economic ties
4.3 The UK and Irish economies are deeply integrated, through trade and cross-border investments, as well as through the free flow of goods, utilities, services and people. Annual trade between the UK and Ireland stands at over £43 billion,9 while around 60 per cent
of Northern Ireland’s goods exports to the EU are to Ireland.10,11 Cross-border movement
of people is an important part of this economic integration. Over 14,000 people regularly commute across the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland for work or study.12
4.4 We recognise that for the people of Northern Ireland and Ireland, the ability to move freely across the border is an essential part of daily life. When the UK leaves the EU we aim to have as seamless and frictionless a border as possible between Northern Ireland and Ireland, so that we can continue to see the trade and everyday movements we have seen up to now.
4.5 We will work closely to ensure that, as the UK leaves the EU, we find shared solutions to the economic challenges and maximise the economic opportunities for both the UK and Ireland.
Rights
4.6 The close historic, social and cultural ties between the UK and Ireland predate both countries’ membership of the EU and have led to the enjoyment of additional rights beyond those associated with common membership of the EU. The special status afforded to Irish citizens within the UK is rooted in the Ireland Act 1949 and, for the people of Northern Ireland, in the 1998 Belfast Agreement.
4.7 Both the UK and Irish Governments have set out their desire to protect this reciprocal treatment of each other’s nationals once the UK has left the EU. In particular, in recognition of their importance in the Belfast Agreement, the people of Northern Ireland will continue to be able to identify themselves as British or Irish, or both, and to hold citizenship accordingly.

The Common Travel Area (CTA)
The CTA is a special travel zone for the movement of people between the UK, Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. It was formed long before the UK and Ireland were members of the EU and reflects the deep-rooted, historical ties provided for by the free movement of respective members’ nationals within the CTA and the synergies between our countries. We are committed to protecting this arrangement.
The adoption of the CTA was linked to the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922, with separate legislative provision for the Crown Dependencies in 1919 and 1920. It originally arose as an administrative practice allowing free travel between CTA countries. It has since been reflected in each state’s application of national immigration policy, with all countries pursuing a common approach. With the exception of a short period during the Second World War there have not been immigration controls on journeys between CTA members.
Protocol 22 of the EU Treaties provides that the UK and Ireland may continue to make arrangements between themselves relating to the movement of people within the CTA. Nationals of CTA members can travel freely within the CTA to the UK without being subject to routine passport controls.

4.8 We want to protect the ability to move freely between the UK and Ireland, north-south and east-west, recognising the special importance of this to people in their daily lives. We will work with the Northern Ireland Executive, the Irish Government and the Crown Dependencies to deliver a practical solution that allows for the maintenance of the CTA, while protecting the integrity of the UK’s immigration system.
Our commitment
4.9 We are determined that our record of collaboration, built on shared experience and values and supported by personal, political and economic ties, continues to develop and strengthen after we leave the EU.
4.10 We will work with the Irish Government and the Northern Ireland Executive to find a practical solution that recognises the unique economic, social and political context of the land border between Northern Ireland and Ireland. An explicit objective of the UK Government’s work on EU exit is to ensure that full account is taken for the particular circumstances of Northern Ireland. We will seek to safeguard business interests in the exit negotiations. We will maintain close operational collaboration between UK and Irish law enforcement and security agencies and their judicial counterparts.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:26 am

We want to protect the ability to move freely between the UK and Ireland, north-south and east-west, recognising the special importance of this to people in their daily lives. We will work with the Northern Ireland Executive, the Irish Government and the Crown Dependencies to deliver a practical solution that allows for the maintenance of the CTA, while protecting the integrity of the UK’s immigration system.

It's just not possible is it?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:33 am

Thanks yahyah.I like Only Connect.Will have a look.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 9:37 am

Profits from the book go to a mental health charity, so it's in a good cause.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:03 am

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Bill documents — European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill 2016-17

Including amendments and how they have been selected to debate from Monday.

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:05 am

yahyah wrote:Owen Jones uses the c word about some of Corbyn's supporters. ''looks cult-like''. Good job he didn't post that on FTN before the great exodus. He'd have got his ears soundly boxed for that and likely some abuse too.

He'd back a younger leader, says he would find it difficult to vote for Corbyn, and 'loves' Ed M.

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lon ... 57501.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a great deal of the evangelist about OJ (I mean that in a good way). At the same time he's extremely perceptive and clear sighted, which makes him a target for the half crazed numpties on both ends of the political spectrum.

His family sound a pain in the arse. Former Trotskyite parents who think his pragmatic and progressive socialism isn't satisfactorily leftie enough, and (it's implied) prefer his more right on sister who works as a tattooist in Berlin. And they wanted to put him off getting involved in politics.

Fun fact that it was the Lady magazine (of all things) who published his first article, and it was a favour by its then editor Rachel Johnson, as he was broke at the time and needed the cash. Rachel J was also on his anti Trump protest. Like him she seems to be sometimes at odds with her family.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:11 am

nickyinnorfolk wrote:
yahyah wrote:Owen Jones uses the c word about some of Corbyn's supporters. ''looks cult-like''. Good job he didn't post that on FTN before the great exodus. He'd have got his ears soundly boxed for that and likely some abuse too.

He'd back a younger leader, says he would find it difficult to vote for Corbyn, and 'loves' Ed M.

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lon ... 57501.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There's a great deal of the evangelist about OJ (I mean that in a good way). At the same time he's extremely perceptive and clear sighted, which makes him a target for the half crazed numpties on both ends of the political spectrum.

His family sound a pain in the arse. Former Trotskyite parents who think his pragmatic and progressive socialism isn't satisfactorily leftie enough, and (it's implied) prefer his more right on sister who works as a tattooist in Berlin. And they wanted to put him off getting involved in politics.

Fun fact that it was the Lady magazine (of all things) who published his first article, and it was a favour by its then editor Rachel Johnson, as he was broke at the time and needed the cash. Rachel J was also on his anti Trump protest. Like him she seems to be sometimes at odds with her family.

It is all fine his saying Corbyn has been a disaster and he wouldn't vote for him now.

Who in the press was his biggest supporter? Who had written for years making the Corbynite case that led to his election?

A mea culpa is in order from OJ.

At least Monbiot has had the grace to apologise.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:18 am

Why should he apologise? The reasons *why* Corbyn won the leadership are still there and as valid as ever.

Judging by recent statements from Jarvis and Cooper, all his opponents can do is bang on about how "we aren't allowed to talk about immigration".

(a complete and manifest falsehood, it goes without saying)

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:20 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
nickyinnorfolk wrote:
yahyah wrote:Owen Jones uses the c word about some of Corbyn's supporters. ''looks cult-like''. Good job he didn't post that on FTN before the great exodus. He'd have got his ears soundly boxed for that and likely some abuse too.

He'd back a younger leader, says he would find it difficult to vote for Corbyn, and 'loves' Ed M.

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lon ... 57501.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There's a great deal of the evangelist about OJ (I mean that in a good way). At the same time he's extremely perceptive and clear sighted, which makes him a target for the half crazed numpties on both ends of the political spectrum.

His family sound a pain in the arse. Former Trotskyite parents who think his pragmatic and progressive socialism isn't satisfactorily leftie enough, and (it's implied) prefer his more right on sister who works as a tattooist in Berlin. And they wanted to put him off getting involved in politics.

Fun fact that it was the Lady magazine (of all things) who published his first article, and it was a favour by its then editor Rachel Johnson, as he was broke at the time and needed the cash. Rachel J was also on his anti Trump protest. Like him she seems to be sometimes at odds with her family.

It is all fine his saying Corbyn has been a disaster and he wouldn't vote for him now.

Who in the press was his biggest supporter? Who had written for years making the Corbynite case that led to his election?

A mea culpa is in order from OJ.

At least Monbiot has had the grace to apologise.

I thought he had, although it was on the maelstrom of Twitter so you might have missed it. Predictably he got called all sorts of names ('Tory' being regarded as much worse than the * C word, which he got called as well).

* I don't mean Corbynista for the sake of clarity

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:22 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
We want to protect the ability to move freely between the UK and Ireland, north-south and east-west, recognising the special importance of this to people in their daily lives. We will work with the Northern Ireland Executive, the Irish Government and the Crown Dependencies to deliver a practical solution that allows for the maintenance of the CTA, while protecting the integrity of the UK’s immigration system.
It's just not possible is it?

No, no its not.
Wonder why the press aren't calling them out on it?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:25 am

OJ actually wrote in a piece before JC was first elected in 2015 saying that he would face huge challenges (not least from an overwhelmingly hostile media determined to destroy him from day one) and needed to be up to them. It would appear he hasn't been, that was always a risk.

(and a reason why some of us didn't vote for him, but IMO it is unfair to claim Jones didn't go into it with his eyes open)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:29 am

Rebecca Long Bailey as leader ?
Won't get my vote, she been limp at best every time I've seen her. Another one who doesn't seem to understand the difference between "access" to single market and Membership of same.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:34 am

Good grief

Kiera
‏@KieraGorden

What happens when #Trump doesn’t like a question from a journalist. This needs to trend… #TrumpsAmerica #TrumpBan

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:38 am

Gateshead council vows to pay nothing for Trump state visit and urges other local authorities to do the same
'This guy is a bully, he's a misogynist, he's a racist... We shouldn't pay anything towards his visit'

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SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:52 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Why should he apologise? The reasons *why* Corbyn won the leadership are still there and as valid as ever.

Judging by recent statements from Jarvis and Cooper, all his opponents can do is bang on about how "we aren't allowed to talk about immigration".

(a complete and manifest falsehood, it goes without saying)

Because he has ensured that the Tories will remain in power until 2030?

Unless you think that no biggie.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:52 am

No Theresa May, 65 million of us are not behind you on Brexit
Now Parliament has a place in the process, MPs need to develop a backbone to stand up to Little Englanders.
By Alastair Campbell

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/no-theresa-may ... it-1604728" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 10:55 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:OJ actually wrote in a piece before JC was first elected in 2015 saying that he would face huge challenges (not least from an overwhelmingly hostile media determined to destroy him from day one) and needed to be up to them. It would appear he hasn't been, that was always a risk.

(and a reason why some of us didn't vote for him, but IMO it is unfair to claim Jones didn't go into it with his eyes open)

Yes.

It is clear OJ neither expected nor wanted him to win, but rather just "widen the debate".

In which case it was juvenile 6th form politics of the worst kind, and he should apologise.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 11:00 am

nickyinnorfolk wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
nickyinnorfolk wrote: There's a great deal of the evangelist about OJ (I mean that in a good way). At the same time he's extremely perceptive and clear sighted, which makes him a target for the half crazed numpties on both ends of the political spectrum.

His family sound a pain in the arse. Former Trotskyite parents who think his pragmatic and progressive socialism isn't satisfactorily leftie enough, and (it's implied) prefer his more right on sister who works as a tattooist in Berlin. And they wanted to put him off getting involved in politics.

Fun fact that it was the Lady magazine (of all things) who published his first article, and it was a favour by its then editor Rachel Johnson, as he was broke at the time and needed the cash. Rachel J was also on his anti Trump protest. Like him she seems to be sometimes at odds with her family.

It is all fine his saying Corbyn has been a disaster and he wouldn't vote for him now.

Who in the press was his biggest supporter? Who had written for years making the Corbynite case that led to his election?

A mea culpa is in order from OJ.

At least Monbiot has had the grace to apologise.
I thought he had, although it was on the maelstrom of Twitter so you might have missed it. Predictably he got called all sorts of names ('Tory' being regarded as much worse than the * C word, which he got called as well).

* I don't mean Corbynista for the sake of clarity

He hasn't.

Monbiot and Richard Murphy have both apologised.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 11:06 am

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‏@sturdyAlex

I thought this was a joke. But it's not. Genuine story in The Sun. The xenophobic angle to... well... bad weather.

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 11:13 am

AngryAsWell wrote:No Theresa May, 65 million of us are not behind you on Brexit
Now Parliament has a place in the process, MPs need to develop a backbone to stand up to Little Englanders.
By Alastair Campbell

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/no-theresa-may ... it-1604728" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow. He didn't hold back, did he?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 11:22 am

AngryAsWell wrote:Alex AndreouVerified account
‏@sturdyAlex

I thought this was a joke. But it's not. Genuine story in The Sun. The xenophobic angle to... well... bad weather.

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Some Spanish farmers are really struggling because of the floods and snow, but all Brits care about is themselves and not being able to buy a bit of out of season veg? I really hope not. It's not as if there isn't enough fruit and veg to buy in general. Indeed this year's crop of British cauliflowers have been particularly excellent and extra scrummy in a cheese sauce.

I suggest the tabloids "get over it". Most people I know are perfectly capable of adjusting to a lack of lettuce in the middle of the winter.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 11:41 am

Willow904 wrote: Most people I know are perfectly capable of adjusting to a lack of lettuce in the middle of the winter.

Yes, the thought that "who the hell eats lettuce in February anyway?" occurred to me yesterday.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 11:47 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Willow904 wrote: Most people I know are perfectly capable of adjusting to a lack of lettuce in the middle of the winter.
Yes, the thought that "who the hell eats lettuce in February anyway?" occurred to me yesterday.

(Me......*scuffs toe of shoes on floor sulking)

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:10 pm

If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a clown or a total waste of skin, it could be too late for you – you’ve already been brainwashed by a handful of foreign billionaires.

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:10 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Good grief

Kiera
‏@KieraGorden

What happens when #Trump doesn’t like a question from a journalist. This needs to trend… #TrumpsAmerica #TrumpBan

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''get out of my country'' from one of Trumps aides. Horrible.

We watched the BBC 4 programme NonOxCol recommended last night. 'The Nazis: A Warning From History', first in a series and first shown in 1997.

Anatoly told me to ignore people here who like what Trump is doing in the US, that there aren't many of them because the polls tell us so. Watching old Germans interviewed who said 'we needed a strong man' didn't exactly make Anatoly's words feel reassuring about the present situation.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:12 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Why should he apologise? The reasons *why* Corbyn won the leadership are still there and as valid as ever.

Judging by recent statements from Jarvis and Cooper, all his opponents can do is bang on about how "we aren't allowed to talk about immigration".

(a complete and manifest falsehood, it goes without saying)
Because he has ensured that the Tories will remain in power until 2030?

Unless you think that no biggie.

There is literally nothing on Earth than could "ensure" such a thing.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:21 pm

Professor BG Pollet
‏@ProfessorPollet

@The3Million @Scientists4EU PR refused! 20+yrs living, paying taxes & contributing scientifically in the UK! Unfair!

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I say more than unfair, this is getting very-USA-like scary. How the hell are we turning away professional people who have lived here for 20 years plus?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:25 pm

Temulkar wrote:If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a clown or a total waste of skin, it could be too late for you – you’ve already been brainwashed by a handful of foreign billionaires.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pi ... hed/18/08/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nobody brain washed me. I didn't want him, didn't vote for him, and still don't want him.
He's dragged the Labour party to the pits. I'm clinging on by my finger tips to my membership for one reason and one reason only.
To vote him out after we lose the next election.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:25 pm

yahyah wrote: Anatoly told me to ignore people here who like what Trump is doing in the US, that there aren't many of them because the polls tell us so. Watching old Germans interviewed who said 'we needed a strong man' didn't exactly make Anatoly's words feel reassuring about the present situation.

No, I just pointed out that Trump is not popular here - and that we should treat with scepticism vox pops trying to imply otherwise.

That doesn't mean that Trump*ism* couldn't gain serious ground (indeed, its b***ard cousin Faragism has a real following as we all know)

But something else to remember is that Trump faces massive and newly energised opposition - both in the US and elsewhere.

We are far from helpless.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:29 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
yahyah wrote: Anatoly told me to ignore people here who like what Trump is doing in the US, that there aren't many of them because the polls tell us so. Watching old Germans interviewed who said 'we needed a strong man' didn't exactly make Anatoly's words feel reassuring about the present situation.
No, I just pointed out that Trump is not popular here - and that we should treat with scepticism vox pops trying to imply otherwise.

That doesn't mean that Trump*ism* couldn't gain serious ground (indeed, its b***ard cousin Faragism has a real following as we all know)

But something else to remember is that Trump faces massive and newly energised opposition - both in the US and elsewhere.

We are far from helpless.

Fingers crossed you are right AK. See above post re professor refused permanent residence after 20 years here, I fear we are already heading to Trump land.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:31 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
Temulkar wrote:If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a clown or a total waste of skin, it could be too late for you – you’ve already been brainwashed by a handful of foreign billionaires.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pi ... hed/18/08/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nobody brain washed me. I didn't want him, didn't vote for him, and still don't want him.
He's dragged the Labour party to the pits. I'm clinging on by my finger tips to my membership for one reason and one reason only.
To vote him out after we lose the next election.

Corbyn isn't there until 2020, I am pretty convinced of that now.

And no, I don't see Long-Bailey as a possible successor - at least she is well behind in the queue (Lewis, Starmer, Rayner.....)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:35 pm

cirian75
‏@cirian75
Live in one of these towns or cities? #brexit will hit you hardest #BrexitWhitePaper

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 12:53 pm

Dylan H Morris
‏@dylanhm
Spotted by one of our deliverers in Stoke!

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Going well for UKIP in Stoke then

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 1:19 pm

Ian Birrell
‏@ianbirrell
Another choice nugget from Ken Clarke on Brexit in today's interview

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 1:33 pm

School governors threaten 'strike' over funding 'too low for even very basic education'

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 1:48 pm

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Clarke probably isn't wrong.
This is from YouGov in 2015.

edited to remove image, it came out too big even after removing 'large' from the url

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 1:56 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ouse-court" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump's courtiers bring chaotic and capricious style to White House
Two weeks in, the new administration resembles the court of a Renaissance king, with favorites infighting and Steve Bannon a Cardinal Richelieu in cargo pants

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 1:57 pm

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My job is to put a positive spin on council cuts – it's soul destroying

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:03 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:OJ actually wrote in a piece before JC was first elected in 2015 saying that he would face huge challenges (not least from an overwhelmingly hostile media determined to destroy him from day one) and needed to be up to them. It would appear he hasn't been, that was always a risk.

(and a reason why some of us didn't vote for him, but IMO it is unfair to claim Jones didn't go into it with his eyes open)

We all make mistakes. I can trust and work with people capable of admitting mistakes, making appropriate restitution and learning from error. Not everyone is equally culpable. Someone with power causes more harm and they'll have to work harder cleaning up.

I'm in the process of reconciling anger, anxiety, fear, frustration regarding our political representatives, their words and actions.

Labour is a political party, it's not perfect, Labour people aren't perfect. Media (right-wing, owned by aristocrats not giving a damn for most people) laugh at left-wingers, deride them, mock and disparage the Labour party. Labour and other left-wing organisations and the people in them are held to different standards. It's not fair. It's not fair so I work for greater justice. Those hostile to progressives must be creatively challenged and called out when different standards are applied to others. Call out hypocrisy, lies, disrespect and abusive behaviour when it's found.

I can't vote Tory/UKIP or join their party. Collectively, the Tory party MPs and membership have consistently failed to use power wholesomely. They don't just make one mistake, their party is made up of profound errors. Each Tory party person is human and that's a mercy. Their party is an abomination. Tories/UKIPers really ought think better of it all. They've not asked for my advice but I'll give it. Tory/UKIP affiliates, leave divisiveness, intolerance, elitism and parsimony out of your political parties. It's not enough to say the good words. It must be lived through in action, deeds done.

Labour was built with justice, fairness and equality for everyone. Labour have failed sometimes. Labour haven't lived up to their fine ideals. But it's not a party of failure. Labour successes are good.

Forgive yourselves when you make mistakes. Compassion comes from yourself applied to yourself. Love for others, compassion for many, is impossible when our self is unknown to us. Everything starts from the centre of ones self. I can tolerate others much better when I like and love myself. When I'm scared, angry, confused, I'm less creative, easier to break, more vulnerable, less resilient. I have to remind myself of all this all the time. I forget, I think most people do.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:04 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:07 pm

I was going to watch some cricket from South Africa on TV, but bees stopped play.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:07 pm

AngryAsWell@

This resonates with the Trump aide/news conference link you posted.
In this case it wasn't just that the reporter was told to 'get out of my country', he was imprisoned and then kicked out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... i-germany/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:12 pm

gilsey wrote:I was going to watch some cricket from South Africa on TV, but bees stopped play.

Un-bee-lievable.
Just saying that before anyone else does.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Why should he apologise? The reasons *why* Corbyn won the leadership are still there and as valid as ever.

Judging by recent statements from Jarvis and Cooper, all his opponents can do is bang on about how "we aren't allowed to talk about immigration".

(a complete and manifest falsehood, it goes without saying)
Because he has ensured that the Tories will remain in power until 2030?

Unless you think that no biggie.
There is literally nothing on Earth than could "ensure" such a thing.

Well, since our very first interactions on CiF it hasn't been your cheery optimism about the future for Labour that has been vindicated.

Corbyn won't quit. How else will he be removed? Another "coup"?

The membership has now changed too radically for it to work. This is a long-term project to transform Labour.

A normal leader would have gone when 85 percent of the PLP called for him to go. He isn't a normal leader.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:14 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... inequality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Universal basic income can help battle inequality

DWP
"In addition to ESA, we also offer support through Personal Independence Payments, to help with the extra costs associated with being disabled"

Why aid them?