Monday 6th February 2017

Post by **refitman** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 8:53 pm

Oh, and for any rugby fans on here. RIP Joost van der Westhuizen. One of the finest scrum halves to play the game.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:03 pm

New clause 3 defeated ayes 284 noes 333 #article50bill

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:06 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:23 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... commons-eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What happens next with the Brexit bill?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:28 pm

https://www.ft.com/content/0f186b5e-ec7 ... 9a44939bb6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FT

Student loan bonds: subprime scholars
While there is little threat to stability, taxpayers are likely to be long-term losers

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:34 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Steve Bell on John Bercow and Donald Trump

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:37 pm

HindleA wrote:frog222

Some discussion here,if you haven't seen:-

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... -loan-book" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"" Erudio was forced to apologise after complaints about a series of administrative errors that resulted in graduates receiving letters telling them they must pay, even though their earnings had not reached the repayment level. ""

That was the Vulture-Type Fund at work

Clever Cnuts turning dross into gold have been around for RATHER a long time ....

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:38 pm

Adrian Short ‏@adrianshort 8h8 hours ago

Theresa May is right to say that there are 65 million people backing Brexit. Most of them are in Russia and the USA though

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:53 pm

Tory MP for Forest of Dean Mark Harper is currently filibustering the devolved institutions' amendments I hear.

During an already absurdly short process, this is quite shameful.

They will pay for this. I'm sure very many of the 52% will be shocked that Parliament is not being allowed to scrutinise the legislation.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:57 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Tory MP for Forest of Dean Mark Harper is currently filibustering the devolved institutions' amendments I hear.

During an already absurdly short process, this is quite shameful.

They will pay for this. I'm sure very many of the 52% will be shocked that Parliament is not being allowed to scrutinise the legislation.

There is clearly no majority for any of these amendments. The opposition don't need to be bought off, as they've promised to vote for it regardless of any amendments. Don't get too upset. It is irrelevant.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:58 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Tory MP for Forest of Dean Mark Harper is currently filibustering the devolved institutions' amendments I hear.

During an already absurdly short process, this is quite shameful.

They will pay for this. I'm sure very many of the 52% will be shocked that Parliament is not being allowed to scrutinise the legislation.

There is clearly no majority for any of these amendments. The opposition don't need to be bought off, as they've promised to vote for it regardless of any amendments. Don't get too upset. It is irrelevant.

I'm angry simply because it's an abuse of democracy. Full stop.

The court have said there shall be debate and scrutiny. And so there should be.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 9:59 pm

The jelly is back.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:00 pm

HindleA wrote:The jelly is back.

Wibble wobble

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:00 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
HindleA wrote:The jelly is back.
Wibble wobble

Well mainly wibble really

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:03 pm

My usual tardiness in response times,applies.Hence out of intended sequence.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:17 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ing-needed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Guardian view on the NHS: more cash, less dog-whistling needed

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:18 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw

Steve Bell on John Bercow and Donald Trump

...and on the BBC news- Farage on John Bercow and Donald Trump

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:18 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Tory MP for Forest of Dean Mark Harper is currently filibustering the devolved institutions' amendments I hear.

During an already absurdly short process, this is quite shameful.

They will pay for this. I'm sure very many of the 52% will be shocked that Parliament is not being allowed to scrutinise the legislation.

There is clearly no majority for any of these amendments. The opposition don't need to be bought off, as they've promised to vote for it regardless of any amendments. Don't get too upset. It is irrelevant.
I'm angry simply because it's an abuse of democracy. Full stop.

The court have said there shall be debate and scrutiny. And so there should be.

I've watched lots of it. It has been dreadful@ Parliament at its worst. So instead of scrutinising what kind of Brexit we will get, we've had a re-run of the referendum. Embarrassingly bad.

If you think back to how John Smith humiliated Major over Maastricht, the uselessness of the current Parliament becomes glaring.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:24 pm

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... angry.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why is no one talking about the angry Remainers?

Mainlymacro

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:24 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
The women all have a disadvantage which I doubt the change in the composition of the membership has altered.

Nah, not really. The female candidates and would-be candidates in the last couple of years failed because they got their *political* offerings wrong.

Quite a few Labour members would like to vote for a woman leader - but not at any price.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:41 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
The women all have a disadvantage which I doubt the change in the composition of the membership has altered.
Nah, not really. The female candidates and would-be candidates in the last couple of years failed because they got their *political* offerings wrong.

Quite a few Labour members would like to vote for a woman leader - but not at any price.

If Andy "Safety of our Streets" Burnham can beat the best of them, as can Tom "stop sneering" Watson, I am not sure the evidence supports you.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:44 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
The women all have a disadvantage which I doubt the change in the composition of the membership has altered.
Nah, not really. The female candidates and would-be candidates in the last couple of years failed because they got their *political* offerings wrong.

Quite a few Labour members would like to vote for a woman leader - but not at any price.

Yes. The because it's time line from Kendall and Cooper wasn't smart back in 2015. Seems like a lifetime ago!

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:45 pm

Gosh, Brigitte Trogneuz is 24 years older than Macron.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 10:51 pm

Wimbledon's Tory Stephen Hammond

Stephen Hammond MPVerified account
‏@S_Hammond

Met with the Secretary of State for Brexit this evening. Made the case yet again for a vote before a deal is agreed, or if there is no deal

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 11:00 pm

Sorry if we've already done this, but this is proposed amendment NC99

“Parliamentary approval of the final terms of withdrawal from the EU
The United Kingdom shall withdraw from the EU once either—
(a) Royal Assent is granted to an Act of Parliament that approves—
(i) the arrangements for withdrawal, and
(ii) the future relationship between the United Kingdom and the EU
as agreed to between the United Kingdom and EU, or
(b) Royal Assent is granted to an Act of Parliament that approves the United Kingdom’s withdrawal without an agreement being reached between the United Kingdom and the EU.”

Member’s explanatory statement
This new clause aims to embed parliamentary sovereignty throughout the process and requires primary legislation to give effect to any agreement on withdrawal or for withdrawal without such an agreement.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 11:02 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:09 am

MPs are now voting on NC4, an amendment tabled by Labour’s front bench. This is what it says:

Joint Ministerial Committee (EU Negotiations)

(1) In negotiating and concluding any agreements in accordance with Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, Ministers of the Crown must consult, and take into account the views of, a Joint Ministerial Committee at intervals of no less than two months and before signing any agreements with the European Commission.

(2) In the course of consulting under subsection (1), the Secretary of State must seek to reach a consensus with the devolved administrations on— (a) the terms of withdrawal from the European Union, and (b) the framework for the United Kingdom’s future relationship with the European Union.

(3) Subject to subsection (4) The Joint Ministerial Committee shall consist of— (a) the Prime Minister, (b) Ministers of the Crown, (c) the First Minister of Scotland and a further representative of the Scottish Government, (d) the First Minister of Wales and a further representative of the Welsh Government, and (e) the First Minister of Northern Ireland, the Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland and a further representative of the Northern Ireland Executive.

(4) The Prime Minister may, for the purposes of this Act, determine that the Joint Ministerial Committee shall consist of representatives of the governing authorities of the United Kingdom, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:10 am

MPs have voted down the Labour amendment requiring the government to consult Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland during the Brexit talks by 333 votes to 276 - a majority of 57.

Post by **refitman** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:22 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
The women all have a disadvantage which I doubt the change in the composition of the membership has altered.
Nah, not really. The female candidates and would-be candidates in the last couple of years failed because they got their *political* offerings wrong.

Quite a few Labour members would like to vote for a woman leader - but not at any price.

If Andy "Safety of our Streets" Burnham can beat the best of them, as can Tom "stop sneering" Watson, I am not sure the evidence supports you.

I'm sorry. Are you really saying that Cooper and Kendall were the best candidates in 2015?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:22 am

MPs vote on SNP amendment saying government should agree Brexit plan with Scotland

MPs are now voting on an SNP amendment, NC26. It is the one Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh moved earlier, using Theresa May’s own words from July last year about getting a UK-wide approach to Brexit. It says:

Agreement of the Joint Ministerial Committee on European Negotiation

The Prime Minister may not exercise the power under section 1(1) until at least one month after all members of the Joint Ministerial Committee on European Negotiation have agreed a UK-wide approach to, and objectives for, the UK’s negotiations for withdrawal from the EU

Labour abstaining.332-62

Post by **refitman** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:24 am

refitman wrote:And this is Bercow's comments on Trump:
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I think this demonstrates why Bercow was A) right to make the comment when he did and B) make the comment itself.

According to Parliamentary procedure, Bercow is responsible for people guest speaking in parts of the Commons and is also responsible for the integrity of Parliament.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:35 am

Indeed.

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MPs are now voting on the lead Plaid Cymru amendment, NC158. This is what it says:

Continued levels of EU funding for Wales

Before the Prime Minister exercises the power under section 1, the Secretary of State must lay a report before— (a) Parliament, and (b) the National Assembly for Wales outlining the effect of the United Kingdom’s withdrawal from the EU on the National Assembly for Wales’ block grant.

MPs have voted down the Plaid Cymru amendment by 330 votes to 267 - a majority of 63.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:52 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -new-homes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Councils to be told to build thousands more new homes
Housing white paper to outline plans to ensure many more houses are built ‘in the places that people want to live’

"Councils will be ordered to build thousands more homes, with an emphasis on high-rise blocks and city centre developments, as part of the government’s housing strategy."

The shadow housing secretary, John Healey, called the plans “feeble beyond belief” and said the government’s record on home-building over the past five years spoke for itself.

“After seven years of failure and 1,000 housing announcements, the housing crisis is getting worse, not better,” he said. “There are 200,000 fewer homeowners, homelessness has doubled, and affordable house-building has slumped to a 24-year low.”

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 12:54 am

Law change demands equal treatment for disabled taxi users

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/law- ... taxi-users" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Taxi drivers face a fine of up to £1,000 if they refuse to transport wheelchair users or attempt to charge them extra, in a change to the law announced today (7 February 2017) by Transport Minister Andrew Jones.

From 6 April taxi and private hire vehicle drivers will be obliged by law to:

transport wheelchair users in their wheelchair
provide passengers in wheelchairs with appropriate assistance
charge wheelchair users the same as non-wheelchair users"

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 1:44 am

Jellycat Hugo Hare
http://www.temptationgifts.com/product/ ... m-jellycat

Hugo Hare has such beautiful fur, so magically mottled in bluey grey. Hugo's ears are adorably perky, and help him listen when out in the woods. This pink-nosed poppet is very shy and needs a bit of looking after. In return, he'll show you how to hop. One, two, three - away!

Unfortunately, doesn't come in Green, just mottled bluey grey, but it's definitely a jelly cat & does have a certain Eeyore air about it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 2:26 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 65946.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour slams ‘feeble’ Government plans to solve housing crisis

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 2:28 am

"Crucially, the Government’s long awaited housing white paper includes measures that would effectively scrap the Coalition 2010 housebuilding planning framework and return to a system that bears stronger similarities to the one they inherited from Labour in 2010.
The Coalition government abolished nationally set housing targets and allowed local councils to estimate their own housing demanding using local methods. As a result, 40 per cent of planning authorities do not have an up to date plan to meet demand, Government sources admitted on Monday night."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 2:33 am

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update ... n-trapped/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Housing delays leave disabled man 'trapped'
A severely disabled young man trapped in a cramped attic flat has told housing officials that their failure to re-house him has left him wishing he was dead.

We highlighted paraplegic Robert Carver's desperate situation here on Meridian four months ago. Brighton and Hove City Council promised urgent action.

That was sixteen weeks ago, and while Robert's case is extreme it is by no means unique. John Ryall has this report.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 3:08 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ks-to-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Radio 4 presenter Steve Hewlett told he 'only has weeks to live'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 3:13 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... epublicans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obamacare: Trump pushes back plan to replace legislation as popularity grows
The president said new healthcare plan may not arrive until 2018 despite prior timelines, as Republicans face pressure to present alternative before repealing

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 6:38 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ks-to-live

Radio 4 presenter Steve Hewlett told he 'only has weeks to live'

We've been listening to the Eddie Mair podcasts with Steve Hewlett each week. It's been a hard listen at times.