Thursday 9th February 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 7:25 pm

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/gr ... s-inquiry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Green Party calls on government to launch benefit deaths inquiry

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 7:27 pm

Thanks Refitman, Adam (and Paul).

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 7:30 pm

It's a pity people leave.
It's a pity people drive people away.
I hope I'm not one of them (I know I'm obsessed with Brexit) and wholeheartedly apologise if that is the case.

Division is something I seek to avoid.
Unsuccessfully.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 7:35 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/au ... cs-podcast" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The housing crisis, the Brexit bill and the French election – Politics Weekly podcast

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 7:43 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... h#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Family doctors in Bournemouth have set up the first private GP service at which people who pay up to £145 a time will be seen faster and get longer appointments than their NHS patients.

The creation of the clinic has prompted fears that other GPs will follow suit and that NHS patients will become “second-class citizens” as general practice increasingly becomes a two-tier health service.

Seems similar to the way dental care and opticians have gone.

People will end up having to go private whether they want to or not because there won't be enough NHS GPs to meet demand.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 7:55 pm

MP tables motion of no confidence in John Bercow over Trump comments

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... p-comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

oh jesus christ

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:02 pm

citizenJA wrote:
MP tables motion of no confidence in John Bercow over Trump comments

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... p-comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
oh jesus christ

He's not available right now. But, if you have £145. you can boost yourself further up the queue.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:04 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -of-horses

Concerns raised over Brexit impact on free movement of horses

How much did Totilas sell for?
In October 2010, it was announced that sport horse breeder Paul Schockemöhle had purchased Moorlands Totilas. The sale price was not disclosed, but rumors have circulated that the price was in the range of €9.5 million to as high as €15 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totilas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the dressage, show jumping & evening world there are lots of Totilas.
The sports horse industry (for that's what it is) contributes millions to the economy.
(and that's separate to the racing industry contribution)

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:12 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -of-horses

Concerns raised over Brexit impact on free movement of horses
The sports horse industry (for that's what it is) contributes millions to the economy.
(and that's separate to the racing industry contribution)

...and the profit on supermarket lasagne.

A tasteless comment, I know.

I'll get my coat.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:22 pm

Toby tickled me,not saying where.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:30 pm

Toby is a very naughty boy.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:42 pm

Hope he is keeping warm,it's bloody freezing here.(He's not far away but in the wrong County)
I'm a mother hen at heart,certainly I do a lot of clucking about.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:45 pm

Just had a lasagne by coincidence.It was neigh bad.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:49 pm

HindleA wrote:Just had a lasagne by coincidence.It was neigh bad.

A Galloping Gourmet recipe?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:53 pm

Mock all you like, the equestrian industry brings in vast sums of money to our economy, and unless they sort it properly studs/breeders will simply move abroad.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 8:53 pm

Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS

The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:

Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),

Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,

Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,

Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,

Assurances about the role of devolved governments,

The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,

Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,

And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:06 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:06 pm

Not mocking.Making jokes or attempts at humour,doesn't mean you are making light of or happy about something.I think laughter in the face of/despite ;people are different.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:12 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS

The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:

Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),

Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,

Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,

Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,

Assurances about the role of devolved governments,

The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,

Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,

And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.

(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:12 pm

C4 promoting the next Garage

Alt-Right’s Jack Buckby Slammed By Barbara Ntumy After Channel 4 News Comments

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/b ... 8562184916" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

I saw the interview last night and was appalled that they gave him the oxygen of publicity

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:17 pm

HindleA wrote:Not mocking.Making jokes or attempts at humour,doesn't mean you are making light of or happy about something.I think laughter in the face of/despite ;people are different.

Yes, sorry, we really need a tongue-in-cheek emoticon, realise the laughter in my head and pretend petulance did not really work there

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:19 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS

The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:

Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),

Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,

Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,

Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,

Assurances about the role of devolved governments,

The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,

Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,

And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.

(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).

The border will have to be rUK and NI.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:23 pm

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:25 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS

The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:

Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),

Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,

Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,

Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,

Assurances about the role of devolved governments,

The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,

Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,

And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.

(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
The border will have to be rUK and NI.

But, but... May says no hard border ... I don't think she's thought it through.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:26 pm

Evening all. Thursday is swimming with Y5 and then seminar up in town. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it...

Nicky Morgan: U-turn White Paper was my proudest achievement

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... chievement

Nicky Morgan has said her proudest achievement as education secretary was the schools White Paper – which she was forced to U-turn on and which prompted legislation which was later scrapped.

Yes, that was the WP which flew in the face if the rhetoric about giving schools autonomy and was going to force them to move to academy status. So bad the whole WP was scrapped after her own backbenchers complained.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:32 pm

A row over money could derail Brexit talks before they have begun
The risk of talks blowing up is greater than many realise

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/2 ... t?fsrc=rss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:34 pm

Nick Clegg ‏@nick_clegg 10h10 hours ago
Total myth that a vote against govt on art 50 would have blocked Brexit. Instead would have forced govt to come back with better Brexit plan

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:38 pm

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7887" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

House of Commons Library

Bereavement Support Payment

Not the lightest of topics.A mixed bag,some improvement-increased lump and extension by six months- exemption from benefit cap,not so good for those with children.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:41 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.

(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
The border will have to be rUK and NI.
But, but... May says no hard border ... I don't think she's thought it through.

Can anybody identify anything she (or her accomplices) have thought through?

Can't see the idea of a closed internal "border" within the UK going down too well either in NI (effectively cutting them off) or the EU (no control).
Needing a passport or ID to go from one part of the UK to another wouldn't be popular (even if it's workable).

edited to sort out the quotes (I think).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:53 pm

No.
Me neither
True

As far as I can tell()

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 9:59 pm

An EU Minister Told Theresa May To Stop Lying About Freedom Of Movement
“This alternative fact – or let’s call it what it is, a lie – once again resurfaced in Theresa May’s speech. Let’s move beyond such tactics and build our new relationship on facts and respect, not populism and lies.”
“We are a bit confused – the main idea of a fairer, more open, and more global Britain seems nice on paper, but how do you want to be open when one of the key elements of the plan is to stop the inflow of bright and hardworking people from all over the world that invested so much of their energy into making Britain great?”
Referring to the prime minister’s recent speech where she set out her 12-point Brexit plan, the Czech minister added: “Once more, Theresa May mentioned the abuse of … freedom of movement as the reason for this plan.
“A quick fact check – studies have repeatedly shown this is not the case. Yet here we are. Still wasting our time explaining these alternative facts but these claims [are] still a part of the ‘reasoning’.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardell ... .kcDqqNab6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:04 pm

HindleA wrote:No.
Me neither
True

As far as I can tell()

Some 'thinking outside the box' needed.

What about the EU becoming, on paper, part of the UK. No - I haven't thought it through as that's not compulsory.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:08 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/di ... irror_main" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Disabled pregnant woman finds cruel note calling her "fat lazy c***" after parking in parent and child space

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:12 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
HindleA wrote:No.
Me neither
True

As far as I can tell()
Some 'thinking outside the box' needed.

What about the EU becoming, on paper, part of the UK. No - I haven't thought it through as that's not compulsory.

Wasn't there some talk, at some point, of areas (like ports and big bits of factories) becoming "economic areas" so they could be "deemed" to be in the EU?
Or am I dreaming....
("Economic areas" is not the right term but can't think of right one, like duty free shops in airports)

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:14 pm

You're not dreaming. It was suggested with the Nissan factory in Sunderland.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:16 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS

The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:

Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),

Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,

Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,

Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,

Assurances about the role of devolved governments,

The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,

Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,

And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.

(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
The border will have to be rUK and NI.

Won't VAT have to be aligned?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:26 pm

Ring any bells with our farmers?
California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/c ... share&_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:30 pm

Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here

Vocal Europe
‏@thevocaleurope

BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet

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Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:33 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
The border will have to be rUK and NI.
Won't VAT have to be aligned?

Don't see why - the RoI rate is different to UK rate anyway. Trying to align NI & RoI rates would be a nightmare for HMRC though.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:37 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here

Vocal Europe
‏@thevocaleurope

BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.html

Post by **adam** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:39 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:C4 promoting the next Garage

Alt-Right’s Jack Buckby Slammed By Barbara Ntumy After Channel 4 News Comments

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/b ... 8562184916" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

I saw the interview last night and was appalled that they gave him the oxygen of publicity

They had David Irving on tonight to express his disgust at google autosuggesting 'the holocaust is ... a hoax'. I hear Tom Lehrer just etc etc...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:41 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here

Vocal Europe
‏@thevocaleurope

BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.html

Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfully

Post by **adam** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:42 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here

Vocal Europe
‏@thevocaleurope

BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.html
Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfully

The telegraph reported it as 'explosion at nuclear plant near channel islands'.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:45 pm

adam wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.html
Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfully
The telegraph reported it as 'explosion at nuclear plant near channel islands'.

Sounds like we're gearing up to live as though Europe doesn't actually exist at all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:48 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... viser-says" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hospitals are in 'state of war', government adviser says
Adviser to Jeremy Hunt warns of ‘very, very difficult’ time as NHS posts worst ever performance on waiting times

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:50 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... e-17-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Parliament’s 17-vote censure for FA is more a whimper than a roar
David Conn

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 10:50 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
adam wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfully
The telegraph reported it as 'explosion at nuclear plant near channel islands'.
Sounds like we're gearing up to live as though Europe doesn't actually exist at all.

Tbf, it's not far from the CI !
How long till the "Fog in Channel - Continent Cut Off" headline becomes a reality?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 11:19 pm

Interesting on a few levels...

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects

Fairford North (Cotswold) result:
LDEM: 68.1% (+40.2)
CON: 30.1% (-20.9)
GRN: 1.8% (+1.8)
UKIP didn't stand this time round.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 11:20 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... hold-order" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump travel ban: judges uphold order to prevent enforcement
Judges upheld order issued last week to prevent 90-day travel ban from seven Muslim-majority countries and 120-day freeze on US admission of any refugees

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 09 Feb, 2017 11:28 pm

Hmm...

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 38s38 seconds ago

Kingswood & Hazel Leys (Corby) result:
LAB: 64.6% (+10.3)
CON: 26.7% (+12.5)
GRN: 8.7% (-1.1)
No UKIP candidate

That last line is the most interesting given the result I posted just now.