Thursday 9th February 2017
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Thanks Refitman, Adam (and Paul).
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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It's a pity people leave.
It's a pity people drive people away.
I hope I'm not one of them (I know I'm obsessed with Brexit) and wholeheartedly apologise if that is the case.
Division is something I seek to avoid.
Unsuccessfully.
It's a pity people drive people away.
I hope I'm not one of them (I know I'm obsessed with Brexit) and wholeheartedly apologise if that is the case.
Division is something I seek to avoid.
Unsuccessfully.
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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People will end up having to go private whether they want to or not because there won't be enough NHS GPs to meet demand.
Seems similar to the way dental care and opticians have gone.Family doctors in Bournemouth have set up the first private GP service at which people who pay up to £145 a time will be seen faster and get longer appointments than their NHS patients.
The creation of the clinic has prompted fears that other GPs will follow suit and that NHS patients will become “second-class citizens” as general practice increasingly becomes a two-tier health service.
People will end up having to go private whether they want to or not because there won't be enough NHS GPs to meet demand.
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oh jesus christMP tables motion of no confidence in John Bercow over Trump comments
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He's not available right now. But, if you have £145. you can boost yourself further up the queue.citizenJA wrote:oh jesus christMP tables motion of no confidence in John Bercow over Trump comments
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How much did Totilas sell for?HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -of-horses
Concerns raised over Brexit impact on free movement of horses
In October 2010, it was announced that sport horse breeder Paul Schockemöhle had purchased Moorlands Totilas. The sale price was not disclosed, but rumors have circulated that the price was in the range of €9.5 million to as high as €15 million.
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In the dressage, show jumping & evening world there are lots of Totilas.
The sports horse industry (for that's what it is) contributes millions to the economy.
(and that's separate to the racing industry contribution)
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...and the profit on supermarket lasagne.AngryAsWell wrote:The sports horse industry (for that's what it is) contributes millions to the economy.HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -of-horses
Concerns raised over Brexit impact on free movement of horses
(and that's separate to the racing industry contribution)
A tasteless comment, I know.
I'll get my coat.
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Toby tickled me,not saying where.
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Hope he is keeping warm,it's bloody freezing here.(He's not far away but in the wrong County)
I'm a mother hen at heart,certainly I do a lot of clucking about.
I'm a mother hen at heart,certainly I do a lot of clucking about.
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Just had a lasagne by coincidence.It was neigh bad.
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A Galloping Gourmet recipe?HindleA wrote:Just had a lasagne by coincidence.It was neigh bad.
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Mock all you like, the equestrian industry brings in vast sums of money to our economy, and unless they sort it properly studs/breeders will simply move abroad.
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Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS
The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:
Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),
Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,
Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,
Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,
Assurances about the role of devolved governments,
The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,
Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,
And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
EIGHT AMENDMENTS
The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:
Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),
Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,
Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,
Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,
Assurances about the role of devolved governments,
The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,
Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,
And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Goodnight, everyone.
love,
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love,
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Not mocking.Making jokes or attempts at humour,doesn't mean you are making light of or happy about something.I think laughter in the face of/despite ;people are different.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS
The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:
Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),
Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,
Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,
Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,
Assurances about the role of devolved governments,
The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,
Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,
And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.
(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
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C4 promoting the next Garage
Alt-Right’s Jack Buckby Slammed By Barbara Ntumy After Channel 4 News Comments
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I saw the interview last night and was appalled that they gave him the oxygen of publicity
Alt-Right’s Jack Buckby Slammed By Barbara Ntumy After Channel 4 News Comments
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/b ... 8562184916" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
I saw the interview last night and was appalled that they gave him the oxygen of publicity
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Yes, sorry, we really need a tongue-in-cheek emoticon, realise the laughter in my head and pretend petulance did not really work thereHindleA wrote:Not mocking.Making jokes or attempts at humour,doesn't mean you are making light of or happy about something.I think laughter in the face of/despite ;people are different.
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The border will have to be rUK and NI.Eric_WLothian wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS
The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:
Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),
Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,
Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,
Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,
Assurances about the role of devolved governments,
The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,
Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,
And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.
(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
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But, but... May says no hard border ... I don't think she's thought it through.SpinningHugo wrote:The border will have to be rUK and NI.Eric_WLothian wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS
The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:
Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),
Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,
Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,
Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,
Assurances about the role of devolved governments,
The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,
Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,
And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.
(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
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Evening all. Thursday is swimming with Y5 and then seminar up in town. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it...
Nicky Morgan: U-turn White Paper was my proudest achievement
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Nicky Morgan: U-turn White Paper was my proudest achievement
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Yes, that was the WP which flew in the face if the rhetoric about giving schools autonomy and was going to force them to move to academy status. So bad the whole WP was scrapped after her own backbenchers complained.Nicky Morgan has said her proudest achievement as education secretary was the schools White Paper – which she was forced to U-turn on and which prompted legislation which was later scrapped.
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A row over money could derail Brexit talks before they have begun
The risk of talks blowing up is greater than many realise
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The risk of talks blowing up is greater than many realise
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Nick Clegg @nick_clegg 10h10 hours ago
Total myth that a vote against govt on art 50 would have blocked Brexit. Instead would have forced govt to come back with better Brexit plan
Total myth that a vote against govt on art 50 would have blocked Brexit. Instead would have forced govt to come back with better Brexit plan
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Bereavement Support Payment
Not the lightest of topics.A mixed bag,some improvement-increased lump and extension by six months- exemption from benefit cap,not so good for those with children.
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Bereavement Support Payment
Not the lightest of topics.A mixed bag,some improvement-increased lump and extension by six months- exemption from benefit cap,not so good for those with children.
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Can anybody identify anything she (or her accomplices) have thought through?AngryAsWell wrote:But, but... May says no hard border ... I don't think she's thought it through.SpinningHugo wrote:The border will have to be rUK and NI.Eric_WLothian wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.
(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
Can't see the idea of a closed internal "border" within the UK going down too well either in NI (effectively cutting them off) or the EU (no control).
Needing a passport or ID to go from one part of the UK to another wouldn't be popular (even if it's workable).
edited to sort out the quotes (I think).
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No.
Me neither
True
As far as I can tell()
Me neither
True
As far as I can tell()
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An EU Minister Told Theresa May To Stop Lying About Freedom Of Movement
“This alternative fact – or let’s call it what it is, a lie – once again resurfaced in Theresa May’s speech. Let’s move beyond such tactics and build our new relationship on facts and respect, not populism and lies.”
“We are a bit confused – the main idea of a fairer, more open, and more global Britain seems nice on paper, but how do you want to be open when one of the key elements of the plan is to stop the inflow of bright and hardworking people from all over the world that invested so much of their energy into making Britain great?”
Referring to the prime minister’s recent speech where she set out her 12-point Brexit plan, the Czech minister added: “Once more, Theresa May mentioned the abuse of … freedom of movement as the reason for this plan.
“A quick fact check – studies have repeatedly shown this is not the case. Yet here we are. Still wasting our time explaining these alternative facts but these claims [are] still a part of the ‘reasoning’.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardell ... .kcDqqNab6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“This alternative fact – or let’s call it what it is, a lie – once again resurfaced in Theresa May’s speech. Let’s move beyond such tactics and build our new relationship on facts and respect, not populism and lies.”
“We are a bit confused – the main idea of a fairer, more open, and more global Britain seems nice on paper, but how do you want to be open when one of the key elements of the plan is to stop the inflow of bright and hardworking people from all over the world that invested so much of their energy into making Britain great?”
Referring to the prime minister’s recent speech where she set out her 12-point Brexit plan, the Czech minister added: “Once more, Theresa May mentioned the abuse of … freedom of movement as the reason for this plan.
“A quick fact check – studies have repeatedly shown this is not the case. Yet here we are. Still wasting our time explaining these alternative facts but these claims [are] still a part of the ‘reasoning’.”
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Some 'thinking outside the box' needed.HindleA wrote:No.
Me neither
True
As far as I can tell()
What about the EU becoming, on paper, part of the UK. No - I haven't thought it through as that's not compulsory.
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Disabled pregnant woman finds cruel note calling her "fat lazy c***" after parking in parent and child space
Disabled pregnant woman finds cruel note calling her "fat lazy c***" after parking in parent and child space
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Wasn't there some talk, at some point, of areas (like ports and big bits of factories) becoming "economic areas" so they could be "deemed" to be in the EU?Eric_WLothian wrote:Some 'thinking outside the box' needed.HindleA wrote:No.
Me neither
True
As far as I can tell()
What about the EU becoming, on paper, part of the UK. No - I haven't thought it through as that's not compulsory.
Or am I dreaming....
("Economic areas" is not the right term but can't think of right one, like duty free shops in airports)
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You're not dreaming. It was suggested with the Nissan factory in Sunderland.
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Won't VAT have to be aligned?SpinningHugo wrote:The border will have to be rUK and NI.Eric_WLothian wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how RoI can be in the EU and NI out, without a closed border (or free movement of people). The same applies to Sturgeon's demands for a separate immigration policy for Scotland.AngryAsWell wrote:Labour Lords face down abolition threats and table eight amendments to Article 50 bill
EIGHT AMENDMENTS
The eight amendments from Labour’s frontbench in the Lords are:
Guaranteeing the UK Parliament will vote on the final deal before the European Parliament (something the Government conceded in the Commons, but did not put into legislation),
Quarterly reports from the Government on the progress of negotiations,
Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals living in the UK,
Prioritising trade arrangements and cooperation with the EU,
Assurances about the role of devolved governments,
The publication of impact assessments on the implications of future trade arrangements,
Separating out the process of leaving Euratom to leaving the EU,
And requiring the Government to have regard to the Good Friday Agreement.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -and-table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In both cases, a migrant could just go to whichever country has the easiest entry requirements and then get a train to wherever they really want to be.
(Network Rail may have already seen a possible business opportunity - they're planning longer platforms at Edinburgh Waverly to take longer ECML trains).
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Ring any bells with our farmers?
California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
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California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
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Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here
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BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet
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Vocal Europe
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BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet
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Don't see why - the RoI rate is different to UK rate anyway. Trying to align NI & RoI rates would be a nightmare for HMRC though.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Won't VAT have to be aligned?SpinningHugo wrote:
The border will have to be rUK and NI.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.htmlAngryAsWell wrote:Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here
Vocal Europe
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BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet
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They had David Irving on tonight to express his disgust at google autosuggesting 'the holocaust is ... a hoax'. I hear Tom Lehrer just etc etc...AngryAsWell wrote:C4 promoting the next Garage
Alt-Right’s Jack Buckby Slammed By Barbara Ntumy After Channel 4 News Comments
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/b ... 8562184916" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
I saw the interview last night and was appalled that they gave him the oxygen of publicity
I still believe in a town called Hope
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Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfullyEric_WLothian wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.htmlAngryAsWell wrote:Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here
Vocal Europe
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BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet
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The telegraph reported it as 'explosion at nuclear plant near channel islands'.AngryAsWell wrote:Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfullyEric_WLothian wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.htmlAngryAsWell wrote:Any more new on the French explosion? Look big on here
Vocal Europe
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BREAKING | Major Explosion at #Flamanville nuclear power plant in #France. The reason of the explosion is not known yet
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I still believe in a town called Hope
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Sounds like we're gearing up to live as though Europe doesn't actually exist at all.adam wrote:The telegraph reported it as 'explosion at nuclear plant near channel islands'.AngryAsWell wrote:Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfullyEric_WLothian wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70876.html
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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Hospitals are in 'state of war', government adviser says
Adviser to Jeremy Hunt warns of ‘very, very difficult’ time as NHS posts worst ever performance on waiting times
Hospitals are in 'state of war', government adviser says
Adviser to Jeremy Hunt warns of ‘very, very difficult’ time as NHS posts worst ever performance on waiting times
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Parliament’s 17-vote censure for FA is more a whimper than a roar
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Parliament’s 17-vote censure for FA is more a whimper than a roar
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Tbf, it's not far from the CI !tinyclanger2 wrote:Sounds like we're gearing up to live as though Europe doesn't actually exist at all.adam wrote:The telegraph reported it as 'explosion at nuclear plant near channel islands'.AngryAsWell wrote: Thank you, so not as bad as it looked - thankfully
How long till the "Fog in Channel - Continent Cut Off" headline becomes a reality?
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Re: Thursday 9th February 2017
Interesting on a few levels...
Britain Elects
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Fairford North (Cotswold) result:
LDEM: 68.1% (+40.2)
CON: 30.1% (-20.9)
GRN: 1.8% (+1.8)
UKIP didn't stand this time round.
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Re: Thursday 9th February 2017
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Trump travel ban: judges uphold order to prevent enforcement
Judges upheld order issued last week to prevent 90-day travel ban from seven Muslim-majority countries and 120-day freeze on US admission of any refugees
Trump travel ban: judges uphold order to prevent enforcement
Judges upheld order issued last week to prevent 90-day travel ban from seven Muslim-majority countries and 120-day freeze on US admission of any refugees
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Re: Thursday 9th February 2017
Hmm...
That last line is the most interesting given the result I posted just now.Britain Elects @britainelects 38s38 seconds ago
Kingswood & Hazel Leys (Corby) result:
LAB: 64.6% (+10.3)
CON: 26.7% (+12.5)
GRN: 8.7% (-1.1)
No UKIP candidate
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