Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th February 2017

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 7:24 pm

Geert fucking Wilders. Trump. Le Pen. Putin.

Anyone going to join the dots for the British public? Nah, that would be "unhelpful".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 7:48 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Geert fucking Wilders. Trump. Le Pen. Putin.

Anyone going to join the dots for the British public? Nah, that would be "unhelpful".

Le Pen - is there new information? Polling data?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:12 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... akeoverbid" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kraft Heinz withdraws Unilever takeover bid
US food giant pulls out of merger talks in a surprise turn of events with both companies jointly announcing ‘no deal’

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:13 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... uk-history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stop Trump group aims for biggest protests in UK history

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:15 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ot-working" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Guardian view on vocational education: choice at 14 is not working
Editorial

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:17 pm

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... _dt_fb_bot" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Too Close for Comfort

How much do the early days of the Trump administration look like the Third Reich? Historian Richard Evans weighs in.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:18 pm

yahyah wrote:Eric - what do you make of this ?

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/second-sc ... ng-called/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure our collective nerves will be able to stand another slog it out independence referendum.

First thing to remember is that BFS is essentially an SNP front group with few, if any, prominent members. (It has been referred to in the past as 'corner shops for Scotland').
There's an analysis of the members (at the time of the indy ref) here:
http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/search ... r+scotland

The director (pre-referendum) was one Michelle Thomson who subsequently became an SNP MP (but is now helping the police with their inquiries).

Much as the SNP (and Greens) appear on the surface to want another referendum, I'm doubtful whether the SNP hierarchy are enthusiastic - it would be an all-or-nothing gamble and nothing has changed with regard to currency, finance or EU membership since 2014. (Assuming Brexit happens, Scotland will be out, independent or not).

The Scottish Parliament needs Westminster approval to hold a meaningful referendum. I've seen it suggested that they could have an advisory one - but unless there was a big turnout, it would be pretty much irrelevant!

Tbh, I don't see May being sympathetic.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:20 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -press-law" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Support a free press – don’t judge it
Peter Preston

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:23 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... ace-center" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpaceX successfully launches and lands Falcon rocket from historic spaceport
Launching voyage to International Space Station, Falcon 9 rocket takes off from launchpad that was home to some of Nasa’s best-known missions

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:30 pm

HindleA wrote: SpaceX successfully launches and lands Falcon rocket from historic spaceport

For a moment, I thought somebody must have patched up Peenemunde.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:41 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-39002561" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dorchester Prison affordable homes decision criticised

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:43 pm

(pretends not to have to look that up)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:45 pm

Though from a "military" family,my knowledge is sparse(in general it has to be said)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:54 pm

Was in the Air Training Corps for a couple of hours,not my thing,preferred re-enacting Mick Jones '72 dislocated shoulder walk up to the Royal Box,I actually did this in the old Wembley when they opened it up for a half marathon,having a fag in the Royal Box an added extra.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 8:58 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Geert fucking Wilders. Trump. Le Pen. Putin.

Anyone going to join the dots for the British public? Nah, that would be "unhelpful".
Le Pen - is there new information? Polling data?

Hopefully not. Nor for Wilders getting into power.

Was making the point that these nationalists are pulling Europe apart, and Brexit's part of that. Not that the 52% are even a half Le Pen-Wilders types, but what they voted for is being used by them.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:03 pm

FWIW

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion ... tion,_2017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_g ... tion,_2017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:07 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
yahyah wrote:Eric - what do you make of this ?

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/second-sc ... ng-called/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure our collective nerves will be able to stand another slog it out independence referendum.
First thing to remember is that BFS is essentially an SNP front group with few, if any, prominent members. (It has been referred to in the past as 'corner shops for Scotland').
There's an analysis of the members (at the time of the indy ref) here:
http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/search ... r+scotland

The director (pre-referendum) was one Michelle Thomson who subsequently became an SNP MP (but is now helping the police with their inquiries).

Much as the SNP (and Greens) appear on the surface to want another referendum, I'm doubtful whether the SNP hierarchy are enthusiastic - it would be an all-or-nothing gamble and nothing has changed with regard to currency, finance or EU membership since 2014. (Assuming Brexit happens, Scotland will be out, independent or not).

The Scottish Parliament needs Westminster approval to hold a meaningful referendum. I've seen it suggested that they could have an advisory one - but unless there was a big turnout, it would be pretty much irrelevant!

Tbh, I don't see May being sympathetic.

I don't why Sturgeon's not committing wholeheartedly to Soft Brexit and shelving independence till that's gone- and it's not yet certain it won't happen. She might sting rUK Labour and Tory Remainers into better opposition, for a start. Clegg said that there was a soft Brexit with immigration brakes on offer.

I think it looks too soon for a second vote, even if Brexit is a big change, hence the poor poll numbers for Indy. Couple of years of Article 50, more time till the final deal is done, then it looks different. She can say she's "reluctantly" had to revisit Indy.

Is she worried about indy-frothers in her party?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:11 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... it-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Populist correctness: the new PC culture of Trump's America and Brexit Britain
Arwa Mahdawi

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:13 pm

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/19/ ... fired.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fox News Trashes Trump As President’s Attacks On The Media Have Totally Backfired

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:18 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-39002561

Dorchester Prison affordable homes decision criticised

Doesn't look good.

Same thing happens in London, but they have some experience of negotiating decent sized payments from the developers in lieu. I'm generally OK with that.

Do we know if there was a decent payment here?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:23 pm

Don't know,looking for more info.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:23 pm

HindleA wrote:FWIW

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion ... tion,_2017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_g ... tion,_2017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like Wilders falling back.

Hope his "scum" comment about Moroccans hurts him too.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:24 pm

(pretends to have a clue)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:32 pm

HindleA wrote:(pretends to have a clue)

Tubby Isaacs writing about rampant nationalism, leaders of nations denigrating other people and using that fervour, fear and anxiety to control people. If I've misunderstood you or TI, please accept my apologies.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:38 pm

By the time I respond,it usually appears out of sequence,I should contain a quote or an @ of what I am replying to.In this case self deprecation as to Dorchester Prison decision.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:39 pm

Except now.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:48 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:
yahyah wrote:Eric - what do you make of this ?

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/second-sc ... ng-called/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure our collective nerves will be able to stand another slog it out independence referendum.
First thing to remember is that BFS is essentially an SNP front group with few, if any, prominent members. (It has been referred to in the past as 'corner shops for Scotland').
There's an analysis of the members (at the time of the indy ref) here:
http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/search ... r+scotland

The director (pre-referendum) was one Michelle Thomson who subsequently became an SNP MP (but is now helping the police with their inquiries).

Much as the SNP (and Greens) appear on the surface to want another referendum, I'm doubtful whether the SNP hierarchy are enthusiastic - it would be an all-or-nothing gamble and nothing has changed with regard to currency, finance or EU membership since 2014. (Assuming Brexit happens, Scotland will be out, independent or not).

The Scottish Parliament needs Westminster approval to hold a meaningful referendum. I've seen it suggested that they could have an advisory one - but unless there was a big turnout, it would be pretty much irrelevant!

Tbh, I don't see May being sympathetic.
I don't why Sturgeon's not committing wholeheartedly to Soft Brexit and shelving independence till that's gone- and it's not yet certain it won't happen. She might sting rUK Labour and Tory Remainers into better opposition, for a start. Clegg said that there was a soft Brexit with immigration brakes on offer.

I think it looks too soon for a second vote, even if Brexit is a big change, hence the poor poll numbers for Indy. Couple of years of Article 50, more time till the final deal is done, then it looks different. She can say she's "reluctantly" had to revisit Indy.

Is she worried about indy-frothers in her party?

As I see it, she's not pushing for a UK soft Brexit because that's not in her interest. The SNP (and Sturgeon in particular) have only one policy - independence. She was widely reported as saying 'independence transcends everything'.
She's pushing for a separate EU deal for Scotland - impossible imo without a hard border with England. (May is, however, going to have to square that circle in Ireland).
A hard Brexit will add to the SNP perceived grievances with Westminster, which is in their interest. The SNP have a very similar problem to Labour - their vote was split between leave and remain.
They've lost their majority in Holyrood and are now dependent on the Greens to support any push for independence.
Polls seem to confirm that support for indy has changed little since the EU referendum. Failing to secure a majority in an indyre2 would surely see the end of Sturgeon, if not the SNP. Better, I would think, to throw some red meat to the faithful to keep them on side but hold back on actually trying to deliver indyref2 for the time being.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:54 pm

citizenJA wrote:
HindleA wrote:(pretends to have a clue)
Tubby Isaacs writing about rampant nationalism, leaders of nations denigrating other people and using that fervour, fear and anxiety to control people. If I've misunderstood you or TI, please accept my apologies.

Ha, no problem.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:59 pm

Regeneration projects: opportunities for investment
Department for International Trade

https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... evelopment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:06 pm

https://www.mencap.org.uk/get-involved/ ... ot-okcupid" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Valentine's Day Update:
OkCupid have responded to our call to remove a discriminatory question towards people with learning disability from their website, and have committed to taking the following question down:
'Would the world be a better place if people with low IQs were not allowed to reproduce?'
At Mencap, we believe that everyone has the right to find love.
This is a great step forward, but we know that we still have a long way to go.

Disagree with great step forward,more fucking smaller goose step.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:12 pm

Some of the remorseless barrage of front-page stories seem to get omitted

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ane-abbott" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:17 pm

Sweden to Trump: What happened last night?

Sweden's Aftonbladet website helpfully summarised the day in news, which included:
A man setting himself on fire at a plaza in central Stockholm
Famous singer Owe Thornqvist suffering technical problems in rehearsals for the aforementioned Melfest
A man killed in workplace accident
Road closures in northern Sweden due to "harsh weather"
Police car chase through central Stockholm of a suspected drunk driver

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39020962

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:19 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... etail-boom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this the end of UK's retail boom?
Larry Elliott

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:21 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ali-market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suicide bomber kills dozens in Somali market
The attack highlights the challenges faced by new president Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, especially from Al Shabaab

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:28 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the ... a89a7a27e2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

The Benefits and Challenges of Parenting with a Disability

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:29 pm

Tragic that we are still having to combat eugenicist thpught.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:31 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... uk-history

Stop Trump group aims for biggest protests in UK history

I hope that is a bloody big mirror that they plan to hold up to our own society.

While I am commenting, that list above; please add the Bullingdon boys and friends, Mrs May.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:43 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:44 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... order-soft" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Guardian view on the Northern Ireland election: vote to keep the border soft
Editorial

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:44 pm

Reasons to expand a business to the UK
Why more overseas companies set up in the UK than anywhere else in Europe.
Why overseas companies should set up in the UK
19 February 2017
Promotional material
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -in-the-uk

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:48 pm

UK industry sectors
Guides on industries in the UK including opportunities for investment.
Visit http://www.great.gov.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to see our new guides for:

Advanced manufacturing
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Retail

https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... -to-the-uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:49 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:50 pm

#The Donald

My statement as to what's happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that was broadcast on @FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:53 pm

A lot of the publications are thrown together from years ago but a lot was uploaded today 19 February 2017

https://www.great.gov.uk/uk/
Welcome to Great!

The website link above is new
I think it's a little undignified maybe

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:59 pm

HindleA wrote:Regeneration projects: opportunities for investment
Department for International Trade

https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... evelopment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scary splashy vapid

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 11:02 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.mencap.org.uk/get-involved/ ... ot-okcupid

Valentine's Day Update:
OkCupid have responded to our call to remove a discriminatory question towards people with learning disability from their website, and have committed to taking the following question down:
'Would the world be a better place if people with low IQs were not allowed to reproduce?'
At Mencap, we believe that everyone has the right to find love.
This is a great step forward, but we know that we still have a long way to go.

Disagree with great step forward,more fucking smaller goose step.

Have just arrived here fresh from reading about a case in Leicester that had that kind of attitude at is heart. Horrific is not the word, didn't think before that such people existed. The story is out there, not hard to find, a young learning disabled man lured into a park last summer. July I believe. Personally I believe that it is not the people with learning disabilities that need not to reproduce, but the scum who torment and kill them.

Post by **adam** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 11:07 pm

The very very best thing I have read all day and for quite a while, from one of the graun stories about Trump's atrocity in Sweden...

One of Sweden’s official Twitter accounts, controlled by a different citizen each week, currently a school librarian, ...

Sorry, let's just run by that again.

* Sweden has 'official' "SWEDEN" twitter accounts.
* They give the accounts randomly to different 'ordinary' people so they can tweet as "SWEDEN"

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 11:10 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Post by **adam** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 11:12 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:What specifically have the Greens said that prevents you voting for them? Is it central to their message?

As I said, it's a local thing rather than anything else - bunch of alt-lifestyle hippies, anti-vax, alternative medicine. Not quite the 'you can't replace a structure with a structure' of the 1980s green party but getting there. I'm aware this is not an accurate reflection of the party's national policy positions. I probably will vote for them anyway, to be honest, but I'm not going to get enthusiastic about it. I can't imagine getting very enthusiastic about anything that really matters.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 19 Feb, 2017 11:16 pm

@seeingclearly

Yeah,read story.