Give me strength.May says she is proud of her record on the NHS. (PMQs - Politics Live, Guardian)
Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Ah, I was referring to Blair. I hope that clears up any confusion. I confess it does read ambiguously.howsillyofme1 wrote:On the link.....and? Doesn't say anything about her being plausible outside the PLP....and nothing really new here except Waugh bugging up one of his matesSpinningHugo wrote:howsillyofme1 wrote:Can you answer two questions from assertions you have made (with no data)
Why Yvette Cooper is a plausible Labour leader and with whom?
Why is Theresa May a serious leader?
Cooper, from last night
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I am not quite sure where you think I have praised May for anything other than her political skill in springing this snap general election. As I said yesterday, she was a terrible Home Secretary, and is a Beta leader that any decent leader of the opposition would beat easily.
And you referred to May as a serious leader further up the page
But I do support the general point. If (bit IF) May does want a deal with the EU, then a serious opposition would help her to face down the nutjobs on the Tory right.
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Osborne quits
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That's a good line.Corbyn says this year Philip Hammond said the deficit would be eliminated in 2022. He does admire Tory consistency. They always want to eliminate the deficit in five years time. How long will it be before debt comes down? (Politics Live, Guardian)
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I've had a while to consider this, and I genuinely think Theresa May is a monster.
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There are times when I think the money spent paying for the site would be better spent on something constructive.
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I will just once break my rules of ignoring anything you post to point out responding to my posts is pointless if you yourself expect an answer.Temulkar wrote:Another day where some people carp on about their own party whilst the Tories literally get away with murder, or are you just running disruption for Theresa these days? If you cant support labour fine, admit you're voting for someone else, support them and present the arguments for their election, but this unending incessant droning whine about corbyn is fuck-knuckle boring.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Another reason Corbyn could do the country a massive favour by standing aside for a more mainstream candidate. Why willingly play the role of patsy in her poisonous game?NonOxCol wrote:Not much to argue against here:
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When real life feels like a history textbook, and a pretty basic one at that.
Release the Guardvarks.
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Perhaps because you don't have an answer?
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Stop trolling. I note that you are currently hammering Hugo for answering a question you posted yourself.howsillyofme1 wrote:Perhaps because you don't have an answer?
Release the Guardvarks.
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I think that really is fair enough.refitman wrote:There are times when I think the money spent paying for the site would be better spent on something constructive.
When attempts were being made to widen readership, reaching out btl on the G and via Twitter, then the site was more constructive than now, I think. But I would certainly miss FTN if it were to be wound up. It has brought together some of my favourite posters from the G.
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
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PF have you sorted out your tobacco shortage problem?I can arrange next day delivery by my people if necessary.
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Also arranging clog production,if anybody is interested,for the saboteurs among you.
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In the early days FTN was mentioned/plugged by Andrew Sparrow. It was a refreshing change from the shitstorm that was often going on BLT at the Graun. Very little camaraderie here nowadays.Willow904 wrote:I think that really is fair enough.refitman wrote:There are times when I think the money spent paying for the site would be better spent on something constructive.
When attempts were being made to widen readership, reaching out btl on the G and via Twitter, then the site was more constructive than now, I think. But I would certainly miss FTN if it were to be wound up. It has brought together some of my favourite posters from the G.
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I am not trolling....just would like to see an answer as to why you always give the Tories the benefit of the doubt and what particular parts of the Tory 'menu' you are keen on?TechnicalEphemera wrote:Stop trolling. I note that you are currently hammering Hugo for answering a question you posted yourself.howsillyofme1 wrote:Perhaps because you don't have an answer?
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Also what makes you think May is a better PM than Corbyn would be....i think she is hopeless as she has demonstrated again today
You must think she has something good about her though as you attack Corbyn mercilessly
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@TobyLatimer
Hello! Nice to hear from you.
Hello! Nice to hear from you.
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It is indeed.I wave in his direction at 06.30ish in the mornings,whilst he is waiting for his care workers,its only a few miles away,I am sure with an appropriate telescope he can see.
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Oh, I do love it when supergroups do a greatest hits tour. No Stills, Nash and Young, of course, but you can't have it all.It is a choice between strength and unity with the Conservatives, and division and weakness with the SNP, she says.
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Okay....will dotinyclanger2 wrote:Please don't start on our volunteer mods. They're not obliged to try to police this increasingly strange locale and we would be lost without them.
On Hugo - I've stayed out of this mostly, but I would say that whether s/he intends it or not, the board often degenerates into unpleasantness when s/he's fanning the flames of discontent. On the other hand, I always like hearing from TE and Tubby just as much as I enjoyed hearing from Ephemerid and Toby. PF goes without saying - oil/troubled waters (she's the former). Tolerance is what the board intended.
I think, and have said this before, it would do everyone a favour if we proceeded as follows:
If YOU think someone is a troll (or whatever the appropriate term) do not engage with them and leave it at that.
This will reduce the troll-other poster arguments, while managing to avoid inadvertently banning someone who is simply a poor communicator, and avoid kicking someone off who other people like engaging with. If there was someone here one of us would like to see the back of (for whatever reason) but other people enjoyed chatting with them, how would that work?
(PS: don't be cross, am not trying to kick up a fuss here, just want things here to get/stay better).
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Well that is my vote cast.Unfortunately,they must be tightening up,only one,Tarquin is inconsolable.
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Hello PF, and thankyouPorFavor wrote:@TobyLatimer
Hello! Nice to hear from you.
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I rarely post here these days and often don't read. The reason is that every day I know that 3 or 4 posters will dominate the board with their anti-Corbyn doginamangerism.
I also miss many of the old posters who were so knowledgable. There are still some good posters on here mind but the board is dominated by the PLP fans.
Apparently, so SH tells us, anyone who voted for Corbyn is a fool. Well of course they are: they disagree with SH who is ALWAYS right about EVERYTHING.
Bertrand Russell said:
Just my thoughts like.
I also miss many of the old posters who were so knowledgable. There are still some good posters on here mind but the board is dominated by the PLP fans.
Apparently, so SH tells us, anyone who voted for Corbyn is a fool. Well of course they are: they disagree with SH who is ALWAYS right about EVERYTHING.
Bertrand Russell said:
Now we've lost AK and seem likely to lose refitman as well. Maybe the nuisances could pipe down a bit.The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.
Just my thoughts like.
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They can't even get that right.In the Commons yesterday David Lidington, the leader of the Commons, told MPs that he expected to byelection to be cancelled. He said the acting returning officer had the discretion to do this.
But today Manchester’s acting returning officer Joanne Roney said she did not have the legal power to call the vote off. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Step forward, Lady Jane Grey.
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A reply telling me you won't reply is still a breath of fresh air, compared to the usual tedious whining circle jerk with Tubby and Hugo. Its like a bitterite production of the Three Amigos bitchin about El Guapo.I will just once break my rules of ignoring anything you post to point out responding to my posts is pointless if you yourself expect an answer.
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Viewing is the eye of the beholder,as they say.Responding or not is not forced.
As ever,I'm sick of "x" competes with "x" and mysteriously the mention of "x",ever dominates.
As I have just done,of course.
As ever,I'm sick of "x" competes with "x" and mysteriously the mention of "x",ever dominates.
As I have just done,of course.
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@Toby sent a message by carrier pigeon,his name is Lenny,not the most reliable and should have retired a few years ago to be honest but likes to be helpful.May take a few days but hopefully should arrive in the next few days,unless he eats it.
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I disagree with tubby and TE on many things, but am happy to see them here, because their posts are short and to the point and not all over the board, every day. The point of this board being to air different points of view, or I thought it was.
A N Other poster just goes on and on and on and on........... Like a mosquito buzzing round your ears.
I'm prepared to believe that those engaging with it have good intentions, but in practice they only encourage it.
A N Other poster just goes on and on and on and on........... Like a mosquito buzzing round your ears.
I'm prepared to believe that those engaging with it have good intentions, but in practice they only encourage it.
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Actually I am bit miffed,despite strenuous efforts in at least getting a warning-I gave myself one recently in desperation,nothing.
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Shall we have leadership debates after all?
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522 Ayes 13 Noes. More than 100 abstentions.
The game's afoot.
The game's afoot.
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gilsey wrote:I disagree with tubby and TE on many things, but am happy to see them here, because their posts are short and to the point and not all over the board, every day. The point of this board being to air different points of view, or I thought it was.
A N Other poster just goes on and on and on and on........... Like a mosquito buzzing round your ears.
I'm prepared to believe that those engaging with it have good intentions, but in practice they only encourage it.
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gilsey wrote:I disagree with tubby and TE on many things, but am happy to see them here, because their posts are short and to the point and not all over the board, every day. The point of this board being to air different points of view, or I thought it was.
A N Other poster just goes on and on and on and on........... Like a mosquito buzzing round your ears.
I'm prepared to believe that those engaging with it have good intentions, but in practice they only encourage it.
Thanks, appreciate that. I respect you too, and agree with more of it than I give the impression of doing.
Having a rest from here, because I think I get too carried away with election fever. Will pop in though, I'm sure.
Hoping that Welsh Labour do a bit more on the Single Market- after a bad start, been a bit more promising. I will then probably vote for our leader, Carwyn Jones.
See you all soon, and really hope AK is back. And thanks to Dan for modding and Paul for constructive informal modding.
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If she is dragged to the leadership debates, she is finished. Im struck today but just how very weak she is, both as a leader and her political position. As the polls narrow - which they will - panic will set in with Theresa. A few charges being brought in teh election fraud, even if it's only Makinlay, and a hung Parliament really would not surprise me.
Corbyn isnt Milliband but May most certainly hasnt got Cameron's glib smarm. Caroline Lucas isn't Natalie Bennett either...
Corbyn isnt Milliband but May most certainly hasnt got Cameron's glib smarm. Caroline Lucas isn't Natalie Bennett either...
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Dear Stat-Xplore registered user,
We want to let you know about a new database that has been introduced to DWP's Stat-Xplore today. This new database is Employment and Support Allowance (ESA).
ESA is an income replacement benefit for people below state pension with a health condition or disability.
The database holds (mis) information about people claiming ESA, including:
• Geographical breakdowns
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We want to let you know about a new database that has been introduced to DWP's Stat-Xplore today. This new database is Employment and Support Allowance (ESA).
ESA is an income replacement benefit for people below state pension with a health condition or disability.
The database holds (mis) information about people claiming ESA, including:
• Geographical breakdowns
• Age
• Gender
• Ethnicity
• Medical condition
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Strictly confidential,apparently.
To the tower with me.
To the tower with me.
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Once I understood to the best of my knowledge what you're writing about the commentator was likely true, I declared it here on FlyTheNest, my friends supported me and I was free. It happened within moments. I'm uncertain the exact psychological mechanism liberating me from all my anger towards the commentator. I know who I am and I've little idea who the commentator is or the purpose of their commentary. And that's fine. It doesn't matter. I'll not move or motivate SpinningHugo. There's likely no meaningful exchange to be had there. I'm unbothered. Have your say out and be done, my friend. I ask your pardon if I've caused offence, I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm offering you my own experience because your time and energy are precious.howsillyofme1 wrote:And let your shit go unchallenged....no!
If I block you then you will still be there with your concern troll posts
Who said you are a 'plant'.......that assumes you have been put here specifically to do a job
I just think you are a Tory troll/wum
Apologies to everyone for going off-topic, I'll write no more about it.
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Good-afternoon, everyone.
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She's admitted her plans on the NHS. If we want a functional NHS, don't return a T May Tory government.PorFavor wrote:Give me strength.May says she is proud of her record on the NHS. (PMQs - Politics Live, Guardian)
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Hear hearWillow904 wrote:I think that really is fair enough.refitman wrote:There are times when I think the money spent paying for the site would be better spent on something constructive.
When attempts were being made to widen readership, reaching out btl on the G and via Twitter, then the site was more constructive than now, I think. But I would certainly miss FTN if it were to be wound up. It has brought together some of my favourite posters from the G.
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Why have the stat website if they're not going to let people see the data?HindleA wrote:Strictly confidential,apparently.
To the tower with me.
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@cja
I can exclusively reveal,according to my polls,Labour is winning by one vote,locally,subject to verification.As usual,apart from Labour,on the ball as ever here,I will receive bollox from other parties or hopefully visitations from their representatives,so the letter box shredder is primed and dependent on mood,either sing the red flag to dissuade further inquiry or listen patiently and politely but unequivocally state my position.I used to put a vote Labour poster,but the Tories here are of the particularly stupid brand and despite seeing this,still asked me as to which way I would be voting.
I can exclusively reveal,according to my polls,Labour is winning by one vote,locally,subject to verification.As usual,apart from Labour,on the ball as ever here,I will receive bollox from other parties or hopefully visitations from their representatives,so the letter box shredder is primed and dependent on mood,either sing the red flag to dissuade further inquiry or listen patiently and politely but unequivocally state my position.I used to put a vote Labour poster,but the Tories here are of the particularly stupid brand and despite seeing this,still asked me as to which way I would be voting.
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TobyLatimer wrote:Hello PF, and thankyouPorFavor wrote:@TobyLatimer
Hello! Nice to hear from you.
Wonderful you're here!
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I am jesting.Just the usual e-mail thing "if not intended recipient."
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Well that's enough comradely nonsense.Bloody hard work it was too.You are all a shower of shits,non more so than me.Ban me you bastards.
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I'm still herefrightful_oik wrote:I rarely post here these days and often don't read. The reason is that every day I know that 3 or 4 posters will dominate the board with their anti-Corbyn doginamangerism.
I also miss many of the old posters who were so knowledgable. There are still some good posters on here mind but the board is dominated by the PLP fans.
Apparently, so SH tells us, anyone who voted for Corbyn is a fool. Well of course they are: they disagree with SH who is ALWAYS right about EVERYTHING.
Bertrand Russell said:Now we've lost AK and seem likely to lose refitman as well. Maybe the nuisances could pipe down a bit.The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.
Just my thoughts like.
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I am now officially my Aunt's Attorney,wonder if there is a badge or similar.
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I'm sick and tired of your one-upmanship.HindleA wrote:Well that's enough comradely nonsense.Bloody hard work it was too.You are all a shower of shits,non more so than me.
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Or a hat,would do.
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Well fucking make a request to have me bloody banned,damn you all.
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Not happy about the NEC announcement that Labour members won't have any opportunity to select their own candidates for this GE.
Smells of a convenient Watson/McNicol stitch-up, I'm afraid.
Smells of a convenient Watson/McNicol stitch-up, I'm afraid.
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