Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Wednesday 26th April 2017
Morning all.
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Monbiot 2015
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Monbiot 2017
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I like Monbiot a lot. He, Jones and Toynbee are, I think, the only ones who can write reasonably well on the Graun. He also discusses and researches interesting things slightly off the beaten track.
But his judgement is terrible.
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Monbiot 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... heresa-may" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I like Monbiot a lot. He, Jones and Toynbee are, I think, the only ones who can write reasonably well on the Graun. He also discusses and researches interesting things slightly off the beaten track.
But his judgement is terrible.
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Good-morning, everyone
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Morning all.
Ashworth did a good job on Today.
I rather liked the kidnapping of the phrase "long term plan" to use it in terms of the NHS. Ditto the focus on safety of patients.
Ashworth did a good job on Today.
I rather liked the kidnapping of the phrase "long term plan" to use it in terms of the NHS. Ditto the focus on safety of patients.
Re: Wednesday 26th April 2017
Morning.
I've calmed down now, you'll be glad to hear. Labour just need to not mention Brexit, really. Still, good move to unveil their biggest asset today. If Jeremy Hunt doesn't convince people to vote Labour, I don't know what will.
I've calmed down now, you'll be glad to hear. Labour just need to not mention Brexit, really. Still, good move to unveil their biggest asset today. If Jeremy Hunt doesn't convince people to vote Labour, I don't know what will.
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It's an unprecedented situation Tory incompetence have created for country and people. It's Tory disaster leadership placing the UK in an untenable domestic and international position. Labour don't need to apologise for Cameron's miscalculation and current government chaos.
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Older people want to be cared for at home. Micro-providers are the answer
A scheme in rural Somerset has plugged the social care gap for 700 people and could be a model for the rest of the UK
Older people want to be cared for at home. Micro-providers are the answer
A scheme in rural Somerset has plugged the social care gap for 700 people and could be a model for the rest of the UK
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Yet another outlier
Panelbase:
CON 49 (+10)
LAB 27 (-4)
LD 10 (+4)
UKIP 5 (-9)
SNP 5 (=)
GRN 3 (-2)
I wonder what Labour could now do to change this?
Panelbase:
CON 49 (+10)
LAB 27 (-4)
LD 10 (+4)
UKIP 5 (-9)
SNP 5 (=)
GRN 3 (-2)
I wonder what Labour could now do to change this?
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Morning.
Oh my fucking GOD, this man (not Ian, the complete twat he's referring to)!
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He leaves me virtually speechless, even allowing for the Etonian self-certainty and general foul arrogance I already knew about. Can you even begin to imagine his memoirs...?
Oh my fucking GOD, this man (not Ian, the complete twat he's referring to)!
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He leaves me virtually speechless, even allowing for the Etonian self-certainty and general foul arrogance I already knew about. Can you even begin to imagine his memoirs...?
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"I thought I'd be rather good at it. And I was", the perfect titleNonOxCol wrote:Morning.
Oh my fucking GOD, this man (not Ian, the complete twat he's referring to)!
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He leaves me virtually speechless, even allowing for the Etonian self-certainty and general foul arrogance I already knew about. Can you even begin to imagine his memoirs...?
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Economic Competence Revisited
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Economic Competence Revisited
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Good morfternoon.
(And a belated "night night" to HindleA.)
(And a belated "night night" to HindleA.)
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This looks important for two reasons
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/j ... 7a21c5?5pg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
First it gives an indication of the seats Labour thinks it cannot defend.
Second, and more importantly, by my reckoning that means three more Corbynistas, which with overall numbers falling, might be enough to get one nominated after the election.
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First it gives an indication of the seats Labour thinks it cannot defend.
Second, and more importantly, by my reckoning that means three more Corbynistas, which with overall numbers falling, might be enough to get one nominated after the election.
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Ipsos/Mori
Conservative
49 +6
Labour
26 -4
Lib Dem
13 =
Ukip
4- 2
1,004 21-25 April
A fair amount of bouncing around with that one. Looks like the calling of the election has concentrated minds.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 24136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Conservative
49 +6
Labour
26 -4
Lib Dem
13 =
Ukip
4- 2
1,004 21-25 April
A fair amount of bouncing around with that one. Looks like the calling of the election has concentrated minds.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 24136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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It's none of my business, (other than how it's all everyone's business) but there is such a difference in tone between this and the frankly sneering poll post a little way up the page that I don't know why you have to do the sneery thing.SpinningHugo wrote:Ipsos/Mori
Conservative
49 +6
Labour
26 -4
Lib Dem
13 =
Ukip
4- 2
1,004 21-25 April
A fair amount of bouncing around with that one. Looks like the calling of the election has concentrated minds.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 24136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I still believe in a town called Hope
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Big Dick Little Willie Lilley (according to Who's Who)not standing again.
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I'm reading as usual but on the iPad because my laptop is kaput, so not posting much because as an oldish person I'm useless without a keyboard.
If I retweet something on twitter that you like, feel free to link it here, don't assume I will, e.g. flipchartrick's map of Wales.
The only way there could be a good outcome from this election is if an awful lot of poor and young people vote who've never voted before, not likely is it.
If I retweet something on twitter that you like, feel free to link it here, don't assume I will, e.g. flipchartrick's map of Wales.
The only way there could be a good outcome from this election is if an awful lot of poor and young people vote who've never voted before, not likely is it.
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Has someone told Dave what 'populism' means? He doesn't seem to know.NonOxCol wrote:Morning.
Oh my fucking GOD, this man (not Ian, the complete twat he's referring to)!
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He leaves me virtually speechless, even allowing for the Etonian self-certainty and general foul arrogance I already knew about. Can you even begin to imagine his memoirs...?
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The citizen family are holding you personally responsible for Labour's electoral success on June 8 2017. You best get in it to win it.SpinningHugo wrote:Yet another outlier
Panelbase:
CON 49 (+10)
LAB 27 (-4)
LD 10 (+4)
UKIP 5 (-9)
SNP 5 (=)
GRN 3 (-2)
I wonder what Labour could now do to change this?
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Lilley played himself as the Nazi concentration commander in the film Spitting Image,for those who don't know.
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A pleasant pension triple lock pincer movement from Corbyn and Robertson there.
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He's actively working against,on moral grounds according to his own stated objectives.Essential ingredient of being a grade one arse is that sometimes you appear not to be.Take it from an expert.
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It's not just us then:
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I assume that's a hint...gilsey wrote:I'm reading as usual but on the iPad because my laptop is kaput, so not posting much because as an oldish person I'm useless without a keyboard.
If I retweet something on twitter that you like, feel free to link it here, don't assume I will, e.g. flipchartrick's map of Wales.
The only way there could be a good outcome from this election is if an awful lot of poor and young people vote who've never voted before, not likely is it.
Do you mean this chart?:
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You know, when Newsnight went to Wrexham last night , we thought they were being a bit naughty only talking to old people, as they are always more likely to vote Tory pretty much everywhere. "Can't they find any young people?" we cried, sarcastically. But apparently not, it seems!
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UKIP at just 4% in the latest MORI poll, pretty astonishing.
Obviously their collapse is a big part of the huge Tory scores, but its reasonable to assume much of this new support is soft and quite possibly detatchable in the campaign.
Obviously their collapse is a big part of the huge Tory scores, but its reasonable to assume much of this new support is soft and quite possibly detatchable in the campaign.
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Interesting to note the featured scheme workers do just under 16 hours a week. Which just happens to be the cut off point for various forms of means testing. Also they do not do personal care. So many of their clients will be self funding and or/on personal budgets. As a model for roll out in my area unviable because the allowed amount of home help support is one hour a week. And you have to be really incapable of looking after your home to get that. I don't know of anyone who could run a home, able or not on just an hours work.HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... s-somerset
Older people want to be cared for at home. Micro-providers are the answer
A scheme in rural Somerset has plugged the social care gap for 700 people and could be a model for the rest of the UK
Forgive me my scepticism, but really sorting out old Christmas cards is not what people will be doing. Unless of course the client is well off enough to employ you to do that and pays through the nose for more targetted help.
I forgot to look at where this is buried in the Guardian, A, but it was deep enough to garner a single comment in five hours! No doubt it will get touted as a solution in some report somewhere or another!
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Jolyon Maugham is providing some light relief today, which is nice
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Well, this is being widely reported on Twitter
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Tricky one. I'd still want Labour to push for and reference the need for debates.NonOxCol wrote:Well, this is being widely reported on Twitter
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NonOxCol wrote:Well, this is being widely reported on Twitter
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Makes sense. It's unlikely that they would ostentatiously "empty chair" Theresa May which would have made it worthwhile to turn up. Labour should keep up the pressure on her to turn up, though. And make it clear that if she does, then they will.
(Bit worried that she might pull a flanker on this one now, though, and be a (very) late "wild card" entry! I'd put nothing past the Conservatives and, of course, the media would bend over backwards to acommodate her.)
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It very much depends on if the broadcasters are actually willing to "empty chair" May or not.
The symbolism of that would be powerful, even to some "floating" voters.
If they are, yes they should definitely go ahead. If not, I'm not so sure......
The symbolism of that would be powerful, even to some "floating" voters.
If they are, yes they should definitely go ahead. If not, I'm not so sure......
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Afternoon all. Back from an all morning meeting at school.
Should the CEO of a so-called "politically independent charity" get so wound up about a report criticizing a government department?Toby YoungVerified account @toadmeister 23m23 minutes ago
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The Public Accounts Committee report is Labour propaganda, pure and simple
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David Ward gets the boot as LibDem candidate for (Lab/Lib marginal) Bradford East. At least that's one overt anti-semite who won't be in the HoC come June, then.
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There are so many awful people around these days it's almost easy to forget one of the evergreen worst of all:
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There was another LibDem who was going to stand in Luton who got kicked out too the other day for the same reason - his utterances were far worse.AnatolyKasparov wrote:David Ward gets the boot as LibDem candidate for (Lab/Lib marginal) Bradford East. At least that's one overt anti-semite who won't be in the HoC come June, then.
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In further light relief, Paul "4 per cent" Nuttall has apparently compared himself to Mahatma Gandhi
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Afternoon all
I read with interest this point about not attending the debates without May
I would love to see an empty seat for May and how silly it makes her look. However, from that moment on the reality is that they will all then go for Corbyn and Labour, and attack him - because, actually, he will be somewhat constrained in that he can actually form a Government and the others won't
Also these parties are not competeing against one another to any great extent - they are all chasing Labour voters and that is wherre the rich pickings will be. No mileage in Sturgeon going for Lucas, or Wood going for Farron
You can just see Wood (not standing herself though and tribally anti-Labour), Lucas (she will want to hold her seat vs Labour), Farron (no need to say what these yellow Tory supporters would do), UKIP (they have lost all the Tories so now they will pretend to be socialist) and Sturgeon (tribally anti-Labour and she has to makes sure none of those ex-Labour voters ever think of going back) would play it
May would sit at home and watch it being difficult for her at the beginning but you cannot debate or shout at an empty chair so in the end it would become Corbyn vs the Rest
So in summary, the first 2 minutes without May would be funny but from then on it will be open warfare on the Tories
I read with interest this point about not attending the debates without May
I would love to see an empty seat for May and how silly it makes her look. However, from that moment on the reality is that they will all then go for Corbyn and Labour, and attack him - because, actually, he will be somewhat constrained in that he can actually form a Government and the others won't
Also these parties are not competeing against one another to any great extent - they are all chasing Labour voters and that is wherre the rich pickings will be. No mileage in Sturgeon going for Lucas, or Wood going for Farron
You can just see Wood (not standing herself though and tribally anti-Labour), Lucas (she will want to hold her seat vs Labour), Farron (no need to say what these yellow Tory supporters would do), UKIP (they have lost all the Tories so now they will pretend to be socialist) and Sturgeon (tribally anti-Labour and she has to makes sure none of those ex-Labour voters ever think of going back) would play it
May would sit at home and watch it being difficult for her at the beginning but you cannot debate or shout at an empty chair so in the end it would become Corbyn vs the Rest
So in summary, the first 2 minutes without May would be funny but from then on it will be open warfare on the Tories
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Agree with the sentiment. Unfortunate Freudian slip at the end, it'd be open war on Labour.
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It is a bizarre claim anyway. Should not any government anywhere have a public accounts committee of sorts, cross party, etc., etc., propaganda claims (esp. for opp.) for such a committee could only exist in totally bent corrupt state, of course the populace encouraged out of critical thinking faculty might not get the subtleties of that.RogerOThornhill wrote:Afternoon all. Back from an all morning meeting at school.
Should the CEO of a so-called "politically independent charity" get so wound up about a report criticizing a government department?Toby YoungVerified account @toadmeister 23m23 minutes ago
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The Public Accounts Committee report is Labour propaganda, pure and simple
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I'd love to see him in a dhoti.AnatolyKasparov wrote:In further light relief, Paul "4 per cent" Nuttall has apparently compared himself to Mahatma Gandhi
Especially on a day like today.
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My brain read what you meant, if that helps!StephenDolan wrote:Agree with the sentiment. Unfortunate Freudian slip at the end, it'd be open war on Labour.
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That really should have been a post for howsillyofme1. I was trying (and failing) to take a short-cut.
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Glad he's keeping up the pressure.Jeremy Corbyn has renewed his call for Theresa May to take part in TV election debates. And he has signalled that he won’t take part if she is not included. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Ooooops silly me for the error above
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Numeracy classes for Mr.T
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Oh go then, living up to your (user)name.
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I liked ithowsillyofme1 wrote:Ooooops silly me for the error above
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Talking of names,I used to watch Crown Court .It was on at dinner time,there once was a guy who changed his name to Deed Poll.I laughed so much I was incapable of returning to school;that was my excuse anyway.
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Abi Wilkinson having a hard time on Twitter in the past 24 hours, maybe some of you who are on that site could send her some support?
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ubs-schemeUK to take 130 more lone refugee children in Dubs scheme climbdown
Peer criticises ‘shocking mistake’ as ministers say ‘administrative error’ meant they underestimated available places
Lord Dubs said: “It is especially shocking that they have ‘just discovered’ this dreadful mistake after we and the local authorities have been telling them for several months that there were more offers of places.” (Guardian)