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Monday 8th May 2017
Morning all.
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Bonjours mes amis.
Into school bright and early in a few minutes to see a maths booster class and then checking on SATs papers procedures. They get locked away in the basement as soon as they arrive and only come out minutes before they are needed but good to check.
Back later.
Into school bright and early in a few minutes to see a maths booster class and then checking on SATs papers procedures. They get locked away in the basement as soon as they arrive and only come out minutes before they are needed but good to check.
Back later.
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Morning.
Ladies and gentlemen, Leave.EU:
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Ladies and gentlemen, the Daily Mail:
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Arguably, the Times leading with a big MLP spread the night of the first round ballot was worse.
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Probably was, but at least they managed this today:AnatolyKasparov wrote:Arguably, the Times leading with a big MLP spread the night of the first round ballot was worse.
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By contrast, the Mail has done a "Thomas Mair verdict on page 30" again.
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Morning all.
Newsthump on fine form.
"35% for Le Pen means France is divided, insists man who told the 48% to suck it up and get over it"
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Newsthump on fine form.
"35% for Le Pen means France is divided, insists man who told the 48% to suck it up and get over it"
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I see that the Graun led with the "France divided" line this morning. Ho hum.
Will they do the same if our PM wins a sizeable majority next month, but with a considerably smaller lead in the popular vote?
Will they do the same if our PM wins a sizeable majority next month, but with a considerably smaller lead in the popular vote?
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The barrage of vileness from commentators upset France didn't vote for the fascist below the line in other places was astoundingStephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
Newsthump on fine form.
"35% for Le Pen means France is divided, insists man who told the 48% to suck it up and get over it"
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I would have thought pride alone would've tempered their responses
Fascist followers are bad news
Violent, abusive confrontational tactics won't get anything but sorrow
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Good-morning, everyone
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What on earth?
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The Conservative Party. Or, as they're now known, Theresa May's Team
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And then this:RogerOThornhill wrote:What on earth?
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Theresa May just said "Conservative Party" - then hastily corrected it to "me and my team"
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Hospital parking fees. Again, a decent policy. Speaking from previous personal experience, spending nights and going there and back multiple times a day it's sickening. Pun absolutely intended
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In case you need a laugh...or you really want to buy one.
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I do like the idea of imposing a national policy so all hospital users are treated the same - it emphasises the "national" of the NHS. Obviously there would be difficulties in application, because available parking is so scarce in some areas and, of course, some trusts have become reliant on this money. Linking it to a VAT rise on private insurance is a mistake, though, I think. It allows the media to concentrate on that instead of the positive policy and as Porfavor (I think?) pointed out, taxing "aspiration" is far less popular than you would expect. Better to just put the VAT up once you're in government, like Osborne did. Of course Labour will be grilled on how they can afford it, but surely Labour plans for NHS funding will require huge numbers anyway, in which free parking would surely be a sidebar? I'm a little worried at this point that the Libdems are talking big numbers like a penny on income tax, but Labour so far have suggested nothing for the NHS. Really need these manifestos! I haven't had any campaign material from Labour either, having had something from the Tories and Libdems. I hope they get going soon, they seem a little behind in terms of organisation at the moment.StephenDolan wrote:Hospital parking fees. Again, a decent policy. Speaking from previous personal experience, spending nights and going there and back multiple times a day it's sickening. Pun absolutely intended
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I don't know who Catherine West is, but she's just been getting pretty crushed on Daily Politics at the moment over spending and taxing plans. I felt a bit sorry for her, as she didn't seem to have any more knowledge about Labour's plans than the few single policies already announced by John McDonnell so it was difficult for her to defend them with no details to flesh them out. At least she referred to the manifesto for figures she didn't have, so lessons have been learned from Abbott's error.
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So what was the point of banging on and on about figures before the manifesto comes out?
Contrast with how the Tories "promised" an extra 10k mental health nurses the other day and the media just waved it through. No obsessing over "paying for it" at all AFAICS.
Contrast with how the Tories "promised" an extra 10k mental health nurses the other day and the media just waved it through. No obsessing over "paying for it" at all AFAICS.
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The discussion was referring to John McDonnell's pledge not to put up taxes generally, thus restricting Labour to raising all their extra revenue from the announced reversal of corporation tax cuts and a rise for those on over £80,000. These are things Labour put out there, so I'm not sure it's unreasonable to expect them to discuss them and how much they might raise.AnatolyKasparov wrote:So what was the point of banging on and on about figures before the manifesto comes out?
Contrast with how the Tories "promised" an extra 10k mental health nurses the other day and the media just waved it through. No obsessing over "paying for it" at all AFAICS.
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A decent policy - yes, but it's not as simple as it appears. The SG made the same move years ago. First problem was PFI-built hospitals where parking charges were built into the contract. Second problem was the miserable s*ds who were not hospital users but who parked their cars there. Almost all the buses in my area go through the local hospital grounds, with the result that it became an unofficial park-and-ride.StephenDolan wrote:Hospital parking fees. Again, a decent policy. Speaking from previous personal experience, spending nights and going there and back multiple times a day it's sickening. Pun absolutely intended
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Not insurmountable problems, but different for each hospital.
A police HQ that I used to visit (voluntarily and on business, I hasten to add) had a good solution. An automatic barrier let anybody into their car park but you had to go to reception for a token to get out of it. (Tokens free only if you had a legitimate reason for being there).
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The BBC has unveiled details of its election programmes - with Theresa May and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn set to take part in Question Time specials.
David Dimbleby will host the programmes in which Mr Corbyn and Mrs May, the Conservative leader, will face audience questions consecutively on 2 June.
SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon and Lib Dem Tim Farron will appear on 4 June.
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Well, they'll get turned away. That's my birthday and they're not invited.Willow904 wrote:SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon and Lib Dem Tim Farron will appear on 4 June.
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Paul's marathon crossword: devising clues while running 26 miles
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That "2015 vote share" rule iscovering their bare arse doing an awful lot of heavy lifting for them, isn't it?
That "2015 vote share" rule is
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Legal Aid Agency criticised for trying to prosecute major law firm fraud through local authority rather than CPS
Legal Aid Agency criticised for trying to prosecute major law firm fraud through local authority rather than CPS
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Those keeping an eye on their blood pressure might want to avoid the latest ICM poll over at the G
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And they should stay away from this as well:Willow904 wrote:Those keeping an eye on their blood pressure might want to avoid the latest ICM poll over at the G
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One BTL comment perhaps sums things up:
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"I am a lifelong Labour man, I voted remain and I don't like Thatcherism, so I'm voting UKIP". Are people really this thick?
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Graun still talking up UKIP, are they?
God bless.
God bless.
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As I am told off f I omit them.
Latest ICM, just consistent with the others really.
Conservatives: 49% (up 2)
Labour: 27% (down 1)
Lib Dems: 9% (up 1)
Ukip: 6% (down 2)
Greens: 3% (down 1)
Latest ICM, just consistent with the others really.
Conservatives: 49% (up 2)
Labour: 27% (down 1)
Lib Dems: 9% (up 1)
Ukip: 6% (down 2)
Greens: 3% (down 1)
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An improved second place here though
Welsh Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (+1)
LAB: 35% (+5)
PC: 11% (-2)
LDEM: 7% (-1)
UKIP: 4% (-2)
(via @YouGov / 05 - 07 May)
Welsh Labour doing its best to declare independence of course.
Welsh Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (+1)
LAB: 35% (+5)
PC: 11% (-2)
LDEM: 7% (-1)
UKIP: 4% (-2)
(via @YouGov / 05 - 07 May)
Welsh Labour doing its best to declare independence of course.
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NonOxCol wrote:And they should stay away from this as well:Willow904 wrote:Those keeping an eye on their blood pressure might want to avoid the latest ICM poll over at the G
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"I am a lifelong Labour man, I voted remain and I don't like Thatcherism, so I'm voting UKIP". Are people really this thick?
So the local A&E closes in 2011 under the Coalition government of the Tories and Libdems, and this is interpreted as Labour abandoning Hartlepool and a reason to vote Ukip? I'm just trying to make sense of why, if they were unhappy with a Labour government, they kept returning a Labour MP during the Labour years and only now, after 7 years under a completely different government, they feel unhappy enough with Labour to vote elsewhere. If, indeed it comes to pass Hartlepool does reject Labour, which of course it might not and all this may prove bollocks.Hartlepool council, Mennear said, bucked a national trend by keeping museums open. But there are some who resent that while museums have stayed open, other key services have shut. There is bitter anger about the closure of A&E, critical care and part of maternity services at Hartlepool’s hospital; it is a 30-minute drive, or a 90-minute bus journey, to Stockton for people with serious injuries.
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Sadly, a lot of people are that thick, and not just because I taught them. I know someone who didn't know which way to vote in the Brexit referendum, so she voted the opposite way to her husband, to cancel his vote in case he was wrong. A cousin voted Brexit because he thought it would be a laugh, and a friend who works in Nissan, voted Brexit because he can't stand the Mackems and wants to see them made redundant.NonOxCol wrote:And they should stay away from this as well:Willow904 wrote:Those keeping an eye on their blood pressure might want to avoid the latest ICM poll over at the G
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-for-ukip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
One BTL comment perhaps sums things up:
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"I am a lifelong Labour man, I voted remain and I don't like Thatcherism, so I'm voting UKIP". Are people really this thick?
Perhaps we deserve our rulers.
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I'm already on record here as saying Hartlepool will go to UKIP, they want their brexit and they want it now.NonOxCol wrote:And they should stay away from this as well:Willow904 wrote:Those keeping an eye on their blood pressure might want to avoid the latest ICM poll over at the G
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-for-ukip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
One BTL comment perhaps sums things up:
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"I am a lifelong Labour man, I voted remain and I don't like Thatcherism, so I'm voting UKIP". Are people really this thick?
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One more slagging off of Hartlepool or people will result in no holds barred response.
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Good riddance.
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HindleA wrote:One more slagging off of Hartlepool or people will result in no holds barred response.
I shall not mention monkeys!
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"Vote May to get Brexit"
The message is simple and effective enough except......
We already had May and we already voted for Brexit.
I know it's not what she'll get but what she deserves is the exact same super slim majority she started out with. That the British public will doubtless reward her with a mega margin is just so untterably depressing.
The message is simple and effective enough except......
We already had May and we already voted for Brexit.
I know it's not what she'll get but what she deserves is the exact same super slim majority she started out with. That the British public will doubtless reward her with a mega margin is just so untterably depressing.
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Can somebody here tell me why the Labour Leadership - THE LABOUR LEADERSHIP ( sorry got a bit Kinnock 85 there) is banging on about Karl Marx in 2017. They are about 100 years too late to be relevant.
Now obviously the DM will claim they are Communists (frankly that Vince Cable bloke is a bit shifty as well) which probably isn't true. But if it doesn't prove they are communists it proves somebody is an idiot.
Consider this 30 days from an election every minute of their days should be planned for the single purpose of maximising the Labour vote. In addition they should have their media grid thing telling them the key messages.
So which cockwomble decided today they were going to talk about Marxism. How does that help?
Similarly who allowed John McD (Bond Villain extrordinaire) to stand in front of a communist banner emblazoned with the word Stalin and give a speech to literally 100 people 3 days before the local elections.
And who thought sending Corbyn to a tiny non Labour celebration of Burnhams victory made any sense. The footage of 200 people chanting Corbyn and waving CPGB flags cheerfully thankfully didn't make the news.
Does anybody on that campaign have a clue what they are doing?
Now obviously the DM will claim they are Communists (frankly that Vince Cable bloke is a bit shifty as well) which probably isn't true. But if it doesn't prove they are communists it proves somebody is an idiot.
Consider this 30 days from an election every minute of their days should be planned for the single purpose of maximising the Labour vote. In addition they should have their media grid thing telling them the key messages.
So which cockwomble decided today they were going to talk about Marxism. How does that help?
Similarly who allowed John McD (Bond Villain extrordinaire) to stand in front of a communist banner emblazoned with the word Stalin and give a speech to literally 100 people 3 days before the local elections.
And who thought sending Corbyn to a tiny non Labour celebration of Burnhams victory made any sense. The footage of 200 people chanting Corbyn and waving CPGB flags cheerfully thankfully didn't make the news.
Does anybody on that campaign have a clue what they are doing?
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This cartoon has been doing the rounds:
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Then there's this:
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This is slightly less funny, however. The Foreign Secretary, ladies, gents and mugwumps:
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This is slightly less funny, however. The Foreign Secretary, ladies, gents and mugwumps:
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Worrying thought, Could John (Dr Evil) McD courting the Stalinist vote on 1st May be because internal polling suggests only the Stalinists remain onboard.
Of course, they are also just the demographic likely to be seduced by strong, stable and secretly unhinged rulers. The new swing voters perhaps?
Of course, they are also just the demographic likely to be seduced by strong, stable and secretly unhinged rulers. The new swing voters perhaps?
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So what is the inside story on Katy Clark? I know we have the battle for safe seats arguments flying around but it feels like there is something else here.
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Presumably it comes Teflon coated?NonOxCol wrote:In case you need a laugh...or you really want to buy one.
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Edited to add: lots of properly good responses to this, particularly so given a 140-character limit!
Er....... Nope.
Edited to add: lots of properly good responses to this, particularly so given a 140-character limit!
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"Don't worry, he'll quit...."
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The over optimism of the soft left, despite reality hitting them in the face over and over again, is a thing to behold.
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The over optimism of the soft left, despite reality hitting them in the face over and over again, is a thing to behold.
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What exactly do you expect him to say?
William Hague said he would not resign as Tory leader if he lost more than once during the 2001 GE campaign.
He quit the next day.
William Hague said he would not resign as Tory leader if he lost more than once during the 2001 GE campaign.
He quit the next day.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:What exactly do you expect him to say?
William Hague said he would not resign as Tory leader if he lost more than once during the 2001 GE campaign.
He quit the next day.
We'll see.
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Oh, before I depart for the night an interesting polling snippet from the head of ICM.
Pretty much admitting that their latest poll is Tory-heavy, and apparently hinting that there could be some tweaking of their methodology.
Pretty much admitting that their latest poll is Tory-heavy, and apparently hinting that there could be some tweaking of their methodology.
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We'll see.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh, before I depart for the night an interesting polling snippet from the head of ICM.
Pretty much admitting that their latest poll is Tory-heavy, and apparently hinting that there could be some tweaking of their methodology.