Monday 22nd May 2017
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Monday 22nd May 2017
Morning all.
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Survation/GMB (Phone):
CON 43 (-5)
LAB 34 (+5)
LD 8 (=)
UKIP 4 (=)
GRN 2 (=)
SNP 3 (-1)
CON 43 (-5)
LAB 34 (+5)
LD 8 (=)
UKIP 4 (=)
GRN 2 (=)
SNP 3 (-1)
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Good-morning, everyone
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Morning all.
About a decade ago I used to buy the New Yorker but gave up eventually as I got way behind with them (and still have a pile on the floor waiting to be read). But I do buy it when I go away and then read on planes and trains.
Anyway, I read this in the latest issue which I found interesting. I know it's US-based but as we know trends tend to travel across and some of it is already here. Quite long but worth a read if you have time.
IS THE GIG ECONOMY WORKING?
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/ ... my-working
About a decade ago I used to buy the New Yorker but gave up eventually as I got way behind with them (and still have a pile on the floor waiting to be read). But I do buy it when I go away and then read on planes and trains.
Anyway, I read this in the latest issue which I found interesting. I know it's US-based but as we know trends tend to travel across and some of it is already here. Quite long but worth a read if you have time.
IS THE GIG ECONOMY WORKING?
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/ ... my-working
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Morning all. Manic weekend, caught up with the reading back, thanks to all who posted over the weekend.
Dementia tax is going nowhere from the news, the Tories Google advertising acknowledges that it's exploded in their faces.
Dementia tax is going nowhere from the news, the Tories Google advertising acknowledges that it's exploded in their faces.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
On apprenticeships.
Conservatives continue to peddle a lie
http://feweek.co.uk/2017/05/19/conserva ... dle-a-lie/
Just as well we got that of that Labour target culture eh?
Conservatives continue to peddle a lie
http://feweek.co.uk/2017/05/19/conserva ... dle-a-lie/
Last year just one in four apprentice starts (26 per cent) were under 19, compared to nearly half (44 per cent) aged 25 or over.
In fact, last year nearly a quarter (23.8 per cent) of apprenticeship starts were aged 35 and over, of which 3,560 of them were aged 60 and over.
All these adults (the majority of apprentices and likely not new in jobs) are being counted towards the 3 million target, despite maintaining a manifesto commitment to 3 million apprentice starts for “young people”.
Just as well we got that of that Labour target culture eh?
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Ben Bradshaw @BenPBradshaw
If the Tories think £100,000 is "reasonable inheritance" after care bills, why are they raising the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million?
Well, yeah.
If the Tories think £100,000 is "reasonable inheritance" after care bills, why are they raising the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million?
Well, yeah.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Annoyingly, those are UK-wide figures (as with the previous Survation GMB poll)SpinningHugo wrote:Survation/GMB (Phone):
CON 43 (-5)
LAB 34 (+5)
LD 8 (=)
UKIP 4 (=)
GRN 2 (=)
SNP 3 (-1)
Though I think the only effect of converting them to GB (as is usual with polls) is to bump the LibDems and SNP up a point.
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I know. Airhead.People are putting up 'Strong and stable my arse' signs up across London
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Think of me as a "human" 60's TV interlude film.
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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Are they falling down to make the point?
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Oops.
Nothing like a well-thought out plan and this etc...George OsborneVerified account
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U-turn coming on social care. There will be a cap. Read today's @EveningStandard for the details
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
I've just posted a comment elsewhere about this issue.StephenDolan wrote:Ben Bradshaw @BenPBradshaw
If the Tories think £100,000 is "reasonable inheritance" after care bills, why are they raising the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million?
Well, yeah.
Tory policy is miserly towards most people and preferential towards themselves.
Tories think they can get away with this?
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
I hate wearing Tory caps
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Good morf..
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
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Don't suppose there'll be extra funding as well for councils to provide better social care (for young and old alike) to people who don't own a house, of which there's a growing number. Welcome as this row back would be if it comes, I think we should keep pressing the main point that cuts to money to councils to look after those who have nothing, not even a house, still need to be reversed or the social care crisis will continue. It is such typical Tory strategy to try for something truly horrendous and when not accepted row back to something less horrendous but equally useless and get heralded as heroes for something which, if it had been offered up as an initial policy would have been derided as pants.RogerOThornhill wrote:Oops.
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U-turn coming on social care. There will be a cap. Read today's @EveningStandard for the details
Nevertheless, pleased to see this nasty Tory government finally run into some limits. It was beginning to feel like they could get away with anything which didn't involve charging self-employed journalists more NI.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Theresa May, speaking in Wrexham -
But since my manifesto was published, the proposals have been subject to fake claims made by Jeremy Corbyn. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Did I hear Donald Trump refer to King Salman as "King Solomon"? That's what it sounded like to me, anyway.
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Now that the manifesto is being attacked (by Laura Kuenssberg, no less) Theresa May has now dropped into referring to "we". Nothing like sharing, is there?
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Laura K. has questioned the strength and stability of the Supreme Leader!
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Um...has there been a u-turn on a social care cap? Or is Theresa May just pretending her £100,000 floor is a "cap" to muddy the waters?
'Strong and stable' this ain't. It's a shambles.
'Strong and stable' this ain't. It's a shambles.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
It was called 'a manifesto of chaos'Willow904 wrote:Um...has there been a u-turn on a social care cap? Or is Theresa May just pretending her £100,000 floor is a "cap" to muddy the waters?
'Strong and stable' this ain't. It's a shambles.
May still insisting nothing has changed
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
So you won't have to sell your home to pay for care. Or go below £100k savings.
So.
Will it be paid from your estate?
What is the absolute limit?
Where is the shortfall going to come from?
So.
Will it be paid from your estate?
What is the absolute limit?
Where is the shortfall going to come from?
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
May’s claim that her manifesto plans on social care were subject to “fake claims made by Jeremy Corbyn” (see 11.48am) is not true.
This is what the manifesto said about social care. It promised a “floor” for costs - a maximum that people would be allowed to retain,
when they are paying their care costs, so that people would be allowed to keep their last £100,000. But it did not propose a “cap”,
a maximum amount that people would have to spend.
Corbyn’s claim that this would lead to some people pay more was entirely correct.
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What ever it is it will be a long term solution,perhaps to the weekend.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
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There's going to be a "consultation", apparently. If they had announced that at the outset, they might have got away with it.Willow904 wrote:Um...has there been a u-turn on a social care cap? Or is Theresa May just pretending her £100,000 floor is a "cap" to muddy the waters?
'Strong and stable' this ain't. It's a shambles.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
We don't knowStephenDolan wrote:So you won't have to sell your home to pay for care. Or go below £100k savings.
So.
Will it be paid from your estate?
What is the absolute limit?
Where is the shortfall going to come from?
Theresa May is making no sense whatsoever, insists nothing has changed
This is what the Tory manifesto says
(cJA emphasis)"First, we will align the future basis for means-testing for domiciliary care with that for residential care, so that people are looked after in the place that is best for them. This will mean that the value of the family home will be taken into account along with other assets and income, whether care is provided at home, or in a residential or nursing care home.
Second, to ensure this is fair, we will introduce a single capital floor, set at £100,000, more than four times the current means test threshold. This will ensure that, no matter how large the cost of care turns out to be, people will always retain at least £100,000 of their savings and assets, including value in the family home.
Third, we will extend the current freedom to defer payments for residential care to those receiving care at home, so no-one will have to sell their home in their lifetime to pay for care."
Tory Manifesto 2017.pdf
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
The house gets counted with other assets and savings, there's no limit to how much you'll have to pay for social care, only £100,000 maximum will be protected as an inheritance, the house gets sold after you're dead. That's the Tory Manifesto.
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Theresa May got a vicious way about her, you know?
'You'll believe what I've told you, god damn you'
'You'll believe what I've told you, god damn you'
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
These Tory people are scarier than hell, who on earth votes for them?Conservatives buy 'dementia tax' Google ad as criticism of policy grows
Tactic shows Tories are willing to adopt pejorative term for policy in order to tackle criticism of social care proposals
The Conservatives have paid for a Google advert that appears at the top of the page when users search for “dementia tax” in response to growing attacks on Theresa May’s social care policy.
People using the search engine on Monday to find out about the term, coined to describe the prime minister’s manifesto commitment to shake up the funding of old age care, found the top result was a paid-for link from Conservatives.com that read: “The so-called ‘dementia tax’ – get the real facts.”
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
"Claps" and "crate". I know George Osborne pronounced the words in this way, but it's now common usage. Very annoying.
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
AnatolyKasparov wrote:There's going to be a "consultation", apparently. If they had announced that at the outset, they might have got away with it.Willow904 wrote:Um...has there been a u-turn on a social care cap? Or is Theresa May just pretending her £100,000 floor is a "cap" to muddy the waters?
'Strong and stable' this ain't. It's a shambles.
Those pesky kids!
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Theresa May makes fake claims about fake claims.
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
At the Labour launch Jeremy Corbyn welcomes the U-turn.
He says that if George Osborne is now doing something useful with his life, that is to be welcomed.
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Hate to think where Toby would place IDS's "products"given the chance.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
(Haven't got a)Scooby Doo
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
"And if George Osborne is at last doing something useful in his life of supporting proper funding for social care, then thank you George for that.
And I urge him to read very carefully our manifesto says on social care."
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
The Tories promised to give expats the vote last year
The genius, or cynicism, of Theresa May’s early election is that, after so few months of government, she has no real record to study. But here, for those wondering about her ability to flout any of her own government’s solemn pledges, is a whopper that has left millions of UK citizens in the lurch.
In October her minister for the constitution, Chris Skidmore, made a clear and unequivocal pledge to bring UK citizens living abroad back into the democratic fold, by allowing them to vote, before the next election. This was especially important to those whose lives are most traumatically affected by Brexit because they live elsewhere in the EU.
On 8 June the millions of UK citizens living abroad will still be unable to vote.
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
We've plenty of history on T May and the rest of Tory government
They've been there for over seven years now
They're lying, venal, disagreeable people and the antithesis of good leadership
They've been there for over seven years now
They're lying, venal, disagreeable people and the antithesis of good leadership
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
I think I forgot, earlier.
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Good morfternoon.
So -
Good morfternoon.
Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Brittle, vacillating, doesn't know up from down“Let’s be clear we have not changed the principles we set out in our manifesto. What we have done is clarified that in the green paper which will be a consultation document we will have an upper limit. But the basic principles remain the same,” the prime minister responded.
“Nothing has changed, nothing has changed,” she added tersely, raising her voice towards the end of the session when a correspondent from the Telegraph asked if anything else was likely to be altered in the Tory manifesto.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Brexit appears to mean taking back control of everything but border
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opini ... 38738.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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In the almost impossible event of Corbyn/Starmer being the ones negotiating with the EU, could they hang a u-turn on keeping the union together? I don't mean staying in the EU, but the EFTA/EEA. I'm pretty sure that's where Starmer's inclination would lie. Sturgeon seems to have implied the SNP would be happy enough with that.It is arguable, therefore, that no realistic political solution to the border issue exists at all. Certainly not within the parameters under which the negotiating parties appear to be operating.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Well, I'd be happy with that too, so I think you can assume, therefore, it could not possibly happen because that's what I keep being told by various posters whenever I mention I would prefer a soft Brexit.gilsey wrote:Brexit appears to mean taking back control of everything but border
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opini ... 38738.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;In the almost impossible event of Corbyn/Starmer being the ones negotiating with the EU, could they hang a u-turn on keeping the union together? I don't mean staying in the EU, but the EFTA/EEA. I'm pretty sure that's where Starmer's inclination would lie. Sturgeon seems to have implied the SNP would be happy enough with that.It is arguable, therefore, that no realistic political solution to the border issue exists at all. Certainly not within the parameters under which the negotiating parties appear to be operating.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
CON: 47% (-1)
LAB: 33% (+5)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
UKIP: 4% (-2)
GRN: 2% (-1)
(via @ICMResearch / 19-21 May)
Closed by 6 points.
LAB: 33% (+5)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
UKIP: 4% (-2)
GRN: 2% (-1)
(via @ICMResearch / 19-21 May)
Closed by 6 points.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
Here are today's alternative facts.
This was not a u-turn.
May is strong and stable.
The three most important letters in this election are IRA, not NHS.
This was not a u-turn.
May is strong and stable.
The three most important letters in this election are IRA, not NHS.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
So, the Remainers. Flooding to the Lib Dems still. Ukip about to join the greens in the Margin of Error club.SpinningHugo wrote:CON: 47% (-1)
LAB: 33% (+5)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
UKIP: 4% (-2)
GRN: 2% (-1)
(via @ICMResearch / 19-21 May)
Closed by 6 points.
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
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as much as I object to the use of a stamp I am returning your communication,if it stops any more it will be worth it.Please remove name/address or whatever is necessary to ensure this.
This is beneficial to you as it saves time,effort and monies in your fruitless pursuit of ever convincing me to vote Tory,or even for a nano second ever contemplating it.Not least for your relentless attack on the sick and disabled,"removal of the incentive in not dying quickly enough" £30 reduction per week ,because there is no difference between a fully fit person and having a permanent progressive condition that some of your number thinks means get better,being being but one.
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as much as I object to the use of a stamp I am returning your communication,if it stops any more it will be worth it.Please remove name/address or whatever is necessary to ensure this.
This is beneficial to you as it saves time,effort and monies in your fruitless pursuit of ever convincing me to vote Tory,or even for a nano second ever contemplating it.Not least for your relentless attack on the sick and disabled,"removal of the incentive in not dying quickly enough" £30 reduction per week ,because there is no difference between a fully fit person and having a permanent progressive condition that some of your number thinks means get better,being being but one.
Yours
I have made some appropriate adjustments"
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Re: Monday 22nd May 2017
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