Saturday 10th & Sunday 11th June 2017

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:18 pm

I think, Roger, that last post may be moot - it seems the Tories are moving against May (the Tory Propaganda rags are saying as such and they will have been tipped off)

I give her a month now - seems things want to be sorted before serious Brexit negotiations start

I am starting to feel sorry for her now, she is getting the same treatment Brown did

The indications are it is the completely vacuum of integrity and principles Johnson.......nauseating

(so frog, am I allowed to criticise someone or are you going to call be 'mean and spiteful' again- my criticisms are again based on my interpretation of fact and fail to see why there would be any difference between him and Hugo, neither of whom I have ever met, but who I hold in similar disdain based on what I do know)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:22 pm

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news ... osses.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Leading bosses have called on the new Government to steer clear of a hard Brexit and to negotiate a transitional arrangement with the European Union while making an urgent priority of granting full rights to EU citizens in the UK.
Paul Drechsler, president of the Confederation of British Industry, and Stephen Martin, director-general of the Institute of Directors, spoke out after the result of Thursday’s snap General Election was announced.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:25 pm

HSOM
In May's case I just can't feel it (sympathy). She wanted to be and thought she was the new Thatcher.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:27 pm

I did feel sorry for GB however (not to be confused with Team GB that might soon have to be Team UK)

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:30 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:HSOM
In May's case I just can't feel it (sympathy). She wanted to be and thought she was the new Thatcher.

Definitelynot as much as I felt for Brown and your challenge is fair

The Murdoch and Rothermere newspapers are vile though and to turn viciously on someone like that isn't needed......

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:32 pm

TechnicallyRon‏Verified account @TechnicallyRon 1h1 hour ago
Can't wait for brexit to be negotiated by a woman that thought 'LET'S GET THE GUYS WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN DINSOSAURS TO HELP US'

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:39 pm

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Five ministers urge UK's Johnson to challenge PM May - Sunday Times

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:53 pm

: appalled you will be.jpg (56.76 KiB) Viewed 15138 times

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 10:58 pm

As if by magic ...

Helen Miller
@MsHelicat

MAIL ON SUNDAY: Boris set to launch bid to be PM as May clings on #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:04 pm

Sadiq Khan‏Verified account @SadiqKhan 33m33 minutes ago
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Londoners are coming together tonight to raise money for those affected by last week's attack. #NightForLondon

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:14 pm

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Alistair Burt, the pro-EU Tory MP for North East Bedfordshire, said: "Because the Conservative Party did not win and has not got this majority, it means that the Conservatives can't be in control of this process."

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:23 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:As if by magic ...

Helen Miller
@MsHelicat

MAIL ON SUNDAY: Boris set to launch bid to be PM as May clings on #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers

@BorisJohnson 3m
Mail on Sunday tripe - I am backing Theresa may. Let's get on with the job

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:30 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:As if by magic ...

Helen Miller
@MsHelicat

MAIL ON SUNDAY: Boris set to launch bid to be PM as May clings on #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers

@BorisJohnson 3m
Mail on Sunday tripe - I am backing Theresa may. Let's get on with the job

d Miliband‏Verified account
@Ed_Miliband

Ed Miliband Retweeted Boris Johnson
Yep. As true as your £350 million a week for the NHS.

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:30 pm

stability and certainty
let's get to work/on with the job

The endless trotting out of banal soundbites is starting to trigger the mist

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:33 pm

According to Yougov, Corbyn is now tied with May on "who would make the best PM" question. Both on 39%.

Apparently no Labour leader has tied or been ahead since 2008.

But there are still some churls saying he should be in front after the week she's had.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:34 pm

http://www.politico.eu/article/theresa- ... telephone/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In a statement released Saturday night about the call with Merkel, a Downing Street spokesperson said: “The prime minister confirmed her intention for Brexit talks to begin as planned in the next couple of weeks, and that we would be looking for a reciprocal agreement on the rights of EU citizens and British citizens abroad at an early stage.”

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:35 pm

Labour party membership has now definitely exceeded 600k, and there are some (as yet unconfirmed) claims that it has gone quite a bit higher.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 10 Jun, 2017 11:56 pm

Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
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Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 45% (+5)
CON: 39% (-3)
LDEM: 7% (-)
UKIP: 3% (+1)

(via @Survation / 10 Jun)
Chgs. w/ GE2017

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 12:35 am

Although still sporting that awful neck chain, the Guardian's front page suggests that Theresa May has been shocked into wearing a jacket that actually fits her. She's ditched the early Sean Spicer look.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 5:15 am

Those Tories and their strong, stable, certain, non-terrorist-talking-to loose alliance of chaos:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ionTheresa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; May’s plan for a loose alliance with the Democratic Unionists to prop up her government was thrown into confusion last night after after the Northern Ireland party contradicted a No 10 announcement that a deal had been reached

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 5:27 am

Sam Coates Times ✔ @SamCoatesTimes
Tory member of government: "Boris will never ever be PM. If he tries to go for it now he will never be forgiven. MPs don't want him" " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
10:51 PM - 10 Jun 2017 · Lewisham, London

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 5:36 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -hard-work" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If the British government cannot play the role of mediator it is not obvious who can. A previous attempt to use a distinguished American diplomat failed because only the British and Irish governments have the levers to cajole the parties into an agreement. Failure to reach agreement will catapult Northern Ireland into a serious crisis and back on to our front pages, where it has been happily absent for 20 years.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 5:43 am

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 5:50 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 83686.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
London attack: Bristol City fans to return a stolen Millwall sign to hero Roy Larner who fought terrorists with bare hands
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"We would now like to return this to the Millwall hero, who has earned this memento back - what a man.”

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 5:59 am

https://www.theglobalist.com/theresa-ma ... brexit-eu/

In a nutshell, during her premiership so far, Mrs. May has advocated, at various times and with varying intensity, for four different goals: more social inclusion, more sovereignty for the UK, a more global UK and the improvement of the UK economy’s productivity.

These goals, taken by themselves, might well be admirable. And not all of them are mutually exclusive, as one might think at first flush. For example, more emphasis on social inclusion can indeed enhance productivity over the longer term.

It is basically what Germany has always done via its concept of a social market economy.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 6:21 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Those Tories and their strong, stable, certain, non-terrorist-talking-to loose alliance of chaos:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ionTheresa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; May’s plan for a loose alliance with the Democratic Unionists to prop up her government was thrown into confusion last night after after the Northern Ireland party contradicted a No 10 announcement that a deal had been reached
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The first thing I heard when I woke up this mornin' (der-dader-da-da) was that Downing Street had issued the statement in error. Easy mistake to make. I trust it wasn't Gavin Barwell's first effort.

I'm feeling more and more like Pamela Ewing as the days go by.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 6:21 am

Good morfternoon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 6:32 am

I do like a bit of stability and certainty of a Sunday morning.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 8:05 am

PorFavor wrote:I do like a bit of stability and certainty of a Sunday morning.

Yes I'm feeling very certain.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 8:16 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
More
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 45% (+5)
CON: 39% (-3)
LDEM: 7% (-)
UKIP: 3% (+1)

(via @Survation / 10 Jun)
Chgs. w/ GE2017

Another part of this poll offers five alternative Tory leaders and asks whether respondents would be more or less likely to vote Tory under that leader.

For all five of them, less beats more. Johnson is minus 8. Davis is best at -7. Hammond is -8. Rudd is -13.

Most hilariously, guess which famously charismatic and polite former Murdoch journalist is -22.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 8:16 am

certain mccertface

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 8:22 am

Then there's "Theresa May is a strong and stable leader".

Agree: 36%
Disagree: 50%

You can imagine the Twitter response to that preposterous 36% figure...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 8:22 am

"Kelly's Heroes" bridge scene (about 4 mins in) - but any excuse for a bit of Donald Sutherland . . .

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(Could do with HindleA's invaluable help, here.)

Edited to add -

I see Toby Latimer's here (hint).

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 9:08 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Those Tories and their strong, stable, certain, non-terrorist-talking-to loose alliance of chaos:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ionTheresa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; May’s plan for a loose alliance with the Democratic Unionists to prop up her government was thrown into confusion last night after after the Northern Ireland party contradicted a No 10 announcement that a deal had been reached
.

However, some Tories remained concerned that a pact would damage a brand they have spent years trying to detoxify.

I think I must have missed that?

Post by **refitman** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 9:35 am

PorFavor wrote:"Kelly's Heroes" bridge scene (about 4 mins in) - but any excuse for a bit of Donald Sutherland . . .

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[youtube]Clz9ykXMkeM[/youtube]

(Could do with HindleA's invaluable help, here.)

Edited to add -

I see Toby Latimer's here (hint).

Done your video PF. You need to use the YouTube tags, not url. viewtopic.php?p=1630#p1630" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 9:38 am

There are seven people on the Sunday Politics panel.
Four of them are Raab, Soubry, JHB and Tom Newton Dunn. I am trying to identify the others by their pictures but they are not familiar to me.

Anyway, the point is: these shows are going to carry on talking to the same discredited old (overwhelmingly right-wing and over 45) faces as if nothing happened, aren't they?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 9:40 am

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 9:42 am

NonOxCol wrote:There are seven people on the Sunday Politics panel.
Four of them are Raab, Soubry, JHB and Tom Newton Dunn. I am trying to identify the others by their pictures but they are not familiar to me.

Anyway, the point is: these shows are going to carry on talking to the same discredited old (overwhelmingly right-wing and over 45) faces as if nothing happened, aren't they?

And hopefully if so their viewing figures will decline as their relevance slips away.

Just turn off

[Good point though]

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 9:54 am

Reflecting back on all this, I realise I'm still desperate for a space for people to discuss what an alliance of European nations (called the EU or whatever) would ideally look like.

If we could all talk about what the EU could be, rather than what it is and what it shouldn't be, we might all end up in a much happier place.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 9:58 am

@refitman

Thank you!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 10:04 am

What is the DUP holding out for? Or do they just wish not be be seen as a cheap date? Theresa May seemed, all along, to be trying to present this as a natural fit of like-minded parties.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 10:53 am

Labour take 6% lead in Survation survey for the Mail on Sunday.
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'For the Mail on Sunday' is the best bit. :lol!:

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:23 am

NonOxCol wrote:Then there's "Theresa May is a strong and stable leader".

Agree: 36%
Disagree: 50%

You can imagine the Twitter response to that preposterous 36% figure...

It might be 36% now, but give it a few weeks.......

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:25 am

John McDonnell saying single market membership incompatible with the referendum result. Oh well, it was a nice dream while it lasted.

The UK is, and I am sorry for swearing, completely fucked.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:30 am

SpinningHugo wrote:John McDonnell saying single market membership incompatible with the referendum result. Oh well, it was a nice dream while it lasted.

The UK is, and I am sorry for swearing, completely fucked.

your opinion is valid but, as with most of yours, is given with a certainty which is not supported by your ability in actually being right

A little bit of humility may be worth considering.....

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:37 am

I think there is an interesting discussion on the minority Government

The feeling seems to be that the Tories are absolutely trying to avoid a new election

They are trying to do a deal with the DUP but if that fails then Labour could have a go.....if Labour do have a go with the approach they have talked about then if the Tories want to vote them down then we move to a new election which they don't want

The Tories are in a horrible position - they need to have the deal, if not then it is probably a new election

The momentum is with Labour.....and that is important if there is another election within 6 months

The alternative is a weak Tory Government beholden to the DUP.....and I cannot see that helping them

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

Alas, I think they can stagger on for a while simply because there aren't (quite) enough votes to remove them.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 12:10 pm

One of the more interesting themes on Twitter in the last few days is the condescension towards left-wing (overwhelmingly under 40, many of them women) journalists who were way more accurate about this election than the usual gobshite blowhards like JHB, Toby fecking Young and Dan "2000 votes from the abyss" Hodges.

Even being accurate, and reasonably free of jeering schadenfreude, doesn't seem to prevent it, as you can see here...

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 12:18 pm

Abi Wilkinson in particular had to put up with some vicious abuse, so much so that she temporarily deleted her Twitter account.

She has been one of the stars of the election campaign, along with people like Aaron Bastani and - yes - Owen Jones.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 11 Jun, 2017 12:25 pm

JHB gets schooled by - the horror! - actual voters on her ludicrous and sadly not unique view that combined support for Labour and the Tories = 80% plus support for hard Brexit.

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