FlyTheNest

A haven
It is currently Tue 16 Jul, 2019 8:30 pm

All times are UTC


Forum rules


Welcome to FTN. New posters are welcome to join the conversation. You can follow us on Twitter @FlythenestHaven You are responsible for the content you post. This is a public forum. Treat it as if you are speaking in a crowded room. Site admin and Moderators are volunteers who will respond as quickly as they are able to when made aware of any complaints. Please do not post copyrighted material without the original authors permission.



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 75 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 10:44 am 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 11:40 pm
Posts: 25010
Has thanked: 18210 times
Been thanked: 34251 times
Chuka Cant

See below


Last edited by HindleA on Wed 15 May, 2019 10:47 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 10:47 am 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 8:26 pm
Posts: 9425
Has thanked: 942 times
Been thanked: 18958 times
PTO and I haven't even had my lunch yet......


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 11:20 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
They have even less chance of being elected in Scotland than most other places, but still......

I'm staggered - genuinely - at how totally amateurish and unfocused they have been.

(though maybe it shouldn't be totally surprising, only 3 of the MPs who defected to them are any good - and two of those are Tories)

Are you going to reveal your three?

I suppose the criticism of Wollaston was always that she was hypocritical saying and doing what she did while serving as a Tory and she
has TBF addressed that by leaving. So I kind of rate her.

Then I start to struggle.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 11:20 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
I suppose it depends what you mean by "any good".


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 11:22 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
I suppose it depends what you mean by "any good".

As in Sour Banyan, who is undoubtedly an effective speaker for Remain, but is she any good?

Ann Coffey has done some great campaigning work, but beyond that? Is that enough to be "any good"?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 11:23 am 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 8:26 pm
Posts: 9425
Has thanked: 942 times
Been thanked: 18958 times
Allen, Wollaston, and Berger.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 12:44 pm 
Offline
Speaker of the House

Joined: Wed 27 Aug, 2014 8:15 pm
Posts: 2357
Has thanked: 184 times
Been thanked: 4605 times
Labour's comment on not voting for the WA but possibly abstaining is absurd and I suspect is one of those on the hoof things they will regret but correct before too long.

_________________
What is it that we do makes us what we are
If we sing are we nightingales, if we shine are we stars?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 12:45 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister
User avatar

Joined: Thu 18 Sep, 2014 1:40 pm
Posts: 5837
Has thanked: 11195 times
Been thanked: 13677 times
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?


I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.

_________________
“Find a nice, self sufficient hilltop, and fortify it.” - The Kraken Wakes


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 1:11 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 8:26 pm
Posts: 9425
Has thanked: 942 times
Been thanked: 18958 times
adam wrote:
Labour's comment on not voting for the WA but possibly abstaining is absurd and I suspect is one of those on the hoof things they will regret but correct before too long.


The chances of this actually happening are almost vanishingly small, surely - who made this "comment" and in what context?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 1:13 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
Thanks AK I'm unsure about Allen who seems a bit Chuka-like to me. I simply don't know much about Berger's work, but people do seem to rate her.

So I'll settle on two!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 1:15 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?


I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.

Thanks it seems some parish councillors were elected with more votes than there are on the electoral register!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 1:17 pm 
Offline
Speaker of the House

Joined: Wed 27 Aug, 2014 8:15 pm
Posts: 2357
Has thanked: 184 times
Been thanked: 4605 times
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
adam wrote:
Labour's comment on not voting for the WA but possibly abstaining is absurd and I suspect is one of those on the hoof things they will regret but correct before too long.


The chances of this actually happening are almost vanishingly small, surely - who made this "comment" and in what context?


Guardian daily politics running it through quotes from a range of political correspondents from 'A Labour Spokesperson'.

_________________
What is it that we do makes us what we are
If we sing are we nightingales, if we shine are we stars?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 1:21 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 8:26 pm
Posts: 9425
Has thanked: 942 times
Been thanked: 18958 times
I'm not going to lose sleep over it, as long as these "talks" are ongoing people are going to have to pretend there might be a positive outcome from them.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 1:26 pm 
Offline
Speaker of the House

Joined: Wed 27 Aug, 2014 8:15 pm
Posts: 2357
Has thanked: 184 times
Been thanked: 4605 times
Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?


I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.

Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?


I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.


Slightly different I know but there's an Electoral Reform Society report on Voter ID trials from 2018 here.

Quote:
Evidence from around the world shows that forcing voters to bring photographic ID to the polling station just makes it harder for people to vote – while doing little to increase faith in the integrity of the system or stop determined fraudsters. We don’t need more barriers to people taking part in our democracy.


Edited to add - there's also a report from before this year's local elections about this years trials - here - 2017 over 51,000,000 votes, 26 allegations of in-person fraud, no convictions. And also edited to add I cocked up the images so I deleted the earlier post and have reposted it here.

_________________
What is it that we do makes us what we are
If we sing are we nightingales, if we shine are we stars?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 4:13 pm 
Online
Prime Minister

Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 11:18 am
Posts: 12043
Has thanked: 23493 times
Been thanked: 20335 times
Quote:
This is from Anne Milton, the skills minister.

Anne Milton MP

@AnneMilton

Its national numberacy day so test how good you are at numbers. It’s never too late to improve your skills #nationalnumeracyday
17
12:15 PM - May 15, 2019

Good job it’s not national literacy day ...
(Politics Live, Guardian)


(Actually, it's it's - not its. So she failed the "literacy" bit, too, if you want to be pedantic. Which, obviously, I do.)


Edited to add - or is that what Andrew Sparrow is slyly getting at in his comment?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 4:58 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister
User avatar

Joined: Thu 18 Sep, 2014 1:40 pm
Posts: 5837
Has thanked: 11195 times
Been thanked: 13677 times
Or possibly "numberacy"

_________________
“Find a nice, self sufficient hilltop, and fortify it.” - The Kraken Wakes


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 5:07 pm 
Online
Prime Minister

Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 11:18 am
Posts: 12043
Has thanked: 23493 times
Been thanked: 20335 times
Willow904 wrote:
Or possibly "numberacy"


Yes - but I wondered if there was an extra, and more subtle, dig on the "its" front.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 5:17 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
Numberacy HAS to be a typo. Doesn't it?

Whereas its is a proper mistake :evil:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 5:22 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister
User avatar

Joined: Thu 18 Sep, 2014 1:40 pm
Posts: 5837
Has thanked: 11195 times
Been thanked: 13677 times
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48226256

Quote:
Families are in relative poverty if they live on less than 60% of the middle household.

The cost of housing for each local area is factored in as well, to calculate real rates paid after housing costs are paid.

The method is used by the Office of National Statistics and the World Bank.

It shows that it was 2010 when child poverty began to rise again, after a long period in which it fell.

Prof Hirsch said: "What's shocking rather than surprising is that over the previous 12 to 15 years, we had a period when it was going down.

"We are now getting close to the time when we will have lost the gains we have made - half of those gains in reductions of child poverty have already been lost."


It would be nice, when talking about these things, if people would actually stop skirting around the fact that this is deliberate and knowing policy from government rather than some accidental occurance. Freezing and cutting child benefits makes families with children poorer. On top of stagnating wages what other outcome could there possibly be?

_________________
“Find a nice, self sufficient hilltop, and fortify it.” - The Kraken Wakes


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 5:42 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 8:26 pm
Posts: 9425
Has thanked: 942 times
Been thanked: 18958 times
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Thanks AK I'm unsure about Allen who seems a bit Chuka-like to me


She is nowhere near as bad tbh. Quite possibly more left wing too ;)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 6:29 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
OK HindleA are you ready for this?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 7:55 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 11:40 pm
Posts: 25010
Has thanked: 18210 times
Been thanked: 34251 times
Avoiding work,only getting snippets


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 8:02 pm 
Offline
Prime Minister

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 11:40 pm
Posts: 25010
Has thanked: 18210 times
Been thanked: 34251 times
Wish I wasn't


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 8:39 pm 
Online
Prime Minister

Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 11:18 am
Posts: 12043
Has thanked: 23493 times
Been thanked: 20335 times
I've not had any election leaflets but I know people who have, and the Labour one (the "It's not about Europe" one) is being delivered folded in with other (commercial) leaflets - eg "UberEats". Classy.


Edited - typo


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2019 8:58 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 6:27 pm
Posts: 7415
Has thanked: 2461 times
Been thanked: 12009 times
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
OK HindleA are you ready for this?

Aaaargh


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 75 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: gilsey, PorFavor, refitman, RogerOThornhill and 41 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group